@Antique

I was about to ask that now, really.
Wonder about the same, too.

@Chris

I like what you said, Chris, and it's so true. That's why PPC is the best choice for the Amiga. It's so easy to believe that x86 is the best solution for the Amiga. It clearly isn't, and for many reasons...

The future is interesting, indeed..

@orgin

I guess none of us quite know the main reason for Hyperion to take action against this..

But i actually asked Trevor in a private mail.
Perhaps he knows something? We'll see..

Don't think it's anything more to say.
I feel insulted because Amiga is very
personal to me. It has been since 1985.
Amiga is my life. That's why it's very personal
to me..

It doesn't seem you care so much about the Amiga.
Why being a member of an Amiga site if you don't
care about the Amiga, and takes it personal?
Shouldn't we fight for a better future for the
Amiga if we are to care about the platform?
I'm giving my life to fight for the Amiga to
be where it belongs in the future. A-EON,
Hyperion and ACube have the best visions
for the future of the Amiga. There is no reason
to doubt that..

When you said the last word "Please, just stop",
it indicated i was right that you underestimate
the PPC-technology of today, but enough of that
really. We both have been wrong for some reasons,
in different circumstances..

I'm willing to admit my mistakes, if you are willing to admit yours. Together we can improve ourselves. It's true humanity to do mistakes, and becoming a better human by admiting them and improving on them..

That's all for now. You have a nice day, sir..

@orgin

I can admit that i have been wrong, but i also see that you underestimate the modern technology of PowerPC-development the way it happens today...

While although an x86-version of AmigaOS surely would help a lot, we should probably ask if this actually is the best solution for the Amiga? Porting all PPC-applications that run under the PPC-version of AmigaOS4 will take a lot of time and strenght. Do the Amiga companies have time and money to invest in an x86-version? For Commodore USA to use AROS might be a good choice, but AROS is STILL the clone of AmigaOS. AmigaOS is the true, native Amiga-system to be run on true Amiga hardwares. In this case,
PPC...

IBM is still making new POWER-chips, and they even brought up a 4.7Ghz server-system based on POWER-7
architecture, making this the world's fastest and most powerful server system up-to-date? Saying that PPC
is dead and weak is like saying that Santa Claus is real!
In addition, there are several players on the scene developing different PPC-processors based on modern POWER-architecture. We got Freescale, we got IBM,
and we also have the previous P.A Semi. PPC is far from dead. It has jus been rebornt in new, modern ways!

Remember that x86 and PPC work in quite different ways to each others. Both have their strenght and weakness, but i would say that PPC has gotten a whole new beginning. Not only are several PPC chips going 64-bit, but several also include multi-core and great compatibility with 32-bit...

With this edvidence, we can agree that you as well have been wrong about something, too. I think it's quite fair and true to say. Don't take it personal. At least i don't, even that Amiga is very personal and important to me..

@orgin

You still didn't explain why Hyperion intend to bring this case to the court. It doesn't matter who was wrong or right about this, because the whole situation regarding the announcement of Commodore USA to use AROS is both
disturbing and confusing...

My impression is that you show off quite a form of arrogance just because you feel you are right.
You might be right, but there is no excuse to
be arrogant. Arrogance will lead to the dark side..

I will advice you to keep your arrogance under control,
and give a better, more neutral answer. At least i am trying to do that..

@Chris

You pointed it out in a much better way than i would be able to do. Thanks, mate

@ssolie

It seems that several of us have been misunderstanding the Commodore USA-situation, so it's not without surprise it's pretty much confusing..

@orgin

I see. If that is the case what you say, then explain to the community why Hyperion will bring this case to the court with their laywers in USA. There is clearly a reason for that, and Hyperion pointed it out quite clear it had something to do with violating the settlement...

Perhaps i might have been wrong about something, but still i made a very clear point. Instead of accusing a person like me for being wrong, see if you have an excellent answer to why Hyperion intent to let their laywers investigate the case..

Many of the members in this topic suspected much of the same as i did, so it seems that several were wrong too as well..

@Troels and all

It can be misunderstanding however, but it's clear that this is a violation to the settlement, according to Hyperion themselves..

Ok, to clear this up. AROS is based on Open-Source AmigaOS 3.1 codes. Most components of AROS being open-source-related. Still, according to the settlement Hyperion won,
they own the rights to use whe whole AmigaOS-concept,
being AmigaOS 3.1, 4 and beyond, to develop along with
compatible Amiga-systems designed to run AmigaOS natively.

There, now it should sound as right as possible. It's also what i understand from this..

@orgin

Meaning that Hyperion Entertainment OWN the source codes to everything related to AmigaOS, including AmigaOS 3.1, 4 and beyond.

If Amiga Inc simply asked Hyperion for a license to use AROS in Commodore USAs' line of Amiga-branded PCs, then that would have been better. Since they didn't ask Hyperion, they violated the settlement Hyperion won..

Fairly easy to understand if one reads twice..

@All

Well, no matter what happens around this Commodore-thing, it's for me a name that died in 1994 when the original Commodore went bankrupt. They had the chance with the original Amiga, and couldn't do it anymore...

AROS might seem like an interesting direction for x86-systems, but doesn't provide anything new or special like the native AmigaOS4 systems designed to run on PPC-systems only, at least for now on..

Therefore, i want the real thing and not an Amiga-clone running clone-OSes. AmigaOne X1000 and SAM460ex are
REAL Amiga-systems running the native AmigaOS4, just like
PPC-hardwares are real running MorphOS...

I'm still saving my money for the AmigaOne X1000, and i am not even sorry that i am saving for it. I'm proud of it and this will be the thing allowing me to come home again, to the Amiga community where i belong.

Also, this link should strenghten the belief that this is clearly a violation to the settlement, according to Hyperion themselves. If there are real Amiga-companies i entrust,
then that are Hyperion Entertainment, ACube and A-Eon..

Check the link here: Amiga Inc violate the settlement again..

"In 30 September 2009, Hyperion Entertainment and Amiga, Inc reached settlement agreement where Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x and subsequent versions of AmigaOS (including AmigaOS 5 without limitation).[12] Hyperion has assured the Amiga community that it will continue the development and the distribution of AmigaOS 4.x (and beyond), as it has done since November 2001".[13]

If you remember how AROS is developed, it should be mentioned that AROS is built around the Open Source-codes of AmigaOS 3.1. Hyperion Entertainment therefore owns not only everything related to the main AmigaOS and its' source codes, but also the Boing Ball logo and the AmigaOne brand. This is clearly a violation against the settlement Hyperion Entertainment won..

@Troels

You are right about that one. This might be confusing, so there might be another reason to bring it to the court again..

@orgin

There is a problem with that news announcement.
While it might be true that Commodore USA has
acquired the Amiga brand name to use for their
line of PCs running AROS, they did NOT gain the
name from Hyperion Entertainment, who owns
the rights now, but from Amiga Inc..

According to Hyperion themselves, this is a
clear violation of Hyperions' rights..

Expect Amiga Inc to be sued again for violating
the law where Hyperion owns the rights..

The conlusion is that we shouldn't worry about this,
as we should focus on SAM460ex and the AmigaOne X1000 as normal.

@All

I'm still saving for the final version of AmigaOne X1000, so it shouldn't be too long now.



I hope many of you will consider to port Wolfenstein - Return To Castle and Enemy Territority to AmigaOS4,
especially now that a MorphOS-port is underway.

@ChrisH

I got this personal mail from Trevor himself sent from A-EON. Although, i'm not qualified as a Beta-tester of this calibre, i do appreciate this information as any other news regarding the progress of the X1000 and AmigaOS4 for the X1000...

@Hans

You're really doing an amazing job with these drivers! Take good time, and support for R800-chipset will come when the other drivers are done, like you say.

I have faith

@Antique and all

I don't think that should be much of a problem working on the 5000-series (R800-chipsets) support to use in X1000...

Once the final X1000 is ready for the end-users, a couple of changes to the hardware spesifications could have been made, so i guess we are into a great surprise here..

@Rogue

Ok, i see the difference. Doing 64-bit would mean a completely stand-alone AmigaOS that is only 64-bit,
but then the compatibility with 32-bit remains..

Perhaps you are trying to say that 64-bit would have
to be considered once AmigaOS4 is fully completed,
and then ready to take the next step, that would probably
be 64-bit or something completely different from what AmigaOS4 is...

I guess with what you are saying, it would be (for now, that is) to push the 32-bit support to the absolute maximum and making the very best out of it. I'm sure there are different methods to do that. Finding the best ones might be more tricky..

I have faith that everything will come out right in the end. Multi-core support will be extremely useful in 32-bit OSes,
alongside Java-support, OpenGL and all the remaining parts that "complete" an OS..

@Antique

You both are right. Although, i believe 64-bit support in AmigaOS would be far more successful than seen in Windows, it might not be much necessary at the moment.

Still, i love the thought of both full 64-bit support and multi-core support..

@djrikki

You are right. The Dual-core will do greatly even in 32-bit mode, and should give the OS4 team plenty of time to work on great 64-bit support when that time comes..

I'm so excited!