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Software News : Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga and Amiga-like systems.
Posted by spotUP on 2012/3/19 15:40:00 (1692 reads) News by the same author
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There has been a fair amount of talk recently about unity and co-operation between all of the Amiga camps (AmigaOS 3.x, AmigaOS 4.x, AROS and MorphOS). Many of us are tired of the divisions that cause many arguments and slow down progess. What we'd like to see is more co-operation between developers and users, just like we had in the good old days.

We now have an opportunity to make progress with this, by supporting the bounty that will open-source the well known and popular Directory Opus Magellan 2 desktop environment.

The bounty is hosted on the Power2People website, which has consistently proven to be trustworthy. Here is a direct link to the bounty:
http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/64

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The purpose of the bounty is to collect sufficient funds to purchase the source code of GPSoftware's Directory Opus Magellan II (version 5.82, AmigaOS) for free use on Amiga (and Amiga-like) systems, under the AROS Public License, a derivative of the Mozilla Public License 1.1.

The bounty will be completed when $5600 USD has been raised (now we have 1700, 3900 still left), which gives enough money to meet the price GPSoftware has set for the release of the program source code to a public SVN repository.

So what will the release of the Directory Opus Magellan II source code mean? Firstly, we will have the sources of one of the best pieces of classic Amiga software ever created, free for any Amiga fan to use.

Secondly, as the program will be open-source, developers from all of the Amiga camps will be free to work on a common desktop environment, progressing the cause of unity between us.

Here's is a summary of the benefits, by separate platform, and in total:

--AROS--
Wanderer is the main desktop environment for AROS, but it's still in the early stages of maturity. Having Directory Opus Magellan will give AROS users a mature desktop environment they can use straight away. This takes the pressure away from Wanderer, as well as giving another choice for AROS users.

--AmigaOS4--
Whilst Workbench on OS4 is more polished than Wanderer on AROS, there are still some gaps in functionality that Directory Opus Magellan would be able to fill. Worth noting that, when the sources are available in the public SVN, there is already some os4 devs who want to plays with, exploring what is necessary to port it to OS4.

--MorphOS--
Ambient is the most advanced of all Amiga desktop environments, but there are still nice features found in Directory Opus Magellan II that aren't yet found in Ambient. Porting should be easy as the 68k version already works in MorphOS. To see how it looks running in MorphOS, check out jPV's tutorial

--OS3--
Even though official support for OS3 has stopped, there are still plenty of people interested in it, as well as unofficial addons/hacks. It is clear that there will be much interest in having updates to Directory Opus Magellan as well.

---The bigger picture: Progressing together---
The ports to the separate platforms are only the start of the story. The best news is any improvements made to this software will benefit everyone. Magellan II is great now for those that run it, but having access to the sources means we can make it even better for _ALL_ amiga and amiga like oses.

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Short FAQ:

Q: Why are we spending money on this when we can improve our own software instead? Isn't it easier to implement more features in AmigaOS than to spend money replacing it?
A: We don't have many developers, and those we do have are too busy with their own projects to start making a cross-platform desktop. Directory Opus Magellan will be a great way to get this done quickly. Also, the work to improve AmigaOS wouldn't transfer to other Amiga platforms, whereas this work would.

Q: Isn't this software really outdated? Look at those ugly icons!
A: It is no problem at all to replace the icons. As for the age of the software, even MorphOS users that have access to Ambient still sometimes use Directory Opus Magellan. AROS and AmigaOS4 users should enjoy having access to such feature-rich software, with many features not available in their current desktop choices (Workbench, Wanderer or Scalos).

Q: Why is it so much money?
A: $5600 USD sounds like a lot of money for one person, but if we all work together, little by little we can raise the necessary funds.

Q: Who will port it to [insert OS of choice]?
A: Porting software is much easier in comparison with writing software from scratch, pretty much any developer can do it sooner or later. A few developers have already expressed an interest in starting the porting work.

Q: This bounty will only open up the source code, why is this such a good thing?
A: Apart from the chance to port Magellan to all Amiga platforms, it also gives us the chance to improve it.

Q: If we don't reach the bounty target, can we reuse the money elsewhere?
A: Up until the point the target is reached, you always have the choice to receive a refund for the money you've donated.

Q: Has anyone signed a contract with GPSoftware, ensuring that the money we donate will be handled correctly?
A: Power2People are the organisation handling the donations, and have proved themselves to be trustworthy, even with larger sums of money.

So let's reach into our wallets, and show we really want to support unity in the Amiga community, bringing ourselves a great piece of software in the process. Here's the bounty link again:
http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/64

We already collect 1/3. We can do it for real !

Thank you all.


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ssolie
Published: 2012/3/20 15:51  Updated: 2012/3/20 15:51
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 Re: Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga ...
I contacted GPSoft myself a while back. The deal is for 5000 AUD and a small royalty on sales you get a license for the old source code.

I think that it is far too much money for such ancient code. Add to that there have been multiple attempts at porting Magellan already which have failed. That does not give me a good feeling so I consider the project risk to be high.

As for the public bounty, I don't like the AROS license requirement. Instead, put it under a much less complex license which has a chance of being enforced when push comes to shove.

Finally, I don't think Magellan has that much to offer AmigaOS 4.x. I would rather users put their money into projects like Filer or any of the other bounties on OpenAmiga.
kas1e
Published: 2012/3/20 16:07  Updated: 2012/3/20 16:14
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 Re: Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga ...
@ssolie
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I contacted GPSoft myself a while back. The deal is for 5000 AUD and a small royalty on sales you get a license for the old source code.


Thats new contact we do, and its not matter on sales and royalites. There is deal for get source code fully, and be able to use it on any amiga and amiga like os, as well as imporve it as we all wish. And you again mean only amigaos, what mean in case of your old contact it will be closed for all the others => not interested for users and developers from other camps

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Add to that there have been multiple attempts at porting Magellan already which have failed. That does not give me a good feeling so I consider the project risk to be high.


I do not know those developers who tryed to do it back in the past, but:

1). pretty possible they just was't skilled enough
2). developers mostly ego-centric, and fear to ask for help, that reasson of fail all the time
3). guru mediation says that they already have worked version, just some bits stop them to release it => i.e it was already ported, just legality boredom as usual.


That all not only for amigaos4, but also for aros, os3 and even morphos, i.e. for everything. And that is big pluse even for aos4, because as you know there is many good developers in other camps, who prove that they have good skills, and we all can do everything, and does not matter what problems and who have back in the past when tryint to port it.

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As for the public bounty, I don't like the AROS license requirement.


What wrong with it ? You can port it to any amiga or amiga like os, and use it with no problems. There is nothing more we all need.

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Finally, I don't think Magellan has that much to offer AmigaOS 4.x.


Are you for real ? I mean you really think that magelln has nothing to offer for aos4 ?

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I would rather users put their money into projects like Filer or any of the other bounties on OpenAmiga.


You think only about amigaos4, right ? But its about all the oses. We just put it on amigans just in case to found more donations as well from ppls who want to see it on aos4 too.

To add, did you see any updates of Filer in last year ? Im not. Will we even see new versions of Filer in future ? Pretty possible, but pretty possible that there will be not time for it on develoeprs side, and because of that Magelan can be good piece of software on aos4 as well.
kas1e
Published: 2012/3/20 16:31  Updated: 2012/3/20 16:31
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Joined: 09/11/2007
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 Re: Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga ...
@all
~2100 currently, ~3500 left.

ps. We also will try lately, when we will reach 3000, to contact gpsoft again,to ask that maybe 3000 is better than nothing , maybe we will be lucky.
AmiKit
Published: 2012/3/20 23:15  Updated: 2012/3/20 23:15
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Joined: 12/01/2006
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Comments: 515
 Re: Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga ...
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We also will try lately, when we will reach 3000, to contact gpsoft again,to ask that maybe 3000 is better than nothing , maybe we will be lucky.

Good idea!
BillE
Published: 2012/3/21 16:27  Updated: 2012/3/21 16:27
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Joined: 11/27/2006
From: Scarfskerry
Comments: 587
 Re: Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga ...
I loved Magellan when running OS3 on an A1200.

However, the XE and X1000 running OS4.1 and further mean that Magellan is *much* less important than it used to be.

If GPSoftware had any interest in the Amiga anymore they would still be producing for it themselves rather than asking money for really old code. They ditched us and now want cash from us - no way.

I'd rather donate to improving the OS4 workbench to have some of the Magellan functionality, a lot of it we won't even need .

I would also not be too happy any donation I spend going towards AROS. I spent a lot on my next gen Amigas and do not want to subsidise AROS cheapskates running a copied OS on cheap hardware.


BTW. I'd definately donate some more to get a further updated MUI-OWB running on OS4 !
kas1e
Published: 2012/3/21 17:01  Updated: 2012/3/21 17:03
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Joined: 09/11/2007
From: Russia
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 Re: Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga ...
@BillE
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I'd rather donate to improving the OS4 workbench to have some of the Magellan functionality, a lot of it we won't even need .


The only problem, that no one trying to imporove workbench to even level of the filer, not saying about any of magellan features. Only few new bits here and here, but nothing really good. Wb still didn't have normal navigation panels in their windowses (which can be on/off). When all of this functionality will be added ? Pretty possible _very-very_ not soon, as we know all the other priorities. The same for Filer - no one know when works on it will continues.

The only solution for few next years (till , if ever, WB will be impoved radically or rewriten) its to have some wellknown piece of SW : magellan.

But sure, everyone feel free to donate or not.
cha05e90
Published: 2012/3/21 17:15  Updated: 2012/3/21 17:15
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Joined: 03/10/2009
From: Germany
Comments: 633
 Re: Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga ...
@kas1e

It's not only about "navigation buttons". If really someone is going to replace Workbench with something it has to work like a Workbench. Since Release 3.9 a lot of stuff (at least here) depends on the (in the meantime) rather comprehensive ARexx functionality. So it's not only the GUI - you need to carbon copy some more than that. Not impossible - but a "plain" port of Magellan would be more or less useless for me personally. One of the reasons why I never replaced my OS3.9 Workbench of my A2000s with a (unusable buggy) Scalos or the Magellan predecessors (DOpus 5.x). And this hard tasks had to be done *after* we spend already some thousands for the Magellan sources... Stay optimistic!
spotUP
Published: 2012/3/26 10:31  Updated: 2012/3/26 10:31
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 Re: Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga ...
hmmm my name haven't shown up in the list of donors yet?
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