os4 japanese support

@olfa

Would that be the AmigaDE SDK? If so, it's not going to help. Download the OS4 SDK from here. Next, look at this site to get the cross-compilers and instructions on setting them up. It's no-where as easy as installing the SDK on a real Amigaone but it'll have to do for now.

Hans

@olfa

thank you for your reply,
here's a picture of text in post #16



Tetisoft said you can contact him by mail to help JKFF port.

And I can give you my amigaone with os4 to help you.

if you are not using my amigaone, other option is cross-compile for os4 from linux.
http://www.zerohero.se/cross/os4.html

@Hans

Thank you for tell me about OS4 SDK.
I downloaded two archives.

Please wait finish Step1 with about 1 month.

@olfa

great! thanks for your support! :)
if i can help let me know please.

i'm eager to see any progress report or screenshots.. ;)

@keisangi

Sorry for no progress report.
Because I have many minutes(30-60) for create english statement.
Please watch current state.
http://www.phoenix-c.or.jp/~olfa/jkff/index.html

I think not need PPC version, if OS4.0 accept m68k commodities.

@olfa

thanks for your reply but i think JKFFDisp version 1.12 doesn't work on OS4 final.
not even for 68k programs. i tryed ibrowse2.4 and some other 68k text editor. it just show garbage (mojibake)

it worked on previous version of OS4 though (OS4 pre3) but not anymore. Or i didn't set tooltypes correctly ?

i will watch JKFF page.

@keisangi

JKFFDisp(m68k) is patch to font table on m68k world.
PPC program not use this table,
then JKFFDisp not work.

JKFFInput(m68k) is one of commodities,
and convert input event on commodities stream (future).

If OS4.0 have only one stream for commodities,
and if OS4.0 accept m68k commodities,
then m68k commodities chain to PPC commodities stream.

@keisangi

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How do you use JKFFInput? I tried to use the new version Alfa just released on his site, but it doesn't seem to do anything although it does show up under the Status command.

@Valiant

Sorry for no guide my page.
JKFFInput Ver0.01 work only appear/disappear window.
Is JKFFInput work appear/disappear?
Please try key combination "ctrl + o".

I programming JKFFInput now.

@olfa

I'm on OS4Final

JKFFInput can be started, is accepted by Commodities,
can be "Show'ed", "Hide'd" and "Remove'd" by Commodities.

Short: It's working under OS4

@olfa

Yes JKFFInput version 001 work on OS4 !
(comodity system work)
i just tried it, good work Olfa :)

@Valiant

hi there
Olfa is the one who develop JKFF.
JKFF is a two part program:

1 part is "JKFFDisp" which enable amigaos to display japanese.

2 part is "JKFFInput" which enable japanese text to be typed on amigaos. it's an input method editor (IME / FEP) front end processor.

the new version alpha is just to try compatiblity with os4 comodity system, i think.

JKFFDisp doesn't work on os4 yet. (it worked on previous release but with only 68k programs) but now even with 68k progs don't work anymore on os4 final i think.
unless i'm mistaken on the tooltypes.

@olfa

Quote:

Yes, JKFFInput appears in the Commoditiy Exchange and
"ctrl + o" shows the interface. So I guess it's also working on my A1 here.

@keisangi

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So how do you use JKFFInput to type Japanese text?

@Valiant

Olfa is working on a new version for OS4.
the previous version worked for AmigaOS between 1.3 to 3.9 and Morphos and Amithlon etc ..

In the past i used JKFFDisp to display japanese, but i didn't used his input method (JKFFInput) too much. A friend on Morphos and me, we both created an IME from scratch,
called Charabia. So i could use Olfa's JKFFDisp to display Japanese and Charabia to input Japanese.
I still have the source somewhere if needed.
but it wasn't that great to use, you had to enter text using the mouse on a virtual keyboard displayed on screen.
I think Olfa's JKFFInput is far better. it's just at that time i didn't understand how to use it.. and couldn't read properly the docs to learn to do so.

So, my Japanese wasn't good enough to read the docs fully (JKFFInput), and i tryed it a bit but i've found it was a bit tricky to use.
This was 4 years ago maybe a bit more?
In the meantime Olfa port JKFFInput to OS4, you can still try the previous 68k versions which should work on 68k AmigaOS at least..(not sure for OS4). i don't remember from the small tests i did how to use it though.

On Olfa's website there's the docs, written in Japanese (he took screenshots of it) so even if you can't display Japanese you can read it as pictures.

here it's 23:30, i go to bed.
tomorow i will try to read them again and post here a small overview in english.


edit: so basicaly:
- the new version isn't usable yet.
- and the old versions: i don't know if they work on os4.
but you could try from inside UAE eventualy.
but since you cannot display japanese, you wouldn't even see what you're typing... even if it worked i mean.
well, except if you try from inside UAE this way everything should work as expected.

@(to all)

Update JKFFInput. Please look my page.
http://www.phoenix-c.or.jp/~olfa/jkff/index.html

OS4 dose not need JKFFDisp.
Because OS4 can display kanji already.

OS display / input
OS3.9 JKFFDisp / JKFFInput
OS4.0 (inside OS) / JKFFInput

@olfa

I tested JKFF version 002 here are the results:

http://keisangi.free.fr/amiga/jkff002test.jpg
http://keisangi.free.fr/amiga/jkff002test2.jpg
http://keisangi.free.fr/amiga/jkff002test3.jpg
http://keisangi.free.fr/amiga/test.utf

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It seems Notepad doesn't save the file correctly.
(the name changed: editpad --> notepad)

In jkff002test2.jpg i tested with a file i created from PC (in unicode) result is good.

With same settings, files created with Notepad: result is not ok.

The program we use to display japanese is: "Typemanager".
I installed linux font "sazanami" from debian linux.

thank you for your efforts.

@keisangi

Quote:You have to change the "Text type" in TypeManager to "Unicode in UTF-8".

@Olfa


**
it works with JKED!
**
please see:
http://keisangi.free.fr/amiga/jkff002test4.jpg
http://keisangi.free.fr/amiga/jkff002test5.jpg
with AntiAliasing (AA)!


i tested also:
68k editpad from os3.9 result: no good
Ed (68k os3.9) and Ed (OS4 PPC?) result: no good
CED (the old demo from aminet 1987) result: no good




@joerg

yes you're right, thank you :)
i've just tryed it out:
http://keisangi.free.fr/amiga/jkff002test3.jpg
it seems "text type" change itself automaticaly.
so when i tryed with notepad, it didn't changed automaticaly.. means it couldn't recognize the text type maybe? with the files i created from my PC and the ones i created with JKED, Typemanager's sample text function "text type" change automaticaly to "unicode in utf-8".