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Re: We so need an updated browser!
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@AmigaSociety

Yeah I would be happy with a payment system to fund the maintenance of a modern browser preferable Firefox (Timberwolf) not tenfourfox.

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@Hans

I think the only way this can work is if the owners of the operating system are backing it, personally I think in modern computing the operating system is dead if you can't surf the internet comprehensively, meeting established standards of the mainstream. I think its in Hyperions interests to be actively supporting/developing a modern browser even if it is maintaining an active port.

If there is a financial component required from the community I think people may come on board if there were some assurances that the Timberwolf debacle doesn't happen again.

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Re: We so need an updated browser!
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To undertake such a task of porting a new browser, updating existing browser options i.e. Timberwolf would require existing capable developers to be unsatisfied with the current available options enough so to want to bring about a resolution to the current problems.

Truth is no developers can be bothered because they are time poor, there is no financial incentive and no one wants the task of maintaining a port once completed.

Despite this it seems Hyperion and A-eon would like to insist that next generation AmigaOS and hardware is viable and insists we should remember when computing was fun? I propose computing is not fun on AmigaOS anymore when you can't browse the internet comprehensively with the existing solutions.

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Re: We so need an updated browser!
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I wonder why the A-Eon Developer team or Hyperion see no value in making a fully functional, up to date modern browser a priority? I mean seriously Timberwolf, what a missed opportunity that was. I know there are detractors in the community about this but the fact is a Firefox port gives opportunity for plugins like no other browsers and the browser has active support in the linux arena. I accept the fact its a large undertaking requiring someone to maintain the port, but if you are going to be a real company releasing an operating system and selling new hardware in 2017 you need a Web Browser that is in parity with whats on offer and available on other platforms.

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Re: We so need an updated browser!
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@BSzili

I guess you miss understood my perspective on what I perceive as being "no solution in sight."

As you pointed out the issue is known but no one has attempted to resolve it. You see, knowing the issue and having an answer/solution are two different things, and that doesn't mean there is an answer at hand, or that it would be easier than starting from scratch.

To be honest I would prefer Firefox be ported than Odyssey but, hey a modern competent browser no matter the solution is desired. However skipping to eat pancakes and reminisce the good ole days is a delicious way to drown our sorrows I guess.

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@BSzili

I don't think anyone has declared it impossible but from what I have read on all the forums it is a big task to overcome, hence the lack of an update to Odyssey for quite some time now.

I guess it's why I have asked the question what is the solution to move forward.

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Re: We so need an updated browser!
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@THREAD

So moving forward what is the real solution?

1. Netsurf: seems to be to far behind the current modern browsers and has too few people developing it.

2. Odyssey: Has a webkit endianness issue that has no real solution in sight.

3. Timberwolf: Is an option but seems like to much work for anyone to commit to but TENFOURFOX maybe the last minute hero to save the day.

4. Lets just eat pancakes and reminisce about the good old days?

Why doesn't Hyperion think an up to date web browser is an important strategy for marketing their operating system? It perplexes me that one of the Friedens took this on then dumped it, what was Ben Hermans thinking?

As an OS4.1FE user I would gladly accept a pause on AmigaOS updates for features and bug fixes if it meant a modern browser was being implemented.

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@Kamelito

Thanks for the link, that is great news hopefully other websites I visit will follow this path. I wish Adobe Flash would hurry up and die already.

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Re: We so need an updated browser!
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@nbache

Yes I did mention silverlight and modern browser in the same sentence, many websites use it for example Netflix, you may not find use for it but a Firefox port that is up to date gives me that flexibility.

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Re: We so need an updated browser!
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Again the argument, it's too big a project to maintain, the updates are too frequent and large etc etc.

If Hyperion intend to market AmigaOS 4.x as a modern operating system etc and intend to attract new users to the platform, then a modern web browser with Silverlight, Java, WebGL etc is an absolute non negotiable necessity.

The same story applies for A-eon as they are producing new hardware to expand the user base, such things as an up to date web browser is imperative, if this situation is not resolved then buying an A1222, X1000, X5000 or Acube Sam system is nothing more than an expensive emulator to get your Amiga fix with.

Odyssey has become so slow and unusable on my Pegasos 2 to the point I don't turn it on anymore, I won't buy a new A-eon machine until things change I am better off booting up the Amiga 1200T for my Amiga fix.

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@Deniil

Yep I know what you mean, I have been talking about this for some time now, we badly need Timberwolf updated to the latest Firefox build and then maintained.

I applaud all other developments and progress but I kind of wish all the developers focussed there efforts on a modern web browser, WebGL and Gallium for AmigaOS 4.1.

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Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update
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@AmigaDevleoperTeam

Can you guys please update the port of Timberwolf?

Odyssey doesn't load all pages correctly and is slow, Netsurf doesn't load all pages correctly or handle media properly, and well, you know all the rest.

Enhancer is a nice package but what good is a computer these days when you can't interact with the internet properly?

It doesn't have to be Timberwolf by the way, but I figure why not? This is where people chime in and say, it's to out of date, who is going to maintain it, it's to big a job to do, just wait for Fab and the team to fix Odyssey... BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Timberwolf is almost as capable in its horrendously unfinished state as Odyssey, well on my Pegasos 2 it is anyway. An updated version will open users to an array of useful add-ons via plugins etc that enhance your internet experience.

AmigaOS which ever edition is further slipping behind in web browsing capability with every passing day, the AmigaOS team be it A-eon, Amiga Developer Team, Hyperion, someone needs to bring about a solution.

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Re: Is VOiP Available For AOS4?
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@Atheist

Yes that is valid I guess if you only want voice, in your original post it mentions Skype and I immediately thought video calling. I guess it depends on how far you want to take this. I have always hoped AmigaOS would grow to support UVC USB cameras so video calling with the likes of Facebook HD video calling would become possible.

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Re: Is VOiP Available For AOS4?
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@Atheist

facebook has a function to perform HD video calls and HD Voice calls through messenger, if a plugin is required for Odyssey that could need to be written but you would need to have a UVC USB driver written for usb video camera or microphones as far as understand.

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Re: Which graphics card(s) do you use with AmigaOS 4.x (in 2016)?
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So, what would have to change for you to get that X5000 + epic GFX card? What would this "better Amiga scene" look like?

I know that this is drifting off (my own) topic a bit, but those are interesting questions. We can always transfer this to a new thread if needed.



The whole web browsing issues that plaque OS4.1, the lack of hardware accelerated 3D i.e. Gallium or similar just a short list I don't want to bore people or derail this thread.

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Re: Which graphics card(s) do you use with AmigaOS 4.x (in 2016)?
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@Hans

Radeon 9250 in my Pegasos 2, if the Amiga scene was better than it currently is now I would buy an X5000 with the most epic GFX card supported by the platform.

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Re: TimberWolf update for 4.1FE ?
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@328gts

I would very much like to see a full up to date port of Firefox, I would contribute to a port be it Timberwolf or a new port that is not held hostage by the Friedens that supported full hardware acceleration. Lets hope the Friedens do release the OS4.1 changes so that it can it can be updated.

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Re: Timberwolf RC3 available
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Timberwolf is awesome I just wish it was up to date so the latest plugins work and that it has hardware acceleration.

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Re: Timberwolf RC3 available
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Solie has the code from the Friedens and has said he was going to put together a team but that was a loooooooong time ago. If there is someone in the community who has the time and skills necessary to take it on I hope they approach the Friedens for the source code.

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Re: Timberwolf RC3 available
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The project is dead unless Solie and the team find the time to pickup from where it was abandoned.

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