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Amiga Events : Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / interview with Simon Archer
Posted by daff on 2010/2/23 16:56:06 (3924 reads) News by the same author
Amiga Events

The magazine Obligement published today the review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1, the latest version of the Amiga operating system for AmigaOne (XE, SE, MicroA1), Sam440ep/Flex and Pegasos II.

This review come with an interview with Simon Archer, one of the AmigaOS 4.x developers.



- Review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1 (french) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles/amigaos41_update1.php
- Interview with Simon Archer (french) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles/itwarcher.php
- Interview with Simon Archer (english) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction/itwarcher_en.php


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Kicko
Published: 2010/2/23 17:30  Updated: 2010/2/23 17:30
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 Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / interview with Simon Archer
I like Rigo's short and simple answers :)

Thanks for the interview. Nice reading
328gts
Published: 2010/2/23 20:55  Updated: 2010/2/23 20:55
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good interview...i like the last comment the best though!..surely he did'nt mean people here though
logicalheart
Published: 2010/2/24 1:39  Updated: 2010/2/24 1:39
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 Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / interview with Simon Archer
So true! I laughed so much with the last line.
Hans
Published: 2010/2/24 2:52  Updated: 2010/2/24 2:52
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 Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / interview with Simon Archer
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good interview...i like the last comment the best though!..surely he did'nt mean people here though


Interestingly the people who are offended by Simon's bluntness don't post here.

Hans
Rigo
Published: 2010/2/24 3:04  Updated: 2010/2/24 3:04
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 Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / interview with Simon Archer
How do you know?

Simon
broadblues
Published: 2010/2/24 3:17  Updated: 2010/2/24 3:17
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 Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / interview with Simon Archer
Nice interview...
Hans
Published: 2010/2/24 6:26  Updated: 2010/2/24 6:26
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 Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / interview with Simon Archer
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How do you know?


Obviously I can't say that with 100% certainty, but those who have complained did so on a different forum, and I haven't seen them post here (under the same nickname). They also seem to be people who had little genuine interest in OS 4 to begin with.

Read into that whatever you wish.

Hans
drHirudo
Published: 2010/2/24 11:12  Updated: 2010/2/24 11:12
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Yes, its sad that people who will never buy AmigaOS 4 or AmigaOne machine, have so much energy to post negativity on the forums. The more sad facts is that it seems to affect AmigaOS 4 developers as seen by the interview.
Vulture
Published: 2010/2/24 11:59  Updated: 2010/2/24 11:59
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I don't know why Simon or any other OS4 developer should care at all what haters say. They won't buy anything OS4 related even if it gets all the features they complain it's missing. Just ignore them I say, there's still plenty of us in the community who care and support, not without constructive criticism of course.
kolla
Published: 2010/2/24 16:42  Updated: 2010/2/24 16:45
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I don't know why Simon or any other OS4 developer should care at all what haters say.
Indeed, why care what customers and potential customers say.

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They won't buy anything OS4 related even if it gets all the features they complain it's missing.
Nonsense, take me for example, I have bought OS4.0 and the only reason I havent bothered to buy OS4.1 is lack of motivation due to what I read about OS4 from the OS developers and release info.

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Just ignore them I say, there's still plenty of us in the community who care and support, not without constructive criticism of course.
Sure, ignore away.
orgin
Published: 2010/2/24 17:13  Updated: 2010/2/24 17:13
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 Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / interview with Simon Archer
@all

I will not allow this news thread to descend into a mud slinging match. If you feel like mudslinging I can recommend the PM functionality or the Too Hot To Handle forum.

http://www.amigans.net/modules/AMS/article.php?storyid=9
drHirudo
Published: 2010/2/24 17:13  Updated: 2010/2/24 17:13
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kolla, I think vulture was talking about the haters, not the people who comply with constructive criticism. Do you identify yourself as a hater?
ChrisH
Published: 2010/2/24 19:32  Updated: 2010/2/24 19:32
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@kolla Quote:
the only reason I havent bothered to buy OS4.1 is lack of motivation due to what I read about OS4 from the OS developers and release info.

And what exactly have you read? I can't think of anything that'd put me off (this interview excepted). OS4 keeps moving forward (and of course it is actions not words that are the best thing to pay attention to).
kolla
Published: 2010/2/24 22:01  Updated: 2010/2/24 22:01
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 Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / interview with Simon Archer
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Do you identify yourself as a hater?

I can't think of anyone I would identify as hater, myself included. OTOH I do identify myself with many who others like to name "haters", so I assume that for some I might be in that group as well.
HammerD
Published: 2010/2/24 22:22  Updated: 2010/2/24 22:22
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I can't think of anyone I would identify as hater, myself included. OTOH I do identify myself with many who others like to name "haters", so I assume that for some I might be in that group as well.


I hate u Kolla!!! :)
Controller
Published: 2010/2/24 22:28  Updated: 2010/2/24 22:28
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 Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / interview with Simon Archer
A very short interview but without any real news.

Some people take Simon's bluntness as being rude or arrogant. I just see them as him trying to be honest about his feelings.

I really think we should appreciate the work that Simon has done for us as a OS4 developer and with his own programs AmiUpdate and Codebench both of which are free of charge!

I have exchanged a few e-mails with him and he very friendly and helpful. This seems to be the case with all of the fellow amigans I have had contact with.

It is just sad that some people that don?t seem to be interested in Amiga in any of it?s shapes (OS4, OS3, AROS or even MorphOS) feel the urge to whine and find something negative about every new thing.

To Simon I salute your for all the work you have done for us. A big thumbs up to you
HammerD
Published: 2010/2/24 22:34  Updated: 2010/2/24 22:36
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@Controller

Rigo has done alot for OS4 and the Amiga in general over the years and continues to do so. I hope that continues to be the case.

He's probably done alot more than the majority of those people negatively commenting on his interview.

Measure by deeds not words.
Vulture
Published: 2010/2/24 23:07  Updated: 2010/2/24 23:09
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@kolla

1. Haters aren't potential customers. And they're not fictional, they do exist. No, I won't name them, I won't start a flame war.
2. I can't see how you're an example of what I wrote about. You didn't like what you read in the release info and skipped the product (4.1). Obviously (like everyone else), you're entitled to your opinion. Do you feel that makes you a hater???
3. Would it be better to have ppl fighting each other rather than ignore the haters who have their own stupid agenda to serve and only spread negativity for negativity's sake?

I really don't get why you responded to what I said in that manner and how you identified yourself as a hater ?!?!
HammerD
Published: 2010/2/24 23:12  Updated: 2010/2/24 23:12
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I really don't get why you responded to what I said in that manner and how you identified yourself as a hater ?!?!


Kolla is just an evil body
ChrisH
Published: 2010/2/25 9:31  Updated: 2010/2/25 9:31
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@Controller Quote:
Some people take Simon's bluntness as being rude or arrogant. I just see them as him trying to be honest about his feelings.

It is FAR too easy to miscontrue what Simon said, because he was extremely terse. He needs to make a single follow-up post to explain what he meant better.
Published: 2010/2/26 19:24  Updated: 2010/2/26 19:24
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I don't think it was easy to misconstrue what he said. Generally terseness reduces misunderstandings. I think you'd have to be a shrinking violet or bent on being offended to do so.

I think the problem comes down to most people know if they are in the 3% or not. Deep down. And its feeling the burn that is causing the chicken little reaction.

Most entertaining and more refreshing than 200 lines of pure insult dressed up as a compliment that one often gets.
Troels
Published: 2010/2/26 22:55  Updated: 2010/2/26 22:59
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 Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / interview with Simon Archer
If the percentage mentioned had been the other way around I think no one would ever complain because everyone knows there are trolls in this community.

But considering the size of the community and the way it was written I very well understand why people (over)react the way they do. I hope the words was not very well considered but I'm afraid they where since there has been no further comments from Rigo.

People call it a PR disaster, I say everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But some things are better kept to yourself and Rigo should IMHO never had posted that comment on Aw.net and should have thanked no to the interview.
ChrisH
Published: 2010/2/28 12:24  Updated: 2010/2/28 12:33
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@DaveP Quote:
I don't think it was easy to misconstrue what he said

To avoid repeating myself, I'll only point you here.

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Generally terseness reduces misunderstandings.

No: Words are usually very bad at conveying one's intentions (due to their vague meaning & varying interpretations), so it usually requires more words to be more precise.

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Most entertaining and more refreshing than 200 lines of pure insult dressed up as a compliment that one often gets.

Of course, more words don't necessarily make things clearer - that requires someone with clear thinking, good at expressing themselves, and honest intentions. More words can make things less clearer too, or worse (as you say).
Antique
Published: 2010/2/28 12:42  Updated: 2010/2/28 12:42
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Could someone translate the review of the update? Or write a little summary of the reivew in english? I'm more interested in that.
Published: 2010/2/28 15:07  Updated: 2010/2/28 15:07
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To avoid repeating myself, I'll only point you here.


aw.net? No thanks ;)

Quote:

Quote:


Generally terseness reduces misunderstandings.


No: Words are usually very bad at conveying one's intentions (due to their vague meaning & varying interpretations), so it usually requires more words to be more precise.


Disagree. If someone misunderstands generally a *conversation* is required where both people need an open mind. However, for example, how hard can "get over it" be to understand?


Quote:

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Most entertaining and more refreshing than 200 lines of pure insult dressed up as a compliment that one often gets.


Of course, more words don't necessarily make things clearer - that requires someone with clear thinking, good at expressing themselves, and honest intentions. More words can make things less clearer too, or worse (as you say).


Which brings you right full circle back to agreeing with me. People tend to take things how they want to.

It either bothers you that Rigo has an opinion of you that you might not like, or it doesn't.

Given Rigo isn't an official spokersperson of anyone other than Rigo, the whole "PR disaster" hand wringing is made quadruply entertaing.
sundown
Published: 2010/3/2 23:37  Updated: 2010/3/2 23:37
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@Antique

The last link given is in English.
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