@Primax

This is interesting, I wonder if such a thing would resurface and if something could be made of it or continue to be developed.

@328gts

I agree it would be a game changer in terms of accessibility to AmigaOS 4.1. People who have an Amiga that is upgraded with PiStorm could inexpensively buy a license and install AmigaOS 4.1, unlike the current situation they have to be very blessed to be able to afford an expensive new bit of hardware to experience AmigaOS 4.1 and then to be backwards compatible emulate a real Amiga with UAE. The price of entry is a real barrier to AmigaOS 4.1 and the experience for some can be quite lacklustre considering the investment that has to be made, something like an EmuPPC with PiStorm could really open up the user base to more people.

I could be wrong but I know it's something I and others I know in my Amiga friendship circles would support.

@LiveForIt

I am not interested in the new games, but I am interested in the benefits of a newer, more capable version of AmigaOS such as 4.1 can offer over 3.9 or 3.2. The fact that it would be running on a REAL Amiga offering true backward compatibility is its main attraction with the benefit of experiencing the late death throws of the Amiga as it died venturing into the PPC arena.

The RTG side of things could be better than you might think especially with Pi 4. I have an A1200 with Voodoo 3, another A1200 with a Radeon 9200, and a Pegasos2 with a Radeon 9250. My A1200 with a PiStorm32 lite RTG performance is by far smoother than my 9200 and Voodoo-equipped Amiga 1200s.

I am sure most Amigans are familiar with Emu68 and the PiStorm hardware for classic.

I have an idea I thought might be worth exploring. PPC cards for classic Amiga died with Phase 5 but I think that just like Emu68 emulates 68k on arm maybe the right developer in partnership with Hyperion could make EmuPPC if you will a reality leveraging the PiStorm hardware to revive PPC for classic hardware.

EmuPPC would emulate the PPC and boots AmigaOS 4.1 classic environment on a real Amiga and classic software is run on the real hardware.

Just an idea I had, would something like this even be possible and would the community support such a venture?

I have no coding skills or hardware designing abilities I just thought the idea would make a great discussion and might spark the right people to action.

Maybe the Friedens or Hyperion may take notice (Wishful thinking perhaps)

Hi everyone,

I am currently using an PS5 wireless controller when playing games using RunInUAE, it works great. I can configure it and calibrate the controller using AmigaInput just fine but what I want to know is if there is a way to disable the analogue sticks and just use the Dpad?

I want to do this because some games like Chaos Engine for example the characters do not control well with the analogue sticks.

Is this something that AmigaInputAnywhere can fix or do I need a different solution?

@walkero

Why cant a game like this work on a non warp3Dnova capable AmigaOS 4.1 fe machine like a Pegagsos 2 G4 with a Radeon 9250 Pro?

@AmigaSociety

Yeah I would be happy with a payment system to fund the maintenance of a modern browser preferable Firefox (Timberwolf) not tenfourfox.

@Hans

I think the only way this can work is if the owners of the operating system are backing it, personally I think in modern computing the operating system is dead if you can't surf the internet comprehensively, meeting established standards of the mainstream. I think its in Hyperions interests to be actively supporting/developing a modern browser even if it is maintaining an active port.

If there is a financial component required from the community I think people may come on board if there were some assurances that the Timberwolf debacle doesn't happen again.

To undertake such a task of porting a new browser, updating existing browser options i.e. Timberwolf would require existing capable developers to be unsatisfied with the current available options enough so to want to bring about a resolution to the current problems.

Truth is no developers can be bothered because they are time poor, there is no financial incentive and no one wants the task of maintaining a port once completed.

Despite this it seems Hyperion and A-eon would like to insist that next generation AmigaOS and hardware is viable and insists we should remember when computing was fun? I propose computing is not fun on AmigaOS anymore when you can't browse the internet comprehensively with the existing solutions.

I wonder why the A-Eon Developer team or Hyperion see no value in making a fully functional, up to date modern browser a priority? I mean seriously Timberwolf, what a missed opportunity that was. I know there are detractors in the community about this but the fact is a Firefox port gives opportunity for plugins like no other browsers and the browser has active support in the linux arena. I accept the fact its a large undertaking requiring someone to maintain the port, but if you are going to be a real company releasing an operating system and selling new hardware in 2017 you need a Web Browser that is in parity with whats on offer and available on other platforms.

@BSzili

I guess you miss understood my perspective on what I perceive as being "no solution in sight."

As you pointed out the issue is known but no one has attempted to resolve it. You see, knowing the issue and having an answer/solution are two different things, and that doesn't mean there is an answer at hand, or that it would be easier than starting from scratch.

To be honest I would prefer Firefox be ported than Odyssey but, hey a modern competent browser no matter the solution is desired. However skipping to eat pancakes and reminisce the good ole days is a delicious way to drown our sorrows I guess.

@BSzili

I don't think anyone has declared it impossible but from what I have read on all the forums it is a big task to overcome, hence the lack of an update to Odyssey for quite some time now.

I guess it's why I have asked the question what is the solution to move forward.

@THREAD

So moving forward what is the real solution?

1. Netsurf: seems to be to far behind the current modern browsers and has too few people developing it.

2. Odyssey: Has a webkit endianness issue that has no real solution in sight.

3. Timberwolf: Is an option but seems like to much work for anyone to commit to but TENFOURFOX maybe the last minute hero to save the day.

4. Lets just eat pancakes and reminisce about the good old days?

Why doesn't Hyperion think an up to date web browser is an important strategy for marketing their operating system? It perplexes me that one of the Friedens took this on then dumped it, what was Ben Hermans thinking?

As an OS4.1FE user I would gladly accept a pause on AmigaOS updates for features and bug fixes if it meant a modern browser was being implemented.

@Kamelito

Thanks for the link, that is great news hopefully other websites I visit will follow this path. I wish Adobe Flash would hurry up and die already.

@nbache

Yes I did mention silverlight and modern browser in the same sentence, many websites use it for example Netflix, you may not find use for it but a Firefox port that is up to date gives me that flexibility.

Again the argument, it's too big a project to maintain, the updates are too frequent and large etc etc.

If Hyperion intend to market AmigaOS 4.x as a modern operating system etc and intend to attract new users to the platform, then a modern web browser with Silverlight, Java, WebGL etc is an absolute non negotiable necessity.

The same story applies for A-eon as they are producing new hardware to expand the user base, such things as an up to date web browser is imperative, if this situation is not resolved then buying an A1222, X1000, X5000 or Acube Sam system is nothing more than an expensive emulator to get your Amiga fix with.

Odyssey has become so slow and unusable on my Pegasos 2 to the point I don't turn it on anymore, I won't buy a new A-eon machine until things change I am better off booting up the Amiga 1200T for my Amiga fix.

@Deniil

Yep I know what you mean, I have been talking about this for some time now, we badly need Timberwolf updated to the latest Firefox build and then maintained.

I applaud all other developments and progress but I kind of wish all the developers focussed there efforts on a modern web browser, WebGL and Gallium for AmigaOS 4.1.

@AmigaDevleoperTeam

Can you guys please update the port of Timberwolf?

Odyssey doesn't load all pages correctly and is slow, Netsurf doesn't load all pages correctly or handle media properly, and well, you know all the rest.

Enhancer is a nice package but what good is a computer these days when you can't interact with the internet properly?

It doesn't have to be Timberwolf by the way, but I figure why not? This is where people chime in and say, it's to out of date, who is going to maintain it, it's to big a job to do, just wait for Fab and the team to fix Odyssey... BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Timberwolf is almost as capable in its horrendously unfinished state as Odyssey, well on my Pegasos 2 it is anyway. An updated version will open users to an array of useful add-ons via plugins etc that enhance your internet experience.

AmigaOS which ever edition is further slipping behind in web browsing capability with every passing day, the AmigaOS team be it A-eon, Amiga Developer Team, Hyperion, someone needs to bring about a solution.

@Atheist

Yes that is valid I guess if you only want voice, in your original post it mentions Skype and I immediately thought video calling. I guess it depends on how far you want to take this. I have always hoped AmigaOS would grow to support UVC USB cameras so video calling with the likes of Facebook HD video calling would become possible.

@Atheist

facebook has a function to perform HD video calls and HD Voice calls through messenger, if a plugin is required for Odyssey that could need to be written but you would need to have a UVC USB driver written for usb video camera or microphones as far as understand.