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Re: New to Sam460ex
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@3VILC

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As an aside, I worked out it won't boot USB with a keyboard plugged in, so by a combination of QEMU and booting without a keyboard I have at least managed to get an OS installed and booting from the onboard SATA

Great that you've got it up and running.

USB devices can be a bit hit or miss with OS4 machines in general. I've never tried booting off USB (I installed the OS using the DVD drive).

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Re: Kiwis: Chance to buy rare AmigaOS 4.1 machines
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@joerg

If it doesn't sell on TradeMe (unlikely), then I'll consider putting it on ebay so that people in other countries can buy.

I'm not so keen to ship internationally, because it increases the risk of damage. It would be the buyer's risk.

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Re: Kiwis: Chance to buy rare AmigaOS 4.1 machines
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@ddni

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ddni wrote:Sad but understandable. Have you stopped development?


I'm still working on stuff for A-EON, but my own projects have been side-lined for now. It's a little annoying to put them aside after I get my Raylib + Dear ImGui template up and running, but it's necessary. See here for more.

I still have an A1-X5000 & A1222. I'm only selling the machines that are too far away for me to use.

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Re: Kiwis: Chance to buy rare AmigaOS 4.1 machines
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Ugh! This forum doesn't get shown on the front page, so the chance of anyone seeing it is low...

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Kiwis: Chance to buy rare AmigaOS 4.1 machines
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I've decided to let go of my machines in NZ, because I'm out of the country for the foreseeable future, and they're sitting idle.

Both machines have been instrumental in the development of the Radeon HD and RX drivers, both 2D and 3D (yes, including Warp3D Nova). They were my development machines until I moved.

Here are direct links to the listings:
- Sam460ex
- AmigaOne X1000 - First Contact Edition

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Kiwis: Chance to buy rare AmigaOS 4.1 machines
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I've decided to let go of my machines in NZ, because I'm out of the country for the foreseeable future, and they're sitting idle.

Both machines have been instrumental in the development of the Radeon HD and RX drivers, both 2D and 3D (yes, including Warp3D Nova). They were my development machines until I moved.

Here are direct links to the listings:
- Sam460ex
- AmigaOne X1000 - First Contact Edition

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Re: Touchscreen HID driver & QEMU's USB Tablet device
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@AlfredOne

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Hello,
I'm resurrecting this thread just to let you know that with the Update 3 of OS4.1 Final Edition, QEMU's USB Tablet device should work properly. Therefore, the hidtablet.usbfd driver I attached in this thread is no longer needed.

Ooh! So the updated HID driver made it into the update. Nice!

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Re: Would you pre-order Enhancer Software 2.3 to get Virtio-GPU ?
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@n3m3

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Okay so both will be needed in order to play 3d games and run 3d apps within QEMU then?

Yes.

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Are both expected by Christmas 2025?

I'm not sure if I can get the Warp3D Nova driver done by then.

@Mlehto
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How these drivers are implemented, does it use any host-supported card or do you need Amiga-supported card ?

It can use any host supported card. The driver works by sending graphics commands to the host system's graphics drivers.

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Re: Would you pre-order Enhancer Software 2.3 to get Virtio-GPU ?
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@n3m3

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So with this driver will we be able to play 3d games?

No. The VirtioGPU.driver is 2D only. You'll need Warp3D Nova drivers as well. I'm working on that...

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Re: Where is AmigaOS 4.1 still available
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@AmigaOldskooler

Thanks. That's useful.

@all

A few quick clarifications:
1. I'm considering selling the Sam460 and A1-X1000 because I'm not using them. They're thousands of kilometers away, and have been idle for years now. The machines that I have in my home office aren't going anywhere
2. Like joerg said, I don't need OS4 licenses because I'm part of the OS 4 dev team. The A1-X1000 should have a licensed copy of OS4, but the Sam460 doesn't. A new owner of the Sam460 would have to buy their own license, which is why I want to make sure that this is possible. Hence this thread

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Re: Introducing Gabrielle - Xena's companion
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@jaokim

That's a nice surprise. I always hoped that someone would do something useful with Xena. It looks like it Gabrielle makes it easier to experiment with it.

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Re: Where is AmigaOS 4.1 still available
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@Tuvok

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Maybe wait for AmigaOS 4.2 to be released.

No. That could be years off. Meanwhile, my machines would be gathering even more dust...

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Re: Where is AmigaOS 4.1 still available
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@Tuvok

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Is it really AmigaOS 4.1 you are looking for of 4.1 FE?

Whatever the latest version is.

I personally don't need to buy the OS, because I'm one of the OS4 developers. But, I'm considering selling one or two of my machines, and the buyer would have to get their own copy of the OS.

The reason I'm considering selling them, is that they're in NZ while I'm in Malaysia. So they're doing nothing but gathering dust. If I sold them, then they'd actually get switched on..

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Where is AmigaOS 4.1 still available
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I was having a look at AmigaOS 4.1 availability, and it seems to be "out-of-stock" everywhere that I looked. Even ACube has no stock of AmigaOS 4.1 on the Sam 460 Only the digital download versions (Pegasos II and classic) are still readily available.

So is AmigaOS 4.1 for other platforms basically not available right now? Or did I miss something?

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Re: Kyvos was updated
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@white

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Basically, you still need a real GPU to use Virtio-GPU, if I understand correctly

Yes. The VirtioGPU graphics commands are piped through the host OS' drivers, so you can use any graphics card that's supported by the host system.


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I hope audio is included somehow
Unfortunately, as you well know, the audio in the drivers you wrote yourself isn't included in the HDMI.

The virtio GPU specification doesn't include an audio block. There is a virtio audio specification, but that's a totally different drier.

I haven't written any audio drivers. We were going to use Geennaam's HD audio driver, but discovered that the RadeonHD/RX driver would have to be rewritten to use AMD's new (very big) display module. HDMI audio support is incomplete in the original framebuffer driver code, and so doesn't work.

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Re: My experience jumping from SAM460LE to X5040.
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@Maijestro

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I don't want to take away your illusion of multicore support, but it's not just the kernel that has to provide this.

All the software we already use under AmigaOS 4.1 has to be multithreading-capable, and I don't think this is the case.

Not quite. Even single threaded programs can benefit from SMP, because tasks from other apps are running on different cores. Let's say you're running a video player, email client and web-browser at once. Even if all of them were single threaded (which they almost certainly aren't), they'd still get to run on one core each on a machine with more than 3 cores.

When running one app, you still get the benefit of multi-threaded drivers an OS processes being able to run on other cores.

So the overall performance is still higher... until the apps hit an external bottleneck such all trying to access shared but slow hard-drive.

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Re: Kyvos was updated
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@white

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We're talking about emulation, and virtio-gpu is an emulation. What's the point of doing it?

Nitpicking here. The correct term for VirtioGPU is "virtual hardware." You can't emulate hardware that doesn't exist.

The point is to give virtual machines a better way to share the host GPU with the host OS.

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Re: A new Odyssey is in development
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@tao

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What's the connection you're drawing between the CPU and JavaScript? I'm confused. CPU's/SOC's fold in new features periodically (cryptography, AI ?) but I didn't think anything JavaScript-related was among them.

The WebKit browser engine (and Chromium and Firefox too) have Javascript JIT compilers written for x86/x64 and ARM CPUs. So if we switched to x64 or ARM then we'd be able to use the ready-made JIT.

If we want the Javascript JIT compiler for PowerPC,** then we'd need someone to write and maintain that code.

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** And we DO want the JIT compiler, because it boosts the performance of Javascript code. Modern websites tend to be Javascript heavy...

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Re: A new Odyssey is in development
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@afxgroup

So it's not PowerPC per-se, but a lot of missing software functionality. Switching CPU architectures would get us Javascript JIT, but wouldn't magically solve things like disk and networking performance, or hardware accelerated rendering (which is available, but nobody has written the code for webkit to use it).

@LiveForIt

If you keep moving the goalposts on what "we need to have first," then we'll never get there...

I cover OS modernisation in the Kea Campus "Saving AmigaOS" series that I mentioned earlier.

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Re: A new Odyssey is in development
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@nubechecorre

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Web Browsers are huge task to accomplish even for big teams so it wouldn't surprise me if this will never happen on amiga os4.. But I am honest with you.. I still have faith in IBrowse!

Start a movement called "The Simpler Web Project," where we dump a lot of bloat from the browser specifications to create a much simpler standard. I think that most if not all websites could work well with a fraction of what is currently part of the modern web platform standard.

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Polls
Running AmigaOS 4 on?
AmigaOne SE/XE or microA1 12% (26)
Pegasos2 3% (8)
X5000 22% (48)
X1000 14% (30)
A1222 8% (19)
Sam 440/460 18% (40)
Classic PowerPC Amiga 2% (6)
WinUAE emulation 7% (16)
Qemu emulation 9% (21)
Total Votes: 214
The poll closed at 2025/12/1 12:00
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