WB boot hangups - a solution

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Gregor

Posted on: 2023/2/16 7:26 #1

Just popping in

My X5000 has shown random WB hangups while booting, resulting in half-loaded, grey WB screen with just a couple of icons. The culprit was obviously X-Dock, if loaded via WBstartup.

The solution was to disable X-Dock in WBstartup prefs, and run it directly from startup-sequence, after WB has been loaded. The end of my startup-sequence looks now this:

...
Wait 1 sec
Run >NIL: *>NIL: Sys:Utilities/X-Dock/X-Dock
EndCLI >NIL:

The 1 sec delay is there to secure that WB is surely loaded to the very end, so that loading of X-Dock cannot anymore disturb the process. This works in X5040, but a slightly longer delay might be needed for slower machines.

AMIGASYSTEM

Re: WB boot hangups - a solution

Posted on: 2023/2/16 10:14 #2

Just popping in

@Gregor

In the WBStartup, in the Tooltypes Icon "X-Dock" have you tried to set the Priority value -126 ?

trixie

Re: WB boot hangups - a solution

Posted on: 2023/2/16 12:39 #3

Amigans Defender

I used to have a slightly different WB boot problem. More often than not, my X5000 would boot into an empty grey screen with an empty screenbar.

I removed X-Dock from WBstartup but the problem persisted. In the end it turned out that, over time, I had installed a few AHI drivers for cards I don't use, and one of these seems to have been causing the hang-up. Since I removed all unnecessary drivers from DEVS:AHI and DEVS:AudioModes, I've never had such a problem.

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Gregor

Re: WB boot hangups - a solution

Posted on: 2023/2/16 14:35 #4

Just popping in

@AMIGASYSTEM
Quote:

In the WBStartup, in the Tooltypes Icon "X-Dock" have you tried to set the Priority value -126 ?

No, that possibility did not occur to my mind as I very rarely play with the priorities... Thanks for the tip!

Gregor

Re: WB boot hangups - a solution

Posted on: 2023/2/16 14:42 #5

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@trixie
Quote:

I used to have a slightly different WB boot problem. More often than not, my X5000 would boot into an empty grey screen with an empty screenbar.

I removed X-Dock from WBstartup but the problem persisted. In the end it turned out that, over time, I had installed a few AHI drivers for cards I don't use, and one of these seems to have been causing the hang-up. Since I removed all unnecessary drivers from DEVS:AHI and DEVS:AudioModes, I've never had such a problem.

Yes, I remember having some years ago problems with unnecessary AudioModes, too! Since then I have kept installed only those which I really need.

jabirulo

Re: WB boot hangups - a solution

Posted on: 2023/2/16 21:25 #6

Just can't stay away

@Gregor

Even if you run from WBStartup just an "empty" X-Dock (no tools, dockapps, whatever...)?

It could be one tool/dockapp/.. that tries to use some unloaded resource and it hangs your system.

Gregor

Re: WB boot hangups - a solution

Posted on: 2023/2/22 15:32 #7

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I'm afraid I made a conclusion too hastily... The boot hangup problem reappeared after few days! So, either there are several sources for that issue in my machine, or just something totally independent of X-Dock.

Now I'm testing with a delay at the beginning of Network-startup... So far zero hangups, but I have now to follow the situation during a longer period.

rjd324

Re: WB boot hangups - a solution

Posted on: 2023/2/22 15:48 #8

Quite a regular

I am sorry, but it's just the way it is.

https://forum.hyperion-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?t=4542.

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
George Orwell.

rjd324

Re: WB boot hangups - a solution

Posted on: 2023/2/22 15:50 #9

Quite a regular

I have come to live with it like even @walkero.

I still suspect some race condition or something with the USB stack. But that's just my guess.

A problem which for me happens about 1 in 10 times.

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
George Orwell.

Plexus

Re: WB boot hangups - a solution

Posted on: 2023/2/23 21:25 #10

Just popping in

Have this hangups before but goes away when change to internal ethernet onboard card on my X5000..
I take out my pci ethernet card from.pci slot too... So only use internal ethnet..

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Gregor

Re: WB boot hangups - a solution

Posted on: 2023/2/24 8:18 #11

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@PlexusQuote:

Have this hangups before but goes away when change to internal ethernet onboard card on my X5000..
I take out my pci ethernet card from.pci slot too... So only use internal ethnet.

I tested that some times earlier, too, but it did not solve the problem in my machine. And I anyway need a nic as Linux has initiation problems with the X5000 onboard ethernet - no one has been able to fix that issue though it has been present several years!

But delaying the execution of 'AddNetInterface' command with 3 secs in Network-Startup has so far worked for me. No hangups during a week...

rjd324

Re: WB boot hangups - a solution

Posted on: 2023/2/24 8:55 #12

Quite a regular

@Gregor

Ohh,,, just you wait.

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George Orwell.

Hypex

Re: WB boot hangups - a solution

Posted on: 2023/2/28 4:32 #13

Not too shy to talk

@rjd324

Quote:

I still suspect some race condition or something with the USB stack. But that's just my guess.

Something is always wrong with the USB stack. I have to keep my keyboard on an extension so I can easily pull the plug out and in again. Since Update 2 my keyboard is dead on boot 99% of the time.

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