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Re: AbandonMI2 - Another Abandon Icon Set for AmigaOS4
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@Amigo1

The idea was to have a lighter design for OS 4.2 which does not fit with the icons you will find in the archive. Another point was that the icons take to long to load and scale on older Amigas.

Since more or less five years I am working on a new icon set featuring a more leaner and cleaner design. The key elements and philosophy of this icon set were already used for the OS 3.14 glowicons.

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Re: AbandonMI2 - Another Abandon Icon Set for AmigaOS4
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@trixie

The original plan was to use them for OS 4.2 which was abandon five years ago in favour of another design.

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AbandonMI2 - Another Abandon Icon Set for AmigaOS4
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I have released another uncontinued icon set for AmigaOS4 with 256x256 icons onOS4Depot.net.
And all that could have been...

Download (382 MB)
Preview

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Re: More logos wanted!
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Provided three banners.
Hope you like them ;)


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Re: AISS install script somehow trashed my SYS:System directory :-(
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@Severin

This is indeed very interesting!
How fast is it?

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Re: AISS install script somehow trashed my SYS:System directory :-(
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@LiveForIt
Looks like there is something wrong in your startup environment and the assign for TBImages: is missing.

The latest version of AISS should also be available as a contribution on the install CD.


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Re: A-EON: AmigaONE X5000 Revealed
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@eliyahu

I like this naming scheme!
Well done!

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Re: About Icons, automated Effects and why it will never work
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orgin wrote:
@Mason

And you sound like a obstinate graphics fanatic that want to keep a monopoly for his own personal reasons at all costs even if it means keeping an archaic system that at best belongs in the 1990's.

I'm sorry if that offends you, but what you just wrote read out just like that. Perhaps you'd like to rephrase?


Sorry, but I won't tolerate that kind of insults neither from you or anybody else! I tried to share my doubts and discuss them in a civilised way, but it might be better to stop my engagement in this topic here at that point.


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Re: About Icons, automated Effects and why it will never work
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Wanderer wrote:

From a programmers point of view, any effect that is pure post processing without manual interference should be left out. This are e.g. the guidelines for Android and iOS icons, so the OS can decide if a shine effect is added or not. On iOS, even the entire shape (the round corners) is procedural.


I checked my Android devices and none of them seems to have such a feature for icons. Also the UI style guide don't describe such a feature, but maybe I just missed it: Link

I did the icons for some iOS apps and have to say that the emblem icon attempt is in no way comparable to the generic buttons of iOS. It is a quite different attempt as a button frame is given to provide an universal look of the icons, while the images itself is not really involved.

BTW For me something like this would better fit for AmigaOS!

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Re: About Icons, automated Effects and why it will never work
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orgin wrote:
@Slash

There's nothing wrong with mason's work.

Holding back stuff like global settings for selected image effects and icon emblems just to satisfy his need for perfection however is as wrong as it can be.

Streamlining theming and reducing the work needed to create icon themes will benefit the platform. Holding back stuff like this will not.


Sounds to me like "Ok, the icons look bad now, but we have a great system running in the background to generate them."

Maybe I am overestimating the influence of the icons to the overall look and feel of AmigaOS4, but imho this attempt would definitely be a step backward.

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Re: About Icons, automated Effects and why it will never work
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djrikki wrote:
I love Mason's icons and don't find them 'Cheesy' at all.

In fact I wish it was possible to just press one button and Masonify ever single icon aka bringing about an easy way to change between 'icon sets'.


It is not that easy for sure, because it is not that simple to replace an icon as it also contents the tooltype information. Ken sent me a script for the replacement of the icons but there was some little issue (I can't remember what exactly it was) that unfortunately hold me from using it.

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Re: About Icons, automated Effects and why it will never work
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Wanderer wrote:
I do have great respect for your artwork, and I know the claim for perfection as a part of me is an artist as well.

You're welcome!

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But let me put it this way:

Take 10 random people from the street and show them 1) vs. 2).
probably 8 will not notice any difference. One will notice a difference and will find them equally beautiful. And one, maybe, will like 1) better if you explain at what detail he has to look at.

I even expect that maybe 9 of 10 people will not notice a difference a first glance. But when several icons are selected 9 of 10 people will recognise that "something" is wrong. IIRC this is in some kind based on the interaction of the equilibrium sense and the eye. That does not mean we will all fall from the chair if the glow effect is wrong, but your senses will at least recognise it.

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I am not saying that 2) is better than 1). Of course is 1) better, but is this

a) worth the time
b) worth 2x memory requirements and loading time
c) worth to hardcode the glow effect and loosing the posibility to configure

a) Adding the glow effect is the same effort as adding a drop shadow. Therefore time should not ne an issue as it is usually done in a view seconds.
b) Counter question: Is it worth to generate an effect on the fly with much more CPU or GPU usage and therefore energy consumption than just displaying an image? Anyway, in times of Gigabyte and Terabyte this shouldn't be an valid issue.
c) Again a counter question: Is it worth to have a more configurable system when the quality of the result is worse than before? I think not!

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BTW, I like the glow effect. But 99% of the time icons are displayed in the normal state. So glow yes, but does it need to be that highly optimized?

I at least think so! ;)

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BTW2: If you like perfection, I noticed that your glow effect does not take into account that the Shadow ist actually behind the glow. Look at the bottom of the icon, you see the shadow darkening the glow. My implementation in Imageconverter takes this into account give me the PNG with alpha channel, and I can show you what I mean.

I understand what you mean!
From a physical point of view the shadow should get wider based on the new lightning source.
From an artists point it looks not good...

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Also, it would be nice if the glow "overglows", means goes over 100% when close to the icon outline and gets from yellow to white. The OS3.9 icons do that, IIRC.
Another nice feature in my implementation is that the glow also affects the inside of the outline a little bit. That adds a lot more lifelyness and "heat" to the glow, similar to what the what the glow on the arrow does in 1).

Here we are! This is exactly the contrary opinion than Spots. As the actual effect is more or less just between both suggestions it is absolutely perfect... ;)

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Re: About Icons, automated Effects and why it will never work
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Hi Spot,

first of all sorry that I am a little behind with my answers. Please don't feel excluded!

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spotUP wrote:
Mason it would work just perfectly if the whole cheesy glow thing was dumped.

IMHO the glow effect is an emblem of Amiga as the Boing Ball, the Workbench and therefore we should keep him.

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If the glow is to be kept, i'd make it less yellow and way more discrete.

As you might expect, I also received complaints that the glow effect has to be more extensive.

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As it is now it looks very unrealistic.
Why would a drawer glow anyway?

Counter question: Why should a drawer or folder darken, like on other operating systems. Or why should something get bigger when a pointer moves over?
I would say it is an artists expression...

... and yes, I for sure know "something" that is getting bigger when "something" is moved over, but then usually no pointer, but woman in involved.
Ok, I go and wash my mouth ;)

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The icons looks nice apart from this imo.

Dump the glow and just change the color intensity a bit in stage two.

These are just my opinions, not meant to offend. You're doing a nice job on the icons!

Thanks! No harm taken! I respect everybody's opinion and take them into account. But based on the feedback I received so far it looks like people prefer the glowing as it is.

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Re: About Icons, automated Effects and why it will never work
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orgin wrote:
@trixie

WAR WAR WAR WAR!


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The real secret of the Minions: The Glow Effect!

GLOW GLOW GLOW GLOW GLOW !

It took me about two hours to create this little creature!
I can do hundreds, thousands or more to support my war!


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Re: About Icons, automated Effects and why it will never work
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broadblues wrote:

@mason

I thouroughly agree with your sentiments re automated glow.

I really must put a require for images / icons together to send you for sketchblock sometime! (When you yourself have time to make some).


The icons for Sketchblock are already done! In fact it was one of the first new 3rd-party icon sets I did, because Sketchblock is from my point of view one of the most interesting active projects.

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Re: Beta testing
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In every Qt screenshot I notice that the font of the UI is to big compared to the font used in the window title.

Is Qt optimized for short sighted people or is it possible to adjust it in some kind of Prefs?

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Re: About Icons, automated Effects and why it will never work
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eliyahu wrote:
@Mason

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Creating a third party solution is one thing - the support for it is another. A new icon system is nothing without a solid baseline of icons. Just for the record: For the next release I have prepared 800 + new icons for all kind of 3rd party programs.

Many nice and interesting ideas where brought up recently, but what I really miss is at least the attempt to think them through until the end and weight the impact on other components of the system at all.

your work is a very big factor in my using AOS4. the icons are gorgeous, consistent, and well-executed. i like the current icon system and would hope any major changes would be thought through very diligently by you and others responsible for the look-and-feel of the OS.

-- eliyahu


First of all, thanks for the nice words! The evolution of the icon system is a very slow and sensitive process, because the intuitive recognition of the icon is one of the main point when it comes to icon design.

To make a long story short: There will be no drastic or evolutionary changes in the expression of the icons. They will be just a little bigger... ;)

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Re: About Icons, automated Effects and why it will never work
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Actually the current icons in AmigaOS 4.1 mantain their border, this is mostly visible when they are overlapped, I wondering if it will be possible to make them really transparent also when they will be overlapped in order to "hide" this not so cool effect


I also noticed this, but I have no clue what forces this behaviour. Maybe it is an attempt by the devs to teach the users to always clean up and snapshot the filer before closing the window. ;)

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Re: About Icons, automated Effects and why it will never work
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by Raziel on 2013/8/6 14:56:44
Thanks for the insight, i do believe though, that people will come up with a third party solution and yet another icon format to gain just that (hacks probably, but you can't just tell the people to stop, now can you?)

Why would we want to waste time and energy to polish the bells when there are so much more whistles to create?

Please share a sneak peak to your new icon set, Mason...pliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiise


Creating a third party solution is one thing - the support for it is another. A new icon system is nothing without a solid baseline of icons. Just for the record: For the next release I have prepared 800 + new icons for all kind of 3rd party programs.

Many nice and interesting ideas where brought up recently, but what I really miss is at least the attempt to think them through until the end and weight the impact on other components of the system at all.

AmigaOS is not AROS where everybody could contribute whatever he thinks is a great idea!

It is a little bit to early for previews, as the icon set was not released to the beta tester to get some feedback. Therefore the only feedback I received so far is between "Nice, but it is worth to waste that much time in front of your computer? Better go out and play with the kid!" and "Wow Daddy, cool! Now you can do a Lego Ninjago icon set for me!".


Edited by Mason on 2013/8/6 14:35:24
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About Icons, automated Effects and why it will never work
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With respect to the thread on AW regarding the use of automated effects on icons I would like to share my Point of view.

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I choose the Installer icon to display the problems:

1) The Installer icon how it currently looks. Please note the fading glow effect on the arrow.

2) Remove the glow effect of the arrow and just add the effect to the contour of the object leads to an undynamic and unrealistic Icon. FAIL!

3)Cutting the effect on the edges of the hard drive looks fine if the effect is the same, but leads to an ugly icon, when this effect is different. FAIL!

4) Blank Areas for the effect looks looks good at a first glanze, but lead to transparent Areas due to the calculation of the glow effect. It is also unuseable if the user chooses no effect and it is much more work to gernerate this icons.

5) Using Emblem icons looks also very promising, but the effect could only be used very static which leads to an unrealistic looking icon.

Just my 2,5 Cents. ;)

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