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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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AmigaOneXE platform could have both G4 and RadeonHD, but this is pretty irrelevant as the Pegasos choice was well argued above and a transaction is already in progress.

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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@gregthecanuck

the problem of xe is low cpu G4 speed , slow agp and pci bus comparede with the pegasos2, plus pegasos 2 will be used to BZili for make simple switch from Mos to OS4 :)

my Pegasos 2 vs Xe with same Video board and same cpu speed

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h8uu7elkye9bsjc/IMG_3022.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xpx9w5a1dul301c/IMG_3023.JPG

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3h7tcd5bual2bkt/IMG_3024.JPG <-my sam460 vs my Peg2 sdlbench note the sam dont have Hw acceleration

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yk3bo3n4pzdf73h/IMG_3021.JPG <-euae sdl os4 on my Peggy :)


Edited by tlosm on 2013/10/24 8:16:24
Edited by tlosm on 2013/10/24 8:17:15
Edited by tlosm on 2013/10/24 8:19:06
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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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@gregthecanuck
I presume the developers of the RadeonHD driver will provide a minigl.library compatible OpenGL interface too, to be backward compatible with the existing software. It shouldn't be a big issue once they have Gallium3D/Mesa ported, because MiniGL is just a subset of OpenGL 1.4.

@tlosm
You posted the same link twice, I'd be interested in the comparison.

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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@BSzili

Sorry Bszili, fixed and added new photo :P

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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@BSzili
This video is the Pegasos2 realtime downloading/encoding/decoding
from youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsIXVr2J6RU
Pegasos 2 1Ghz
this is Mtube Qt app :)

Now i can play at 1.266 460p without problems

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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@tlosm @BSzili

I was just making sure you were aware of the limitations of working with Radeon HD cards on the PegII machine.

Sounds like you understand that just fine.

Looking forward to what you get up to.

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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@tlosm

Quote:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3h7tcd5bual2bkt/IMG_3024.JPG <-my sam460 vs my Peg2 sdlbench note the sam dont have Hw acceleration


Uh, your Radeon HD 4650 most certainly does have HW acceleration for 2D operations. Your benchmark results show this too.


Why then, does the Radeon 9000 beat the Radeon HD 4650 in 3 out of 4 SDLBench tests? Well, Radeon HD cards don't have a dedicated 2D blitter unit like the old Radeons do, so the 3D GPU has to do everything. As a result, they have greater per-2D-operation overhead. That's not so great if you're doing many tiny operations, like SDLBench does.

However, your HD 4650 is faster with:
- large blits (more likely with large HD screens)
- compositing
- 3D**

You can see this in the following GfxBench2D results:
- Sam460ex + Radeon HD 4650 result
- Pegasos II + Radeon 9000

If you compare the graphs/tables carefully, you'll see the HD 4650 come out on top in large blits, and totally beat the 9000 in the compositing tests.

Hans


** Based on the compositing results, which both cards have to use the 3D GPU for. We'll have to wait for actual 3D drivers to get hard data

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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@tlosm

Quote:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3h7tcd5bual2bkt/IMG_3024.JPG <-my sam460 vs my Peg2 sdlbench note the sam dont have Hw acceleration


Hmmm, the Sam460ex HW accelerated 32x32 blit result is about 1/3rd of what I'd expect based on the GfxBench2D results. Something strange is going on there.

Hans

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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Hi Hans i foget to write "3D" Hw acceleration :)

the Gfxbench result Pegasos2 you took is mine :P

And I can full confirm on 2d Radeonhd is fantastic compositing rulez
Mace on the 460 with radeon 6670 1080p 75/65 fps
On the pegasos 2 with 9000pro 1080p 20/17 fps


Edited by tlosm on 2013/10/25 8:04:31
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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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Payment to Matt done: 690$ which is 500E for today. That summ include: Peg II + Memory + 1GHz G4 CPU + Shipping (75 euros via usps) = 500 Euro.

Now BSzili will buy radeon92xx for yourself (15E) , and we need to collect 130E for os4 for peg2, to get it from Amikit there: http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/c ... ducts_id=862¤cy=EUR


After all transfers and fees i have now 20E left, and we need 110E more. If some of you can help with it as well, that will be pretty helpful :)


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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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I can donate 20e early November (5th) if it drags on. Sorry cant do anything now.

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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hi kas1e. I have just repaired my paypal, finally! I've had an incredible journey clean through the PayPal system after I lost my visa card this summer. But have learned a lot along the way, but a lot are not just user error, only max unfortunate. so hope it will continue to work this way forward. regarding the money you would need for OS4.1 for peg2. I can cover it. so then I have at least given my support. i have already transferred 110 euro

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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its not for me, its for bszilis peg2 ) but of course thanks ! now he will have all need it parts !

@all
no more donations need it, we have necessary summ for os4 now as well !

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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yes, i did know :) have followed the thread pretty closely, a very good initiative :) thank you for this. i will also help you with some donation for dopus server stuff, when I'm able to donate again.

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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>@all
>no more donations need it, we have necessary summ for os4 >now as well !

Kudos on that, will aid OWB open sourcing

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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aos4 for peg2 from amikit also done now (which cost in end 135E with all the stuff). And we have left 10E which i will send to BSzili, so he can get radeon92xx for.

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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Remaining 10E sends to BSzili directly, so now we cover everything, as well as all the money you send fully reused without single $ loss. Now only wait till all will be in Hungary :)

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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@kas1e @BSzili
news about the machine BSzili do you have it ?

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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Nope, shipping from the US to Hungary can take weeks.

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Re: One more bounty to loan HW for amiga developer
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Umm usually need 2 week to italy ...customs is usually Who take the most time, i Hope there isnt like here with customs ...

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