Problems with X5000/040 and 2 graphic cards. [ SOLVED ]

I've already posted the problem explained above in a MOS Discord group. Skateman and Geennam have kindly given their opinions and tried to help. Now I'm posting it here for your record in case there's a solution, and also because I think there might be more X5000/040 users here.

I think really is not a problem of MOS or AOS4, it's a problem of X5040 bios or similar.

The problem is that I want to use a RadeonRX550 as my primary graphics card for AOS4 and a Radeon X1950Pro for MOS, just as I've seen other users do with X5020.
The first graphics card goes into PCIe 16x, and the second graphics card uses a PCIe 4x or 1x to 16x adapter.
I've already tried three different adapters: two PCIe 4x to 16x adapters and one PCIe 1x to 16x adapter, and none of them work.

I'd tested both cards connecting only RX and use with AOS4 and connecting only Radeon X1950 to 16x pcie with AOS4 and MOS and works too.

Aditionaly I'd try with classic Ati Radeon 9250 PCI as second card for MOS as temporal soluton but not works.

When I use only Radeon X1950 at startup computer graphic card blow go to 100% speed 2-3 seconds until all X5000 hardware is initialized, when X5000 boot logo screen appear blow speed down to 10%.

When I'd try to use X1950 as second graphic card with pcie adapters at startup computer blow go to 100% speed and never stop. Sound like a X5000 boot sequence can't find second card or can't initilize second graphic card.

It's a firmware or bios defect or exist some command/vars in uboot to be enabled for use 2 graphic cards in X5040 ?.
Someone here with X5040 and 2 graphic cards working?.

I am a X5020 user and think the fan on my X1950 card that I have connected to the 4x port does run fast when I am running from my RX580 in Amiga OS. That X1950 only calms down when I switch to MorphOS. Not 100% but I can hear the fans slow up and the noise drop when I am in MorphOS. Then again, maybe my RX580 is going quieter and my X1950 is doing the same as it always does. haha.

But yes fan speed and noise is quite high in my setup, mostly when I am runnning AmigaOS from the RX580 and I sense the X1950 is just running fast as before the X1950 was installed for dual boot, my X5K was not as loud.

TJ

@Kikems

You raise great points. I'd love to see dual video cards supported for OS 4 so I can have two screens running.

I do think the issue is in u-boot ;(

Cheers,
Bill "tekmage" Borsari

Solved , the problem was my pci soundcard. I remove pci sound card and pcie adapters from 1x to 16x and 4x to 16x works.

Radeon X1950Pro continue with blow at 100% until I boot Morphos to go to normal speed ( maybe around 25% speed ).
Now I need find a way to lower blow speed of Radeon X1950 when use AOS4 with RadeonRX. For now the easy way is start first MOS to send blow to 25% and restart in AOS4, blow continue at 25% forever.

I have an stupid ultra low cost from Aliexpress pci sound card based on chip CMI8738 that sound at very low volume, maybe the card is partialy broken or defective. I'll try to found other sound card in pcie 1x compatible with MOS and AOS4.

Thanks to all for our help and ideas.

I test PCI Radeon 9250 for curiosity but not works. Really it's not relevan with the way to use pcie solution for second graphic card.

Any ideas how to manage blow speed of conected but unused X1950 from AOS4 ( remember when I use AOS4 I use RadeonRX ) ?

@kikems

Does the X1950 card show up in Power prefs?

Under MOS do you have a tool/prefs to set fan speed or is automagically set?

@jabirulo

Not listed in PowerPrefs because only RadeonRX enabled in my kicklayout. If I enable RadeonHD (X1950 need RadeonHD drivers ) too the system give me a PCIgraphic error and hang at startup.
Really I don't know if AmigaOS4 can manage or use 2 graphic card with 2 monitors at same time.

Maybe @Hans can update drivers to initialize all cards available in pcie slots even if they are not used.
Firmware of X5000 initilize graphic card of pcie x16 slot when power on. If I move X1950 to 16x slot blow at 25% of speed and card it's initialized on power on X5000 before load MOS or AmigaOS4.

MOS manage power automatic, really I dont know if MOS have someone similar to PowerPrefs to manage graphic card.

@kikems

OK, and just trying the X1950 alone and RadeonHD under aos4? Just for courosity. IIRC I tested looong ago an x1900 on sam460, but driver didn't find it (maybe too early drv version).

@jabirulo

Yes works good with lastest RadeonHD driver but without 3D aceleration under AOS4.

I don't think you can control the speed of the fan - it's why I have bought passive / fanless GPU cards for the second card. You could replace the fan with an aftermarket one from AliExpress but you'd have to make sure it's compatible with x1950. My cards are all x1600 series so not as powerful. It will still run at 100% but not so loud.


[EDIT] PS: I agree that this is beginning to feel a lot like an X5040 issue. Which pretty much means we're stuck since RELEASED updates have dried up for the board.

@kikems

ok, yes no 3d support, and fan is at 100% or "silent"?
You can control with power prefs the "dpm": dynamic, high or low

https://wiki.amiga.org/index.php/File:Power_prefs.png

Can't remember if such pref. is only for RX cards

@jabirulo

Afaik powerprefs was only for rx cards.
I'm pretty sure i have read it from hans sometime and it would for sure not work on the radeonhd i was using before rx.
(I never upgraded to radeonhd v5)

can be interesting:

https://forum.hyperion-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?t=3797

https://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2023-01-00051-EN.html

https://www.skateman.nl/index.php/2022 ... x470-and-hd5450-graphics/

@jabirulo

When you use X1950 alone run silent, because card its initialized by X5000 firmware at power on and temperature control of internal bios of card is activated and working. The problem only comes when you have 2 or more graphic graphic cards conected, only the first one on pciex16 slot is initialized at power on, the other cards not initilized by x5k firmware and start al 100% of blow speed until driver initialized when you use it with AOS4, MOS or Linux.