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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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I will be interested to see if a port of the latest Qt will be done so we can have the most up to date ports of Qt based software. QtWeb is interesting I hope the latest version is faster and more optimised with a full internet experience?

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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@smf

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I have started to suspect that the sources might be stolen and can't be shared because of that and i wouldn't mind to be proved wrong on that.


Er, i beg your pardon? First this is very rude, and then, where and to whom could i have stolen mediaplayer sources for a web browser running on MorphOS, exactly? Stealing myself In a parallel universe where i would already have written it? Or in the future, maybe? Be serious please.

Just FYI there's no other implementation of a working HTML5 audio/video player on any amigaos-like, except for TimberWolf (if one can call that working, of course, because watching 1fps videos isn't very enjoyable IMO).

The media players implementations in the other main browsers are either already opensource:
- Firefox (unusable crap).
- Chrome (relies heavily on Chrome framework). Faster to rewrite your own player.
- gstreamer for webkit gtk (way too bloated). Ditto.

or closed:
- apple quicktime framework for webkit mac build
- windows media thing for webkit win build

So as you can see, there's really nothing to "steal"...

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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Any further discussion about "stealing" in this thread will be moderated.

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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We should really accept the fact that someone does not want to share their own work. Or that he/she requires an adequate amount of money for it. There is no conspiracy in that, really. Fab is an excellent programmer whose work gives MorphOS tremendous value and competitive edge: he would be plain crazy if he just gave that all away for nothing.


Edited by orgin on 2013/10/8 13:49:54
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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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@broadblues

I dont know mate i continue have dsi i did the assign that you suggested and i raised the stack but nothing ...

on my 460 timberwolf run and is pretty faster but i think on pegasos will be better but i dont understand why it crash ...

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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the problem about Timberwolf is not the money. The problem is that the work is not finished.. The Friedens should finish what they started... that's all..

Timberwolf is lighter that OWB or QT Web, I remembered how the first old beta worked faster than the actual one and that version rendered the page more times due to the fact it has debug and more things..

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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umm yes fab is the exta value of the mos team... like Mark and Frank and daddy Ralph (all genius), but i continue prefer Amiga OS 4
I left the scene for 10 years and with OS4.1 i found the AmigaOS that i know.
Morphos for me is totally another thing like MacOsX,Linux ecc. it is good , it work but i have the feeling it is another thing compared with amiga os that i enjoyed in the past ages
i have it register it is working and fab programs run extremly fast like Mark porting too.
But i Love AmigaOs4 sorry guys im a puritan and a nostalgic :P

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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@nubechecorre

who speak about money?

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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I really hope the new development team achieve quick results for Timberwolf.

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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I really hope team will fix some TW4 bugs so we can use it as its best of what we have now.

In long term, it would be great thing to have FF20+ ported - completely new Timberwolf. Computer without good browser is like woman with no tits, or tits with no woman

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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Raise a bounty with about 5k euros, and i'll consider opening html media support. :)

Please open an official bounty and I ll donate 20 euros per month. Find 50 such personas and you will have it in 3 months. If it can be ported to AROS too.

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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So if you ask me, its all unrealistic, and better collect 5k for fab. That for sure more realistic and more faster way to have html5 working in odyssey in os4.

Or, again, find out someone who will wrote html5 media player from scratch. If we still have anyone with free time and ability to do so (i doubt). For any real work from real coders, there should be some cash involved. With labor of love there only ports and all those simple apps can be done (with few exceptions, of course).


Yes, no one can say when we will have full TW or OS 4.2. How much that additional work, if possible for AROS too, so AROS folk could do it and it could be hosted on POwer2People (like pretty sucessful Dopus one) and most important, would you do it? If money is collected in 3 months, how much time do you think it will take to port it to OS4 and then to AROS?

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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@all

Excuse me with a simple question,

why html5 support is too much vital ?

Just to watch YouTube videos ?


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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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@zzd10h

It's a matter of preference. Personally I never knew why a browser should have any animation or video.

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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Just to watch YouTube videos ?


Of course not, but youtube is too, as well. Bunch of sites now use html5 in all of their parts. While Flash was kind of sucky idea and we can skip it right now and never worry anymore about, html5 is good and will be used everywhere soon or later. Skipping that mean have half-working browsers. For newbes its very important thing, too.

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Personally I never knew why a browser should have any animation or video.


:) Or what is better: i never knew why we need anything more than just assembler, notepad and shell. Or a car, while we have a legs :)

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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@kas1e

When Alfkil will release Qt5 we will have many html5 browsers 8)

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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We all hope so, but it needs time..
For now into 4.7.0 bugfixing .. then we will see

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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When Alfkil will release Qt5 we will have many html5 browsers 8)


It will need a lot of testing and work from Alfkil to make html5 media plaing works fast and good, with usage of all that compositing and all possible speed ups to make it works fast enough. Its not so easy )

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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I know, but amigans usually made miracles, Alfkil alone do really a great huge job 8)

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Re: AmigaOS and web browsing in 2013
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Quote:
amigans usually made miracles

More precisely: amigans usually spoke of miracles

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