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Software News : New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
Posted by Chris on 2008/10/18 18:11:14 (3166 reads) News by the same author
Software News

A new preview of NetSurf (SVN 5591) has been released ahead of a final 2.0 version and prior to new SAM440 owners getting their hands on OS4.1.

There have been a number of enhancements since the first public beta two months ago, but there is still much to do.

Summary of new features:
* Tabbed browsing
* Can export pages as source, plain text and PDF
* Proper hotlist, global history and cookie browsers
* Hotlist items can be added to the menu
* SSL and authentication
* File uploading now possible
* Basic theming support
* ARexx port
* Graphical rendering improvements
* Many minor bugfixes and changes in both the port and the core NetSurf code

Download it here


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Chris
Published: 2008/10/18 18:24  Updated: 2008/10/18 18:25
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
Thanks again to everybody who donated last month.

There is also an Italian translation included and probably a number of other new things that I've forgotten.

I should be demoing NetSurf at MAG Bash on the 1st November, if anybody wants to come and see it in action or ask questions.
samo79
Published: 2008/10/18 19:03  Updated: 2008/10/18 19:03
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From: Italy, Perugia
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
Thanks for including my italian translation

Now all we need is some Netsurf's grabs for the scene
Tuxedo
Published: 2008/10/18 19:11  Updated: 2008/10/18 19:20
Not too shy to talk
Joined: 11/28/2006
From: Perugia, ITALY
Comments: 339
 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
NICE!!!!!!!
And in italian too!!!!
Only one BIG problem...
Cant use mouse whell to scroll...nooo.... .-P
Naturally i'm jokeing because I know that's a development version...

GOOD WORK!


EDIT:
I found 4 things to signal.

1 - When writing messages I cant select with mouse leftclick and drag because the selected area was "random2 on screen andr7or locks amigAOs4.1 and have to soft-reboot.

2 - when looking at screen captures of other wb trying to scroll was REALLY SLOW...................

3 - ww.amigaeworld.net wasnt rendered correctly...

4 - general stability wasnt so high...especially if I do something else on Netsurf meanwhile it was loading pages....

only youth problems however :)

go on this way!!!!!!
samo79
Published: 2008/10/18 19:20  Updated: 2008/10/18 19:20
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
@Tuxedo

Segnalami ogni eventuale problema con la traduzione, io qui non avendo OS4 non posso provare o testare nulla :-/

@all
Sorry for italian, just a little conversation about the translation
Tuxedo
Published: 2008/10/18 19:23  Updated: 2008/10/18 19:33
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From: Perugia, ITALY
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
@samo79:

It seems ll ok! :)


@chirs

Any idea when the site's small icons that appear near site name will be supported?
Browsing via tabs was really usefull to choose tab with a single look...
TSK
Published: 2008/10/18 19:52  Updated: 2008/10/18 19:54
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From: Finland, the land of Santa, sauna, sisu and salmiakki
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
@Chris
I got system freeze when browsing www.iltalehti.fi. Otherwise nice progress with this browser. Please, add mouse wheel support.
Chris
Published: 2008/10/18 21:54  Updated: 2008/10/18 21:54
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@Tuxedo

Quote:
1 - When writing messages I cant select with mouse leftclick and drag because the selected area was "random2 on screenandr7or locks amigAOs4.1 and have to soft-reboot.


I'm aware of this one. whenever i tried to get some debug info though, it decided to work. I've managed to reproduce it twice and get an error message during the cause of writing this so it'll probably get fixed now. The RISC OS version has some special handling for text selection in text boxes, so I probably need to take a closer look at that.

Quote:

2 - when looking at screen captures of other wb trying to scroll was REALLY SLOW...................


The joys of BitMapScale() I was considering caching the scaled version but wasn't sure if NetSurf would start looking at the scaled one permanently. I never got round to trying it, but yes, this does need fixing.

Quote:

3 - ww.amigaeworld.net wasnt rendered correctly...


Looks ok here. what's wrong?

Quote:

4 - general stability wasnt so high...especially if I do something else on Netsurf meanwhile it was loading pages....


If the culprit is ami_switch_tab then you should be able to continue/ignore without too many ill effects. Try not to switch tabs too quickly after opening them. This is pretty high on my fix list.

Quote:

Any idea when the site's small icons that appear near site name will be supported?
Browsing via tabs was really usefull to choose tab with a single look...


The RISC OS version has them, and I was going to take a look at how it does it as one of my next jobs. I don't think i can add them to the tabs unfortunately, clicktab.gadget isn't that flexible (I can't put the close gadgets on the tabs for the same reason) and I'm not prepared to write my own replacement clicktab.gadget. Perhaps this is one for Orgin's OpenAmiga project?

@TSK
Quote:
I got system freeze when browsingwww.iltalehti.fi


Works here. Resized Image

Any particular page? Another site that was causing system freezes seems to be working now as well.

Quote:
Please, add mouse wheel support.


I was hoping OS4.1 would automagically add that If it waits for me, it waits for keyboard navigation.

Chris
samo79
Published: 2008/10/18 22:17  Updated: 2008/10/18 22:17
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
@Tuxedo

Quote:
Any idea when the site's small icons that appear near site name will be supported?
Browsing via tabs was really usefull to choose tab with a single look...


The real name of this is favicon

As Chris say maybe is a quite difficult to implement using the actual Reaction GUI, Sputnik doing that more easily thanks to MUI
Chris
Published: 2008/10/19 12:07  Updated: 2008/10/19 12:07
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
@samo79

and, having had a quick look at the relevant code, I notice the RISC OS favicon display isn't actually a favicon display at all - it's based on the content-type of the document. If the core code isn't extracting it, there's little I can do to display it.
Tuxedo
Published: 2008/10/19 12:37  Updated: 2008/10/19 12:37
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
OK...
favicons can wait...or maybe switch to mui gui(that have mouse wheel scroll incorporated too)?
Most important things to do before no?
samo79
Published: 2008/10/19 13:56  Updated: 2008/10/19 13:56
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
Reworking NetSurf on MUI it seems a huge work, maybe would be cool if someone of Hyperion/contributors read this post and improve Reaction and the various gadgets

We really need that :-/
Tuxedo
Published: 2008/10/19 15:02  Updated: 2008/10/19 15:02
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
@samo79

Yes...maybe someone will upgrade Reaction a bit...
Or maybe write some specifics classes for NetSurf...
Why not?
samo79
Published: 2008/10/19 15:14  Updated: 2008/10/19 15:14
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Because if someone upgrade the main OS4's classes all Reaction programs can benefits of it

Let Chris to work on NetSurf itself
TSK
Published: 2008/10/19 18:54  Updated: 2008/10/19 18:54
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
Quote:
Quote:
@TSK
Quote: I got system freeze when browsingwww.iltalehti.fi

Works here.

Maybe it was random crash. I've had random crashes lately. I was a little bit too fast/hasty to report that "problem".

You were a little bit unlucky to take a screen grab of that particular page (negative news).
Chris
Published: 2008/10/19 20:34  Updated: 2008/10/19 20:34
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
@TSK

Quote:
You were a little bit unlucky to take a screen grab of that particular page (negative news).


There's a girl pole-dancing on the right though, takes the edge off
Jack
Published: 2008/10/19 23:40  Updated: 2008/10/19 23:42
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
Tabs immediately lured me to try it, but my first experience isn't too good so far
2 issues so far (1-st 2 sites I tried):

1. youtube crashes, consistently (no gr, soft reboot possible)

2. tried to login here to post this, the password is rejected (it is correct)

Jack
TSK
Published: 2008/10/20 17:35  Updated: 2008/10/20 17:35
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
@Chris
I tested NetSurf again. It uses big amounts of memory so I run out of memory easy. If there's 0-1 MB of free RAM left, if I click any gadget the system will freeze (f.ex. clicking screen depth gadget). So system freeze is system issue and not NetSurf issue. But like I said NetSurf uses a lot of memory.

Scrolling big pages is faster with NetSurf than OWB. But it uses more memory too.

Can you change NetSurf to use such type of memory which is swappable to disk ?
Chris
Published: 2008/10/20 19:35  Updated: 2008/10/20 19:35
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
@Jack

Quote:

1. youtube crashes, consistently (no gr, soft reboot possible)


Which page/link? I tested and it works here (can't view any videos of course). If you catch the NetSurf window deactivating, switch back to WB with LAmiga-N as there may be an assert message there (if this happens as soon as you click on the NetSurf window again the whole system freezes - probably Intuition deadlock of some kind)

Quote:

2. tried to login here to post this, the password is rejected (it is correct)


No idea. If it contains capitals try holding the shift key down way before pressing the key (caps lock won't work and uppercase is a bit "sticky")

@TSK

Yes, but it waits for me to install OS4.1. I'm not modifying memory allocations now as I won't know if I've broken something, although anything in the core code should be allocated swappable by newlib already. How much memory do you have? I have 512MB here and over half is showing as free - that's with two windows, two tabs, 1MB of crap in RAM: and TuneNet in the background (and God-knows-what-else not flushed from memory - possibly including some NetSurf cache, which can be reduced in the Options file). Tabs are more memory-efficient than windows, as I have an off-screen bitmap per window. Reducing the resolution of the screen NetSurf is running on will help too.

I'll see if i can do some memory optimisations, I can probably get away with just one off-screen bitmap and there's a chunk of temp memory that isn't needed much which I could probably do away with with a bit of modification.

Chris
Ricossa
Published: 2008/10/21 18:39  Updated: 2008/10/21 18:39
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From: Geneva CH
Comments: 227
 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
In this site :

http://www.cmkon.org

the greek text doesn't render (a fonts problem ? How do I chose another font?)
Chris
Published: 2008/10/21 19:03  Updated: 2008/10/21 19:03
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
@Ricossa

It's a local text encoding issue. Currently NetSurf converts pages to your local default character set. If you change your language to Greek and restart NetSurf you'll probably find the Greek text will display. I have some proper UTF-8 text print routines ready to go, but it has an alpha channel, and the functions for blitting such a thing to the screen is not in the current public SDK *sigh*.
RacerX
Published: 2008/10/22 3:12  Updated: 2008/10/22 3:12
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
A couple of quick things I've noticed;

1) no scroll wheel! I really miss that when it's gone.

2) Icons/pictures with a transparent background have a black background instead. for example, Origin's avatar under 'Top posters'.
Chris
Published: 2008/10/22 19:03  Updated: 2008/10/22 19:03
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
@RacerX

1) See the very end of post #7

2) See the very end of post #20

Chris
ChrisH
Published: 2008/11/7 12:00  Updated: 2008/11/7 12:53
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 Re: New NetSurf 2.0 preview release
I haven't used Netsurf yet (nor OS4 much yet as busy) but it would be great if you could add option for scrolling using the mouse pointer (by grabbing & dragging the page). i.e. Rather than highlighting text it will scroll the page - like in PDF readers.

I use the "Grab and Drag" add-on for Firefox, and find it quite hard to use OWB (and IE7) without that.
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