PiStorm and 3D Hardware

Hi!

The PiStorm 3D Project (Crowdfunded) shows first results.

An example program using the current version of the PiStorm 3D Library draws a rotating colored triangle into an Intuition Screen now.

https://discord.com/channels/784428461 ... 86513/1481730628960649397

The reason why all takes so long is that only the 3D Chip of the Pi3 is publicly documented, for the Chip of the Pi4 all information has to get taken from Mesa3D Driver Source Code and similar sources. No real documentation exists. At least not available for Amiga-related people.

But now as the most tricky stuff ("how to get something displayed, how to get the shader stuff running") is done I expect progress comes much faster.

Next step will be finding out how to texture.

Best regards,
Steffen

@TheMagicSN

Great news

In meantime the triangles are not only colored, but fully textured. So next step done (of course there is still a lot to be done).

https://www.indiegogo.com/en/projects/ ... em_CgYqM6DudRlYjS1EALGJuQ

@TheMagicSN

excellent! Can't wait to test it out on my 1200-Pistorm32-CM4

There is still some stuff to do though. A lot of stuff actually ... but as you can see progress is now faster after the principial issues sort of are cleared up. Many of them anyways.

somehow i feel at any corners of the "amiga scene" that when you party People and hold them as HOLY, they are nice to you and bath in this social "all eyes on me". BUT i try since begin of the Pistorm to talk about issues and there is always a Discord Mod jumping out any dark corner to whiteknight the product.

I mean there must be more with the same issues but nobdy say anthing or when then only a person that i never see again in chat.

WTF? is going on, are the product sales now the only wroth the users for ? why not listing to problems of the users for a all better product. In the Amiga Scene it seems for me that people know about the problems and try to hide them or devs. are cornerd by obssesed people that give them honey everyday, while reality is in a other dimension.

Okay some exsamples you want ? Amikit 13 asking for the pistorm version, will take some time.... but what about licenses running out in that time ? so spreading the release after time and time now spreading the other releases again. OHHH a bad karma talk but hey its reality and money. Answer : buy a new license - NO HELL i will NOT !

Pistorm the holy Pistorm Emu68 ! Nobody shall ever bring any say anything against the holy grail ! We all know 1.0.7 is brown and in a toilet swiming. 1.1.1alpha is in real 60%Performance 40% stable or you dont use your amiga longer then 4hours.

1.0.4 was in my eyes the most stable Version and whatever he did after it was drunk or he is at end of his skills to make any stable version again.

But why ?? when im at end at my skills i reach out for other people and try to keep the project clean, stable and running. Instead we want 100 new features PPC and all while the old is not even stable. Like i know there is a 1.1.1Alpha2 for Patrons or payers. Yeah that MONEY thing again, just to say why the alpha2 do not go public since it is mounths out there ? i guess it is more in the toilet bowl as the Version before.

Yes sorry that i hurt some Discord Mods and whiteknights fans that send me dead threads now.... BUT i ask all that questions allready in discord and get no answers, when i want to talk about problems i get "its only you, everything working perfect". That is NO ANSWER dudes if you work in sale, there is just 1 customer that have issues that you have to take his word, find out whats wrong.

Today you get the Victim Card, it is my fault that i buy the product in the first place ! Now you have problems ? cant you solve themself you know not much about amigas or? etc.

And i know that the owner of the Discords are reading this brown soup and say nothing to it or even approve it.

Then my Question why you make a Discord in the first place ? only to get all the fame and social respect ? A social plattfrom for a Hardware Software is a communication between Users and Devs. To say the truth about the Products and help to make them better.


Yes now you can hate me all.... i said something bad against emu68 and amikit. You know what ? i remember times amikit gave keys to pirates that they check for bugs, help coding and solve problems. yeah remember that time jan ? ok enough this will be deletet so or so, as hate speech or whatever.

@manga303

I get your frustration, especially when you feel that no one is listening. I hear you.

Have you tried to communicate these issues you experience with the product owners? I mean, the pistorm team has https://github.com/michalsc/Emu68/issues where issues can be shared.

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I do not know what is the AmiKit's plans for the new X13 and what is happening with the older licences. I bet Jan is the best one to answer that.

From my understanding and the experience I have by the people running these products, is that they really care about the users and their experience. Maybe something lost in communication when you shared the problems you have.

@manga303

"You are expecting commercial tech-support from a community that runs entirely on hobby basis. The Amiga market is too tiny to be about the money.

Developers don't get rich from Patreon; they develop because they enjoy it in their spare time. When people start treating them like a retail helpdesk, it stops being fun, and that is exactly when developers quit.

I understand it is frustrating when versions like Emu68 1.1.1 are unstable, or when projects feel fractured. But you cannot buy into this scene expecting a flawless corporate product.

If you buy an Amiga expansion today, you should buy it for what it can actually execute stable right now—not for future promises or alpha features. If you treat experimental features as a bonus rather than a entitlement, you will save yourself a lot of anger."

@manga303

Ohh.... So many bad words and so much of frustration. Let's work out the problem.

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And have you ever thought of reporting the issues on Github? There is a page for exactly that reason. When reporting the bug please describe it briefly but do not forget to describe steps necessary to reproduce too. Simple "doesn't work" is unfortunately not sufficient.

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If the issues are reported I can have a look to them. If they are simply mentioned on discord or on some forum on the internet, I can hardly follow them.

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Neither Emu68 nor PiStorm are commercial products. Authors behind this projects do them for free as open source / open hardware. I have an impression you are mixing things.

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Why not reporting problems so that I (or others) can work on them?

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Amikit is neither Emu68 nor PiStorm related. Yes, we know each other and yes, Jan does dedicated PiStorm version of Amikit. That's all. If you are unhappy with Amikit, report it to Jan. If you are unhappy with Emu68, report it on Github issues. But don't mix things.

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PiStorm is hardware, Emu68 is software. Don't mix that please.

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And that's why I always ask people to report issues they have? If you have a problem, please, once again, very please report it.

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No, "we all" don't know. There are many people using 1.0.7 and they do not report issues. I assume in this case "we all" is your subjective observation.

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That's why it is called alpha. There was a huge code rewrite with 1.1 and it had to be done, therefore it takes more time than initially expected.

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If this is your opinion than for the code, switch back to 1.0.4 and continue from there by yourself. All releases are tagged, going to the v1.0.4 state of the code is very easy.

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Very untrue. There are builds which will become alpha.2, which are distributed on Discord for **everyone**. I am not hiding **anything** behind a paywall and I do everything free of charge. All contents I post on Patreon is **free for everyone** and, if someone decides to financially support me there, decides to do so by himself. No pressure, no begging, no enforcement.

Once I decide that the current state of code deserves alpha.2, it will be out on Github as a pre-release. Until then, go to discord and grab the most recent build from there.

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Where exactly? Where are your reports on Github issues too?

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When you describe a problem, please also describe steps necessary to reproduce it. If someone cannot reproduce the problem you have, how on earth one can work on fixing it?

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Again, PiStorm and Emu68 are non-commercial open source projects. We do not work in sale with these products.

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If you do not provide us exact description of your issue or if you do not give us steps necessary to reproduce the issue then we cannot work on fixing it. As simple as that.

In case of commercial products, let's say car industry, if your car is broken you bring it to the manufacturer and then he can work out the problem. You do not call the workshop telling "car doesn't work" and waiting until the workshop somehow fixes it without seeing your car. Of course, unless you have some sort of premium service where the workshop "comes" to you and fixes your issues.

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Believe or not, there are hundreds of users on PiStorm's discord channel asking for help and receiving help. Maybe they were better at describing the problem? Maybe their issue description was better than some sort of "this shit doesn't work"? Who knows...

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I don't hate you, I feel pity for you. I still offer you to create an issue on Github and describe your problems. Please, as said many times already, write what is not working, what is the expected behavior and how to reproduce it.

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This URL would be a right place to say something bad: https://github.com/michalsc/Emu68/issues

@manga303

I can understand if you are frustrated, but why take this thread off topic and not just start a new one??

Anyway, to try bring this back on topic, chances are low but would enjoy hearing what challenges have been encountered and a bit of a high level overview on what their is still currently left to do