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Re: Lack of progress
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@tommysammy

i can agree with you tommy

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Re: Lack of progress
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look, my AmigaOne is more than 10 years old and was nearly dead recently until a fellow Amigan gave life back to her (thx Crisot !).

there is no way I am gonna buy an X-1000 or any of the followers if the OS is not complete.
I was an "earlybird" for the AmigaOne so I know how it feels to have everything in alpha/beta stage and have to rely on Linux (Debian) to wait until a stable system is available.
I will not invest my money until something real and bulletproof comes.

I am and remain a loyal AmigaOS4 user (even bought recently the classic version for my A1200PPC to support the cause) but waiting several years and still for something announced as on test or in final stage will one day make me switch to another side/system !

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@Lio

Whats needed before you upgrade? The os is very stable.

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Progress seems glacial i was hopin for 4.2 in 2012 and now it s summer 2014 already!

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Ah that's love right there guys! I mean if we didn't care about our favourite OS I suppose we wouldn't be here at all & I don't know about you but life without my daily dose of AmigaOS just wouldn't feel quite right

Now back to getting this damn mediator board to work in my 1200 tower arghhghg ...love/ hate relationship with my 1200T right now eh

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@Lio

The OS is very stable these days.
In the past they were working on the core OS, now it's the drivers that aren't quite complete, but the X1000 is fully functional with its Ethernet card until then.

The situation these days is nothing like how it was for the Earlybird offer (I used it too... I had to run Linux on my a1 require a while waiting for OS4 to be released!)

The X1000 is fully functional in the state in which it ships, it just doesn't support both cores yet... but it works excellently as it is.

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@Spirantho

Whilst I really enjoy my X1000, I must disagree with your comment about it being fully functional.

I accept that it is stable and works as an AmigaOne, but it is not fully functional as an X1000

The onboard ethernet does not work.
Half of the CPU power is unused.
Xena/Xorro sits there doing nothing.

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I bought Sam 440 ep Flex, because I know myself. With Sam 460 or X1000 I would be one of "whiners". I wanted to have Amiga wich is fully functional and supported.

Slow development is because of small number of developers, only way to get more developers would be have more users.

Only way to get more users with in current "political situation" would be produce large number Amiga OS4 capable mother bords with acceptable specs 10 000 - > to get price low. Something like 199€ mobo with OS or 250€ computer with OS.

Ofcourse it wouldn't be busines to anyone, at least in that time, but maybe latter.

Good point is that those mobos would sell years, not just a months like in PC busines.

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@utri007
Again a new hardware and a new project.

Good idea

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@Lio

Agree, I was in exactly the same position as you. My ageing A1XE got to the stage where it was no longer worth the time and money I was putting into trying to keep it running, after many wasted weekends and £100s of replacement cards, RAM etc. it started being very flaky and crashing all the time, but it's an old, buggy board by design.

I looked at my options, a Sam 440 would have felt like a downgrade, but 460 and X1000 were too unsupported for my taste and not to mention their high prices was too hard to justify. So in the end I migrated all my data to a Mac Mini G4 and moved over to MorphOS, where the rate of development seems to absolutely fly in comparison (from 3.0 to 3.6 in a year) and the devs seem a lot more open and friendly.

As a former Os4 user I do keep an eye on it still, if they ever release a PPC Mac port, I'd certainly look at dual-booting it (not that it's ever likely to happen), but the current high-price, low-support and slow rate is too off-putting for me sadly.

As for Timberwolf, I think that boat has already sailed. In the general computing world, Firefox is now old news, the world has moved to Chrome and Webkit, which luckily we have in the form of Odyssey anyway. Firefox would have been cool in 2005-2009 but it's old-hat now.

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@danwood_uk

LoL that picture is a joke! No browser has 100% market share in any territory. The differences in some areas are as little as a fraction of a percent.

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@ddni

The X1000 IS fully functional. AmigaOS4 doesn't support one core, but the machine is perfectly working (Linux supports it) - it's just the AmigaOS support isn't ready yet. But that doesn't stop the machine working in any way shape or form.

Xena/Xorro does plenty if you tell it to. You can't say that the fact that there's no publically available uses for it yet means it's not functional, surely? It's functional if you want to use it.

The X1000 is shipped with a perfectly working ethernet card. That card is part of the system until the onboard is working.

The machine IS fully functional, it's just that OS4 can't use one of the cores, but that doesn't cause any problems at all. You can still use the machine perfectly without instability.

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I looked at my options, a Sam 440 would have felt like a downgrade, but 460 and X1000 were too unsupported for my taste and not to mention their high prices was too hard to justify. So in the end I migrated all my data to a Mac Mini G4 and moved over to MorphOS, where the rate of development seems to absolutely fly in comparison (from 3.0 to 3.6 in a year) and the devs seem a lot more open and friendly.


I guess that one of the downsides of shifting from formal updates to smaller updates via AmiUpdate is the perception that little is happening. In reality, users have received a sizable number of updates, as can be seen in the updates list.

NOTE: This doesn't actually list every single update. Some items on that list have been updated multiple times since AmigaOS 4.1 update 6.

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@Spirantho
I agree with you.
For clarity, my X1000 only runs AmigaOS and was bought as a complete AmigaOS system. With this in mind, the OS does not fully utilise the HW.

@Hans
You make a valid point. Updates do occur regularly and I suspect all users value welcome these. What is sadly missing is visibility on the headline commitments made for AmigaOS 4.2.

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@ddni

The picture is from wikipedia, it's dominant browser by country, Chrome rules the world. Firefox is in freefall, 31% to 18% share in 4 years, Chrome is now at 45.60% global share.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

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@danwood_uk

Interesting. Thanks.
Of course the firefox decline will be reversed once Timberwolf for AmigaOS is finished...

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@Hans

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In reality, users have received a sizable number of updates

Very true. There were five new updates in the past week.

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Spirantho wrote: The OS is very stable these days. In the past they were working on the core OS, now it's the drivers that aren't quite complete, but the X1000 is fully functional with its Ethernet card until then. The situation these days is nothing like how it was for the Earlybird offer (I used it too... I had to run Linux on my a1 require a while waiting for OS4 to be released!) The X1000 is fully functional in the state in which it ships, it just doesn't support both cores yet... but it works excellently as it is.


no doubt & very true, very big difference in general OS stability, especially in terms of USB, compared to when i bought my first OS4.1 machine in 2009 (Samflex@800) and today with my X1000

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@ssolie
Thank you to have uploaded the 4-5 today AmiUpdates.

(even if it was not some major updates, it's nice to see that OS is moving)

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I fail to see how this topic is really helping anyone.
While I understand how this topic actually came about, it is probably having the reverse effect.

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