You've often stated it's too much work to make OWB into a proper browser, but you've done some amazing things since then.. So I'm wondering, do you think it'll be possible to add a disk cache in future? so that images don't have to be re-downloaded in full every time you hit back on your browser for instance? it seems like an awful waste of bandwidth and traffic.
Secondly.. any chance of "built in" bookmarking? :)
You've often stated it's too much work to make OWB into a proper browser, but you've done some amazing things since then..
Only because most of the AmigaOS 4.x parts I've implemented so far only required porting already existing parts of OWB to AmigaOS 4.x. Implementing new features which don't exist in OWB yet is much more work and will take much longer. It will take me at least 5 years to implement an usable browser around the OWB WebKit engine.
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So I'm wondering, do you think it'll be possible to add a disk cache in future?
Maybe in 2-3 years when all more important features are implemented.
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so that images don't have to be re-downloaded in full every time you hit back on your browser for instance? it seems like an awful waste of bandwidth and traffic.
OWB doesn't have a disk cache, but it has a memory cache and doesn't reload the images. Unless the images have headers wich require reloading them, but for such images it's of course the same with a disk cache. If you want to have a disk cache you can use a caching proxy, for example Apache (the AmigaOS 3.x port included the proxy support, I didn't check if the AmigaOS 4.x port does as well, if not there should be some other caching proxies on Aminet).
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Secondly.. any chance of "built in" bookmarking? :)
Porting George Sokianos' bookmark which was used in OWB Blastoise (libowbbookmark.so) to OWB Galekid would be no big problem, but a lot of people didn't like it ... Before implementing a new one from scratch I'll try implementing support for up- and downloads, tabs and better cookie handling, which may take some months.
I wasnt aware there was a memory cache. That's adequate for me. :)
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Porting George Sokianos' bookmark which was used in OWB Blastoise (libowbbookmark.so) to OWB Galekid would be no big problem, but a lot of people didn't like it ... Before implementing a new one from scratch I'll try implementing support for up- and downloads, tabs and better cookie handling, which may take some months.
Cool. :) how are these features coming along anyway?
You've often stated it's too much work to make OWB into a proper browser, but you've done some amazing things since then..
Only because most of the AmigaOS 4.x parts I've implemented so far only required porting already existing parts of OWB to AmigaOS 4.x. Implementing new features which don't exist in OWB yet is much more work and will take much longer. It will take me at least 5 years to implement an usable browser around the OWB WebKit engine.
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So I'm wondering, do you think it'll be possible to add a disk cache in future?
Maybe in 2-3 years when all more important features are implemented.
IIRC you are still working on that port on your own? Not that i want to force you to rush things (how could i?), but as you state OWB being such a big task, why not look for someone to help you? Even if the person in question will only be assigned to certain tasks whereas you keep the overall power over OWB development?
You could for example open a task list on OpenAmiga.org and assign certain things to people interested? (Or join forces with another devs?)
Just an idea (copy&pasting this from YAM, where it seems to work pretty well)
Thanks for all the work on OWB
Edited by Raziel on 2008/12/29 22:51:40
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Porting George Sokianos' bookmark which was used in OWB Blastoise (libowbbookmark.so) to OWB Galekid would be no big problem, but a lot of people didn't like it ...
This bookmark was perfect for me, why reinventing the wheel?
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Porting George Sokianos' bookmark which was used in OWB Blastoise (libowbbookmark.so) to OWB Galekid would be no big problem, but a lot of people didn't like it ...
This bookmark was perfect for me, why reinventing the wheel?
I agree. I found it fine. It could always be disabled with a tooltype in which case one of the external options could still be used. Anyway I would have thought that the general consensus of opinion is that up/downloads is the most needed feature. External bookmarks are fine for now internal ones can wait till later.
Porting George Sokianos' bookmark which was used in OWB Blastoise (libowbbookmark.so) to OWB Galekid would be no big problem, but a lot of people didn't like it ... Before implementing a new one from scratch I'll try implementing support for up- and downloads, tabs and better cookie handling, which may take some months.
Cool. :) how are these features coming along anyway?
Next to nothing at all yet (except for beeing able to crash OWB even in unrelated parts if enable some small download parts I have just for checking what else it would need ). I'll probably add support for tabs first since that doesn't need changes and/or new features in OWB/WebKit parts, only in the AmigaOS 4.x GUI parts.
IIRC you are still working on that port on your own?
Yes.
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Not that i want to force you to rush things (how could i?), but as you state OWB being such a big task, why not look for someone to help you? Even if the person in question will only be assigned to certain tasks whereas you keep the overall power over OWB development?
You could for example open a task list on OpenAmiga.org and assign certain things to people interested? (Or join forces with another devs?)
The first task would be to add support for the AmigaOS 4.x parts in the CMake files to be able to build the AmigaOS 4.x OWB at least with a cross-compiler on an Unix system (building it on AmigaOS itself is impossible: No CMake port, missing features in perl, etc.), as long as nobody else can build the AmigaOS 4.x OWB for testing changes there isn't much others could do ...
I'm a ?A1 OS 4.1 user and have just tried OWB for the first time. Many thanks to Joerg for this browser. Despite it's OWB's current limitations, I am able to acccess sites that are impossible to use with IBrowse or AWeb. The only problem I have noticed so far is that the URL at the top is usually not updated to match the displayed page when I use the forward and back tools at the top of the browser. Maybe this is a feature, I don't know.
Since people have been commenting on the bookmarks, I'll add my 2 cents on the subject. Since I still need IBrowse or AWeb for some functions, I run all three browsers on one screen. I have set the OWB home directory to my ibrowse-hotlist.html file and am using a shared hotlist. OWB doesn't seem to recognize Amiga style paths ( with a colon ":" ) so my home URL looks like this: HOME=file:///Work/IBrowse/ibrowse-hotlist.html Work is the volume and the rest of the path is standard. I have to manage my hotlist from IBrowse, but that's not a problem for me. I just need to figure out a way to add links from OWB. I think it's convenient not to have to maintain 2 seperate sets of bookmarks.
I was going to try the OWBBook system but the Book2OWB utility chops my IBrowse hotlist in half when I try to convert it. It stops when it encounters a group that has no URLs in the IBrowse bookmark menu. The entry looks like this: <LI IBHLFLAGS="NOMENU"><B>Services</B><UL>. If the author is monitoring this forum, he might want to take a look at this.
The readme states that OWB has an ARexx port and I would like to use it with openurl.library but I can't find a list of ARexx commands that it recognizes. Does anyone else have OWB set up in OpenURL prefs and how did you get it to work? I need the ARexx commands to use if OWB is already open.
As far as downloading goes, I would like to suggest something like popupmenu.library with a menu that has items for D/L files, images and copying URLs like IBrowse. If you use MIME to determine when to D/L files instead of displaying them, you will need a complicated MIME prefs program (window) because some sites always use incorrect MIME types. That might be fine as a long term improvement but I think a popup menu that lets the user decide to D/L a file or image would be easier to implement as an imterim solution.
The readme states that OWB has an ARexx port and I would like to use it with openurl.library but I can't find a list of ARexx commands that it recognizes. Does anyone else have OWB set up in OpenURL prefs and how did you get it to work? I need the ARexx commands to use if OWB is already open.
the readme has the arexx command spread over it. these two commands i use in openurl:
SCREENTOFRONT (for "Show" and "To Front") OPENURL %u (for "Open URL" and "New Window")
The readme states that OWB has an ARexx port and I would like to use it with openurl.library but I can't find a list of ARexx commands that it recognizes. Does anyone else have OWB set up in OpenURL prefs and how did you get it to work? I need the ARexx commands to use if OWB is already open.
the readme has the arexx command spread over it. these two commands i use in openurl:
SCREENTOFRONT (for "Show" and "To Front") OPENURL (for "Open URL" and "New Window")
and well, it sometimes works
The readme that came with the OS4Depot OWB 3.1 archive does not contain the words "SCREENTOFRONT" or "OPENURL". It lists TOOLTYPES but not ARexx commands. There appears to be more than one version of OWB. What is the difference? Should I be using the "Blastoise" version instead of the "GaleKid" version I downloaded?
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I bet he could fix this bug in a few minutes, if he knew about it.