So it really should be UNqualifier?

It seems rather silly to me. Since it comes as a system tool, I really think that it shouldn't override normal behaviour with unstandardized behaviour. Even more so considerigng that it isn't properly localized (standard menu items should really use the localized strings. Custom items would ofcourse be custom.).

Has anyone gotten the QUALIFIER-tooltype to work with anything but RIGHTBUTTON?

I ahve tried with QUALIFIER=MIDBUTTON, as the manual says (SYS:Documentation/Commoditied/ContextMenus.doc), but it's still activated with right button. I've tried MIDDLEBUTTON and other things I could think of, but nothing seems to change the right button behaviour.

AmigaOS 4.1.1
A1 XE G4 800MHz - Radeon 7000
test.blend render time = 14:25.25

Doesn't the OS4-developers have a working GDB to use? Or atleast some kind of updated SDK?

I mean, even the slightest error in code make the whole Miggy go down without GDB. I really miss having GDB.

I understand it takes time to create a installer for the SDK, but a plain archive would be ok with me... I think. A "no strings attached"-archive.

@billt

Well, for JAmiga, I think there are two main points that needs focus initially:

1. Getting JAmiga to run somewhat stable for Java 1.4
2. Get java 1.5 to run (and eventually 1.6, and then 1.7)

A Java compiler would also be great, but actually not needed to get the first two steps going.

These two steps can be worked on in parallel. I've been in contact with Peter aswell, and he is positive to getting a project group together.

The third point would be to get stuff like AWT and other classes working, and I believe the third step could be worked on, when step 1 is begun, and Jamiga can be run relatively stable.

And, to answer your question: I know Java from a programmers point, but mostly for server programs. But as an Amiga-programmer, AWT would be nice, and network stuff. Classes for sound would be nice aswell, but the implementations of sound stuff that I've seen are often hardware- and OS-dependent, so that might be a bigger step, but other basic stuff would be "relatively" "easy".

@Antique

GNU Findutils

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So something like "find" and "search" on Amiga.
I'm guessing its a bit faster if you use the database-things.

@Hans

I have mailed the info@-address, but without answer. I tried directly to Peter W now. I'll report any progress.

The best would be to get access to both sourceforge and jamiga.org, so th project atleast can show some signs of activity.

@Hans

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Yes, I have a version compiling and crashing v 1.4, and one that runs with 1.5 but throws evil exception.

I however have no write access to the sourceforge. I also can't remeber which version I have on my harddrive, but I think the version in the CVS is the old CPP-base, and I have the one in the archive (v0.0.5) at the jamiga.org-site.

I think that getting JAmiga running with GNU classpath would initally be a good idea.
Ditching GNU CP, would imho only be time consuming. GNU classpath v 0.13 works with JAmiga already. If we could get JAmiga running ok with GNU classpath, I guess we could relatively easy make it work with OpenJDK.

Basically, something working is better than something not developed at all.

With the current GNU CP I think there is a class loading problem since there a few changes from 1.4 to 1.5 (generics etc). The problem, if I remeber lies with java.lang.Reflect.
Trying with 1.4 CP, last time I tried JAmiga crashed.. don't know why.

I have been looking at JAmiga, and have tried to get the GNU classpath
for Java 1.5 to work with it. But thats where I'm stuck right now.

As I see it, the work can initially be divided into getting Java 1.4 running stable with JAmiga, and getting Java 1.5 running at all.

If anyone is interested I might try to collect some info on what I've done so far.

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Well, I started out with the classpath, maanged to cross-compile it, moved it to the Miggy and tried with JAmiga. JAmiga refused, since it supports 1.4 and not 1.5. I prevously looked at JAmiga and got the binary running on OS4 with the supplied 0.12 Classpath. Wanting 1.5, I looked at Kaffe, tried the old 68k binary which didn't work (needed ixemul). I think I looked at the source, but for some reason I didn't go on with it. I found JamVM which seemed small and overseeable, and thus tried with that.

For JamVM, I have replaced all pthread calls with Amiga-Tasks (since there are a few pthread-functions used, not supported in the Amiga-implementation), and have got it to run. I however get some Elf reloc-issues that I really don't get. I'm guessing some sort of linking/shared/static-issue.

Anyways, today I looked at the JAmiga sources I have on my harddrive and got them to compile. But now I'm stuck on 1.5 stuff. After this, there are however lots to do with JAmiga. Its only version 0.0.5, compared to JamVM's 1.5.3. JamVM is actually used for real (Eclipse Tomcat, etc), and JAmiga can run only a few classes from 1.4.

Basically JAmiga would be great, since it has Amiga-native libraries and is rather Amiga. But JamVM could perhaps do more with a smaller effort.
Well, I'll be hacking away on both, and see which one gets me to a runnable binary.

@ChrisH

Official? JAmiga vs JamVM or GNU Classpath vs.. Sun?

Anyway, I was just looking for something that could run Java quickly. And JamVM seemed nice and small, but JAmiga is Amiga-like. In the end its just a matter of choice.
Either way we need a classpath, and I managed to get 0.98 through a compiler, so I just wanted a VM to test it with.

I looked at JAmiga. It however only seems works for Java 1.4 (GNU classpath 0.15?) for now, so I abandoned it.

I have looked at JamVM, and got it to compile but there are a few strange probs I'm trying to understand and fix. JAmiga was not complete, looking at the code, I saw lots of things missing. It is nice with a native Java-implementation, but JamVM seems more complete, and it is used more widely so it might be a better bet.
I think I got the classpth 0.98 to build, but it was kind of difficult to test it without a VM :).
However, don't expect anything from me sometime soon. I'm just na?vely trying.

I just noticed that the clock image of the clock docky (SYS:Utilities/Dockies/Clock.docky) changed from the dull four-color ruff one to a nice multicolor AISS-inspired square anti-aliased clock around the 090909, I assume around the time 09:09.09.

Or was that a feature I haven't noticed before?

This was on OS4.1.

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Yes. But they have one for english, right? You can't sell it, but couldn't you use it for personal use? And I've seen some kind of open source collection of speech data. I don't know how much data they had, but its an interesting project.

Would be nice to do some sort of automatic collection tool, so users of the recognizer could collect data transparently. I have no idea of how much data you would need to get a simple word recognizer? For a large vocabulary recognizer you do need a sizeable amount of data.

There is Sphinx from Carnegie Mellon University. Sphinx-3 exists in a C/C++ version, and there is a Sphinx-Lite which might be more portable(?). I've looked at it, but as usual, I have had no time to really look at it.

[quote=pjs]Or have their own working OS4 compile of JAmiga?[/quote]

I installed the package found on the web, and also installed the classpath. The docs are rather good if you follow them, so it isn't that hard.
I think I built it myself with GCC on OS4. I only tried the demos, but most of them works.

Now I'm basically trying to compile the latest GNU classpath (0.98), but I have not had much success yet. Time is as always lacking.

I guess I could make a archive of it and put it somewhere (although everything is reachable from somewhere). If there was something kind-of-working, perhaps more people would gain interest.

But, as I see it, the problem isn't the JVM-engine, but rather the classpath.

Hi,

I've been trying to use my Lacie USB external drive with both AOS4 and Windows Vista. I've tried it both pre-formatted, and formatted it as FAT32 from Windows Vista using fat32format.

I have the drive showing up in both OS4 and Windows. But if I copy a file to it on OS4, I can only see it from OS4, and vice versa, if I copy a file on Windows, I can only see it on Windows.

It seems they are reading and using different areas of the disk. Has anyone else noticed the same problem?

I really like to use the disk from OS4 and my PC to transfer files and so, and I know I can do the same thing by going Samba or burning CD:s, but I really like to use this drive. I don't care if its slow and USB1 on OS4, it should work.

The drive is an external Lacie, 500GB (reported as 463,GB by both Vista and OS4).

I have never really understood if the 4GB-orwhatnot-limit is still valid these days, but I keep thinking: come on, its 2009!

Has anyone succesfully used a 500GB harddrive over USB on OS4?

@Curty

Ah, yes. I forgot those details in my upsetness. :)

Its an AmigaONe, G4 800MHz, one 512MB module (edited original post).

I find my OS4.1 setup rather unusable. Whenever I try to do something productive, ie use OWB, iBrowse, anything involving development, I find myself having freezes and lockups, always having to resort to reboot. Since this is rather annoying I try to use RDesktop to my Windows-machine, which most of the time works rather ok (been fiddling with some cross-compiling). Now recently even RDesktop seemed to crash with reboot as only solution.

I have not installed the latest updates to OS4.1, since my registration code doesn't seem to work (yes, I have payed for it; I bought it from Hast-Enterprises here in sweden). I contacted Hast, and they directed me to Hyperion. I've sent a few mails and got one reply, however my code still won't work (in the latest mail I sent my code, and after that I also sent a reminder mail).

I'm really getting tired of this, and, well, I wanted to know if anyone else has experienced lockups, and if the updates fixed them. As it is now my Amiga only works as a RDesktop interface to my PC.

I'd really like to try to develop something, but the constant reboots is really contra-productive.

My setup is rather clean. AISS is the only thing 3rd-party thing in my WBStartup.

Wasn't OS4.1 supposed to be more stable, as in crashing applications not locking the entire system? Or I have I dreamt that?

Oh, yeah, might mention I have a AmigaOne G4, 800MHz, one memory module with 512MB (used to be 512+256, but removed the 256 to see of lockups stopped). I probably shoudl remove anything not absolutely necessary before complaining. But the SCSI-card mostly sits there doing nothing.
I also have a SCSI-card (LSI53c8xx), Radeon 7000 and a Soundblaster card.