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Software News : Timberwolf Goes Beta!
Posted by Mikey_C on 2012/2/16 18:17:38 (1867 reads) News by the same author
Software News

Available for immediate download


The Timberwolf team is proud to announce the immediate availability of the first beta version of Timberwolf 4.0.1. Timberwolf is an AmigaOS web browser based on Firefox/Mozilla technology. This technology is more than just a browser, it is an enabling technology, bringing powerful tools such as html5, WebM, JavaScript, XUL, and more to AmigaOS 4.x. These are the building blocks for other applications as well, such as the email client "Thunderbird" or the media center "Songbird".


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Rogue
Published: 2012/2/16 18:32  Updated: 2012/2/16 18:32
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
As it says on the webpage, please make sure that you read the included README file.
SLayeRDK
Published: 2012/2/16 19:00  Updated: 2012/2/16 19:00
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
Congratulations to the Timberwolf team.
TSK
Published: 2012/2/16 19:47  Updated: 2012/2/16 19:47
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
Thanks ! Thanks !

And congratulations !

Keep up the good work !

328gts
Published: 2012/2/16 19:54  Updated: 2012/2/16 19:54
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
Yahoooo..it's here
Tajmaster
Published: 2012/2/16 20:45  Updated: 2012/2/16 20:45
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
Where is the above information from? Link please?

I only recently started using MUI_OWB so I cant wait to try this
SLayeRDK
Published: 2012/2/16 20:48  Updated: 2012/2/16 20:48
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
Look here FriedenHQ.
Hans
Published: 2012/2/16 23:09  Updated: 2012/2/16 23:09
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
This is great news! I'm testing Timberwolf right now.

So far it's working well. Not bad for a software-rendered beta. It can even play youtube videos, albeit minus sound and with a slow frame-rate. However, that will improve as the Friedens continue to work on it.

Hans
ChrisH
Published: 2012/2/17 14:25  Updated: 2012/2/17 14:25
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
Hurrah! Will try this out ASAP

@Hans Quote:
It can even play youtube videos, albeit minus sound and with a slow frame-rate. However, that will improve as the Friedens continue to work on it.

Is that an official position, or just your opinion?
Raziel
Published: 2012/2/17 15:44  Updated: 2012/2/17 15:44
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
Awesomeness!!!
sicky
Published: 2012/2/17 16:51  Updated: 2012/2/17 16:51
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
@All

It looks nice, can't wait for it to be tuned and working faster as it's so very slow here on my SAM460. Takes ages to load and pages take an age to load, tried youtube and it actually works.. wow!!

Not moaning, been waiting for ages for this, hopefully it will get much faster with updates and fine tuning etc.

Has anyone else experienced this or is it just me?
Hans
Published: 2012/2/17 19:43  Updated: 2012/2/17 19:43
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@ChrisH

Quote:
Is that an official position, or just your opinion?

Why would it be an "official position"? I just tested it, noticed that I could watch youtube videos (but with limitations), and read the Frieden's commentary that it's software rendered, and they will be working on hardware acceleration for Timberwolf later.

Hans
Hans
Published: 2012/2/17 19:46  Updated: 2012/2/17 19:46
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@sicky
Quote:
It looks nice, can't wait for it to be tuned and working faster as it's so very slow here on my SAM460. Takes ages to load and pages take an age to load, tried youtube and it actually works.. wow!!

Not moaning, been waiting for ages for this, hopefully it will get much faster with updates and fine tuning etc.

Has anyone else experienced this or is it just me?


Did you follow the instructions in the readme to rebuild the font cache? I tested it on a Sam460ex and, while it is on the sluggish side, I didn't think that it was that bad. It is best to stick with one tab open only.

Hans
nubechecorre
Published: 2012/2/18 2:11  Updated: 2012/2/18 2:11
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
Thanks! tried on Amiga 1200 without problems :)
ChrisH
Published: 2012/2/18 9:07  Updated: 2012/2/18 9:07
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
@Hans Quote:
Why would it be an "official position"?

It was written as if you were stating on-behalf of the Frieden's. And it read as if you were saying the YouTube speed was *guaranteed* to improve (rather than say just Timberwolf's general speed improving).

While I'd love that to be true, I hadn't read anything else to indicate that (and in fact vaguely recall comments about the Alpha which could mean the opposite). I just wouldn't want to see anyone's hopes falsely raised.
Hans
Published: 2012/2/18 20:01  Updated: 2012/2/18 20:01
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
Quote:
It was written as if you were stating on-behalf of the Frieden's. And it read as if you were saying the YouTube speed was *guaranteed* to improve (rather than say just Timberwolf's general speed improving).

I'm afraid that I have to disagree with you here. There is nothing in my statement that suggests that I'm speaking for anyone but myself. Secondly, the Friedens can speak for themselves; they don't need a spokesman.

To be clear, I do NOT speak for anyone but myself. Just because I'm working on a graphics driver that is now on the AmigaOS CD does not change this.

Quote:
While I'd love that to be true, I hadn't read anything else to indicate that (and in fact vaguely recall comments about the Alpha which could mean the opposite). I just wouldn't want to see anyone's hopes falsely raised.


If you read through the readme and the commends made by the Friedens, you'll see lots of references about why the software rendered graphics is slow, and optimisations that they're already thinking about doing (e.g., refreshing only the parts of the window that need updating. These optimizations will speed up all graphics, including youtube playback. How much these optimisations will improve video playback, I don't know. It will, however, have a positive impact.

Hans
magnetic
Published: 2012/2/19 0:24  Updated: 2012/2/19 0:24
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
Quote:
I just wouldn't want to see anyone's hopes falsely raised.


*sigh* obviously the speed would have to improve to collect the bounty.... besides why fight with a user when the devs already stated this?
ChrisH
Published: 2012/2/19 9:43  Updated: 2012/2/20 22:54
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
@Hans
I did read the Readme, and I agree that graphics optimisations should have *some* effect on YouTube speed... but I also suspect that video-specific optimisations will be needed to get performance anywhere near MPlayer or DvPlayer speeds. (And I'm not sure if any video-specific optimisations are currently planned - so I'm going to play it safe & assume they aren't - until we know better. I vagely recall some comments about the Alpha which suggest they weren't, but plans can of course change.)

Quote:
I'm afraid that I have to disagree with you here. There is nothing in my statement that suggests that I'm speaking for anyone but myself.

I guess I was objecting to the use of the extremely certain phrase "will improve" (rather that say "should improve" or "will hopefully improve") immediately before the mention of slow YouTube performance, and immediately followed by mentioning the Friedens.

IMHO that could have been misinterpreted to mean that the Frieden's were guaranteeing that YouTube performance would significantly improve. Anyway, I will drop this now... My main aim was to ensure that no-one did interpret it like that.
Hans
Published: 2012/2/19 22:06  Updated: 2012/2/20 7:27
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
@ChrisH

I wasn't going to comment further, but this is a bit too annoying to drop.

Quote:
I guess I was objecting to the use of the extremely certain phrase "will improve" (rather that say "should improve" or "will hopefully improve") immediately before the mention of slow YouTube performance, and immediately followed by mentioning the Friedens.


Video playback in Timberwolf really *will* get better as they (the Friedens) work on accelerating and optimising the graphics. I'm confident enough on this to use "will" instead of "should", and I am equally confident that the Friedens will be doing the work. Note that I have said nothing about how much it will be improved; you're the one who added the "up to mplayer/dvplayer speeds" part. The improvement should be clearly noticeable (it's at 1 fps or less right now), but I can't say if it will eventually be perfectly smooth or not. Conversely, simply mentioning the Friedens by name does not constitute speaking for them, or making guarantees on their behalf.

I reiterate once again for everyone's benefit: I do NOT speak in any "official capacity" for Hyperion Entertainment, the Friedens, or anyone else other than myself. Also, please resist the temptation to try to read between the lines; you're very likely to jump to incorrect conclusions if you do that.

Hans
agafaster
Published: 2012/2/22 17:33  Updated: 2012/2/22 17:33
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 Re: Timberwolf Goes Beta!
Followed the link to where I should've tried first, but I note that the blurb on friedenhq states OS4.1 U4 required, but OS4depot indicates that update 5 is the minimum.
I assume this is an oversight, as I thought Update5 was for X1000 users of OS4.1 ?

I'm going to assume that update 4 is fine for an aging AmigaOne XE (G3), but the text should probably be corrected...
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