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SAM hangs on AmigaOS4.1 screen
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Ever since updating my SAM via the Hyperion website and downloading and installing the second of the two updates (the one concerning IDE I believe), the Amiga just stays frozen at the AmigaOS 4.1 bootscreen.

The first reboot following the update it hung there for a good minute or so, then suddenly loaded up OK and worked perfectly.

No other changes were made to the machine, indeed it was a fresh install other than a wallpaper change, screen res change, internet connection set up and installation of OWB from OS4Depot and an MP3 datatype (the Amiga rebooted fine after these updates).

Has anyone else had this problem? Any ideas on a trouble shooting approach?

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Re: SAM hangs on AmigaOS4.1 screen
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@tommo1975

Does it fix the problem if you copy back the old IDE drivers from the Installation CD?

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Re: SAM hangs on AmigaOS4.1 screen
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If I could get Workbench loaded I could say, but alas I can't :'(

I've loaded up the Amiga installation disk OK, so the hardware if fine. Can't see the harddisk's appearing on the desktop though, not sure if I should or not....

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Re: SAM hangs on AmigaOS4.1 screen
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OK, I may have found the problem. The harddisk no longer shows via Media toolbox, I'm assuming it should?

Seems strange as the BIOS finds it and the system loads up OK up until a point.

I'm thinking loose cable....

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OK, a little bit wierd this.

I started to think it may be network related, i.e. the Amiga waiting for an IP address or something, so after playing around with disconnecting it from the internet and so on (without joy I may add) I added it again onto the network whilst it was hanging.

This caused a network log output to appear on screen, with comments (3 of them) about duplicate IP address 0.0.0.0 sent from ethernet address <gives MAC address>

After about 2 minutes wait the desktop loaded up fine!

Not sure if my previous attempts to load it up were me not giving the machine enough time, but I'm thinking of clearing all the network connections to see if that makes a difference.

Anyway, is any of this making any sense to anyone?

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@tommo1975

Final update - not one for positing to my own thred several times! - deleting the network connections I'd defined from Devs\Netinterfaces worked and it now loads up perfectly so they were to blame.

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Anyway, is any of this making any sense to anyone?


Just so you don't think you're mad, yes it does, just I wouldn't report something like this because I knew since the kickstart directory loads fine there must be something else going on...

generally I just reset a few times or turn the machine off for 30 secs... I'm always very patient with it, I do not want to damage the nice new SAM

After you've used AmigaOS for say 20+ years you'll probably develop a 6th sense... i.e. do not worry if something quirkly happens, it's probably nothing really at all... LOL

If in a real hurry do like I do, replace the motherboard... LOL why you think I'm getting my second SAM already... have to be prepared for any future downtime... it is NOT an option

I want about 3 and 3 top range ones too... OR become a distributor which I am looking into...

and Hells Teeth man, get rid of those last 3 cpu listings in your Signature, you want to cause a riot?

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Re: SAM hangs on AmigaOS4.1 screen
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@tommo1975

In your Startup-Sequence, change the network line to this:

Run >NIL: C:AddNetInterface QUIET DEVS:NetInterfaces/~(#?.info)

Other wise, the bootup will hang waiting for the net connect.

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@tommo1975

A general comment:
It's always possible to find what's wrong. Just boot without startup-sequence. Then type:
set interactive on
then execute the startup-sequence. You'll be asked if you want to execute each action. Just press enter on each command.
Then you'll see the one that hangs up many seconds.

(Escape to exit the interactive mode and continue execution)

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A general comment:
It's always possible to find what's wrong. Just boot without startup-sequence. onds.


How would I boot without the start-up sequence?

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In your Startup-Sequence, change the network line to this:

Run >NIL: C:AddNetInterface QUIET DEVS:NetInterfaces/~(#?.info)

Other wise, the bootup will hang waiting for the net connect.


I'll add that. I presume the startup-sequence is that in the S draw? If so, I can open it up (it opens in Multiview) but not add any text to it?

There is already a line saying C:AddNetInterface QUIET DEVS:NetInterfaces/~(#?.info) so I am presuming I just add RUN >NIL in front of it?

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Yes that's it in the S drawer. Just drag and drop it onto the notepad icon on Amidock (presuming you still have it on there) to edit it.
Hold both mouse buttons when booting to enter early startup menu.

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There is already a line saying C:AddNetInterface QUIET DEVS:NetInterfaces/~(#?.info) so I am presuming I just add RUN >NIL in front of it?

Yes, just load S:Startup-Sequence in a text editor (NotePad) & edit the existing line. This is an old problem. With the original line, the boot sequence stops until a net connection is made. If theres a problem, it will keep trying until it connects or gives up before it continues to boot. By adding the "run" command, it will attempt a net connection in the background & continue to boot up. The down side is a short delay before the net can be used after bootup, usually 5 sec or less. I use a fixed IP on my micro, so the delay is to short to notice.

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Yes, just load S:Startup-Sequence in a text editor (NotePad) & edit the existing line. This is an old problem. With the original line, the boot sequence stops until a net connection is made. If theres a problem, it will keep trying until it connects or gives up before it continues to boot. By adding the "run" command, it will attempt a net connection in the background & continue to boot up. The down side is a short delay before the net can be used after bootup, usually 5 sec or less. I use a fixed IP on my micro, so the delay is to short to notice.


Perfect that does indeed appear to have my Amiga back on the net again and loading up Workbench quickly.

Thanks for the assistance everyone - it's making re-learning the Amiga a far less painful experience!

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Re: SAM hangs on AmigaOS4.1 screen
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I have seen "duplicate IP address 0.0.0.0 sent from ethernet address <gives MAC address>" a FEW times, including on a freshly installed Sam440 (not mine).

It usually only happens at my local Amiga club, so I think it may be one of the machines or the router that is to blame.

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How would I boot without the start-up sequence?


Once the kickstart is loaded into memory and it resets to boot into 4.1 hold down both mouse buttons and a preboot menu should appear... If the workbench screen appears with all your icons or your 4.1 Screen just hangs there as per your problem you done it too late... try again...

The menu should be self explanatory

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Re: SAM hangs on AmigaOS4.1 screen
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@Slayer and @elwood

Where do you have found the informations ??? It's written on the doc of aos4.1 ???

just few seconds ago, I never know that there have a menu with both mouse button pressed (the preboot menu) ??? need to test at home after the job

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Come on, the Early Startup Menu is there since AmigaOS 2.0!

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@Elwood

just thinking not available on AOS4.x. (remplaced by Uboot prompt and commands).

You know, I'm just on AOS since AOS4.x and SAM

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In your Startup-Sequence, change the network line to this:

Run >NIL: C:AddNetInterface QUIET DEVS:NetInterfaces/~(#?.info)

Other wise, the bootup will hang waiting for the net connect.


wow! I was wondering why sometimes I've to wait 1 or 2 minutes watching the OS4.1 boot screen!!!
I'll modify my startup-sequence this evening, thank you sundown!
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