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Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?
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Posted on: 2007/2/28 14:33
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There are some interesting opinions shared in this thread. Both sides have good points and to get OS4 on the PS3 looks now more like a two-edged sword to me.
I must admit that I am less optimistic now, because there are drawbacks that I did not hear about previously.
I find it disappointing that Sony does not allow direct access to the hardware, because they have constructed a layer in between where the OS has to run on. Such a layer conflicts with the Amiga ideals in my opinion. Because Amiga is responsive and sleek it doesn't feel good not to have direct hardware access.
It's such an interesting console, why not using it's full potensial?
The game market is another point that does not give me a good feeling in the stomach. In the small Amiga market it was already hard enough for commercial game producers like Hyperion to exist. But with Hyperion, nobody will buy Amiga games anymore, because the PS3 producers are much bigger and can produce much better games!
I would be interested to read Hyperions opinion on this. But maybe they have already decided to move out of the games market and fully concentrate on OS4 for Amiga and the embedded market.
I am not sure what their silence indicates. It could mean good or bad things. Let's hope everything goes well and many peoples can soon enjoy OS4. It doesn't really matter if on a Samantha or PS3. I wish ACube all the best and hope they will survive even with the Playstation.
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Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?
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Posted on: 2007/2/27 1:10
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@MikeB Great news. Now you only need to help Hyperion and Amiga Inc to make a deal with OS4 for the PS3! I can't think of a reason why they can be against it. It's an opportunity not to be missed. If you have more information or contacted Hyperion, please let us know. The Frieden brothers are very silent these days, maybe they are already working hard on the port to PS3?  Quote: With regard to my question opinions seem to be very mixed, Samantha surely seems like a great effort with potential for the embedded market. The mixed responses are very normal I think. Don't let them discourage you. When the other hardware was announced, there were also many negative peoples. But I think everybody will buy it when it appears in the stores. We don't have many choice, so Amiga-users will be open for everything. 
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Re: Amiga OS4 on PS3?? Not as cheap as some thought.
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Posted on: 2007/2/27 1:01
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@Mikey_C Quote: I agree that 600 Eur is a lot of money, but you also have to consider what you get for it. Especially when you compare CPU speed and other possibilities of the PS3 with Amy or Sam. The technology of the PS3 is much more advanced and to be honest the Amy looks outdated in comparison. If I can ever get OS4 running on PS3, my friends will be very impressed, I am sure! And you can also use it for PS3 games or watch high-res movies. It's not only the computer that you get. More like a multi-purpose device. And as Mike has said, prices might drop in the future. @mausle I agree 100%!
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Re: Fastest 3D card on Amiga
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Posted on: 2007/2/27 0:54
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@Jurassicc Quote:
Jurassicc wrote:
@ikir
Radeon 9100 and 8500 are the same card.
Its doubtful that there will be a 'working' 3D driver from Hyperion.
What might be the problem? These cards can't be much different from the other Radeon cards! If it is lack of documentation, how did the Morphos-peoples get it running with 3D? I don't think it's such a big difference though. Maybe it's better to directly go ahead with 9600 and 9800 for some super-fast 3D action.
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Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?
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Posted on: 2007/2/25 13:15
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@MikeB Quote:
MikeB wrote:
@Helge
From what I understand both Amiga Inc and Hyperion just want a larger piece of the cake (be that IP ownership, influence, money or whatever). Both positions look understandable to me.
In case of Hyperion it is very understandable. They have worked on the OS for a long long time and have invested loads and loads of money. I think they would agree on everything to get it out of the door and sell it to the peoples. With Amiga Inc. it is a bit different. They have the IP ownership and own the OS (because of buyback), but they don't seem to be very interested in doing anything with it. At least they have a bad image in the community, not completely without cause if you ask me! From an ethical POV, I hope that Hyperion will get a return for all their investments and the great risks they took! I don't care so much about Amiga Inc., but they are just a company, so they will do everything to maximise their profits out of the OS4 deal even if it means that others will go belly up. Only natural. Quote: But the longer this situation lasts the smaller the cake is actually going to be, so I am hopeful things gets sorted not too far in the future. It needs to be! Very true! They need to get it out of the door quickly otherwise there won't be anybody left! Talking about the cake, I have my concerns about the future of SAM when OS4 get's released for PS3. It will have a considerable impact on their sales, because the PS3 is much faster and not many will buy SAM anymore.  Another difficult ethical question. Support a huge unethical company (Sony), or peoples from our community (ACUBE) that have the Amiga spirit and took great risks? Quote: I'll try to contact Amiga Inc and Hyperion next week again, maybe my information is already outdated. Yes, please contact them! We need some positive news! Maybe you can also ask them to come back, I have noticed that the Frieden's haven't been active on this forum for some time...
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Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?
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Posted on: 2007/2/25 12:16
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@LyleHaze Quote:
LyleHaze wrote:
Simple enough, I'm interested in OS4, and so I'll probably
buy whatever it's running on, if I can. I don't much care
what the name of the OS is, and I don't care much what the
hardware is, as long as I can afford one.
Well said! I also don't care about the hardware. If the Wii, the XBOX360 or the IBM PC can run OS4, I will buy it! I think discussing which console is the best is moot cause we are happy with anything. And if the hardware also offers other possibilities like great games (XBOX and PS3) or serious computing (IBM PC) only the better! But one question remains and hasn't been answered yet. Amiga Inc. clearly specified how the process of licensing works. The peoples who sell or build the hardware need to ask Amiga Inc. and they need to make a deal. But this is very unrealistic for Sony or Microsoft! That being said, I don't want to have false hopes that are not realistic anymore!
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Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?
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Posted on: 2007/2/25 11:24
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@MikeB Wow, these are some impressive sales figures! I didn't know the PS3 was selling better than XBox360 in all markets!  It's always a bit difficult what website to believe because they often get sponsored by companies. Is vgcharts.org an objective source?
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Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?
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Posted on: 2007/2/25 11:07
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@Raziel Quote:
Raziel wrote:
@MikeB
CELL based mobo - Thumbs up
PS3 - Thumbs down (for me)
I don't think that a CELL based mainboard is very realistic in the future. They are much too expensive and I can't see why they would start mass-production to make them cheaper! So if you want a PPC-based computer that is fast but affordable, CELL-based consoles are the only way to go! Quote: (3) As much as i'm waiting for the PS3, i will NOT use it as a computer - it will be my console to play awesome games. I don't see the reason why you can't use it as a computer. Only because there are great games for it? You sound like an Atari ST fanboy. They always said that Amiga is only a "game console" only because it had GREAT games, but they were wrong! The PS3 and the Amiga offers everything you need. And if you really want to tinker around with it, why don't you make another case for the PS3?
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Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?
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Posted on: 2007/2/25 10:57
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@MikeB Thumbs up of course! Get OS4.0 final out there to the peoples! I think the PS3 is a good way to get OS4.0 in the hands of a more mainstream community. I can think of situations where somebody prefers AmigaOS on a PS3 instead of Linux. Think about it: The buyers of consoles are mainly lovers of gaming. I don't think most of them are interested in compiling their kernal and others Linux-stuffs. What they want is simplicity and fun! And I think AmigaOS 4.0 can offer both of this! One question: What are CE type devices? "CELL will be pushed heavily into many CE type devices by Sony and Toshiba." Do you have any idea how licensing will work in the case of PS3? Amiga Inc. has said that they need to be contacted by the company selling or building the hardware. But is it realistic to assume that SONY will do that? I think not!
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Re: Amiga hardware reimplementations
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Posted on: 2007/2/24 10:57
#190
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@orgin Wow, this looks so cool! I want one! 
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Re: AmigaOS 4.0, my thoughts, your thoughts?
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Posted on: 2007/2/23 1:09
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@MikeB Quote:
MikeB wrote:
@Helge
Fingers crossed. IMO certainly holds good potential, multi-functional, relatively cheap, widespread availability and support.
Imagine if Hyperion releases OS4.0 for the PS3, thousands (millions?) of Amiga-compatible consoles are already there on the market, all ready for OS4. Very different from the AmigaOne situation. Quote: Soon there will be millions of PS3s in user's hands, due to mass production eventually the price will come down, specs will remain essentially the same for many years to come, maybe over time the PS3 will be hitting 100+ million userbase like the PS1 and PS2 eventually had.  I think IF the PS3 is able to run OS4, even today's market price of PS3 is ok for most of us. It will be cheaper than AmigaOnes, but MUCH more faster! AmigaInc. and Hyperion have spoken positive about AmigaOS on PS3. But what will happen next? Is Hyperion allowed to port to PS3? Usually it requires a license and somebody who sells the hardware must apply. Is it realistic that Sony applies for an OS4 license? I think not. So what's the next step? Both companies can make money from it, so what's the hold-up?
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Re: New CPU module for A1/uA1 from ACube System tested..
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Posted on: 2007/2/19 23:08
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Not too shy to talk
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@COBRA Quote:
COBRA wrote:
@sundown
I'd like to know as well what happened to those CPU modules Adam announced. He can't say that there are license issues with Amiga Inc. since you don't need a license for CPU modules.
The last thing that I heard was that he had problems to get them running stable. Another thing I could think of (speculation) are supply problems of parts/CPU's. Ssolie should know more I think.
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Re: New CPU module for A1/uA1 from ACube System tested..
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Posted on: 2007/2/15 15:06
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@tonyw Quote:
tonyw wrote:
@ssolie
I think that's a little unfair on Eyetech. They probably had no choice in the matter. If you get a Taiwanese company to assemble boards for you, THEY decide where they are going to source the components, THEY decide how they are going to be assembled, etc. If you try to maintain any control over the process, the price and lead time grow exponentionally.
I don't agree. It was all in Eyetech's responsibility. Consider this: Let's say that you bought a new ASUS mainboard for Windows Vista. It turns out that this board has some bugs. Would you blame Asus, or would you say it's unfair to blame them because they have chosen to get the boards assembled by an untrustful Chinese company? I think the selection of a proven and quality company assembling the boards is in the responsibility of the company selling the board. In this case it is Eyetech. If they don't manage to find a quality manufacturer, then I as a customer hope that they will not manufacture the board. Of course some things can go wrong. After all we are only humans. There are humans working for Motorola and also Eyetech are only humans and make errors. I don't think it is fair to speak about them in such a derogatory way ("Motoscum"). I think they, as well as Eyetech, did the best they could. We have to acknowledge their mistakes, but not make fun of them or rant about them! Quote: I'd bet that Eyetech were just as surprised as everyone else to see the crummy heat sink held on with double-sided tape. But by then there was no sending them back for a rework - we would have had to wait another six months for a new production slot. They should have handled the warranty issue in a better way if you ask me.
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Re: Prokom SA buys some of Amiga Inc. shares
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Posted on: 2007/2/8 15:50
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@NTN Quote:
NTN wrote:
@Helge
He surely knows who has the ownership of some parts of OS4, namely those written by him (like I know mine).
If these are add-ons to OS4 that don't belong to the core operation system, like tools and other stuffs, then you are right I think. The operation system itself is in the hands of Amiga Inc. They contracted Hyperion and not the external developers to develop Os4. They also granted Hyperion the right to use and modify the source code that Amiga Inc. owns. It is clear that some external parties may only grant an object code license or restrict some rights granted to Hyperion. But in general, Amiga Inc. owns OS4. I am not even talking about the implications of the buyback clause, when Hyperion has to transfer all source code, interest, title and IP to OS4 to Amiga Inc. This even includes all enhancements made to it! I read there are already discussions about this, so let's better wait and see what comes out! In any case it needs to happen quick! Quote: I don't think it's a castle in the air what they sold for the simple reason that Prokom bought the stocks after being partner with AInc for one year.
So Prokom must know AInc a little bit (unless they're really dumb). After reading the documents it becomes clear to us that they didn't buy any shares from Amiga Inc. They bought them from ITEC LLC. Can somebody explain what ITEC is about?
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Re: Prokom SA buys some of Amiga Inc. shares
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Posted on: 2007/2/7 17:53
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@joerg Quote:
joerg wrote:
@Jurassicc
This one seems to be about AmigaAnywhere, but they even managed to sell 5% based solely on AmigaOS4, which they don't even own, for 1 million US$ to another investor ...
Amiga Inc. is quite good at selling castles in the air , but that seems to be the only thing they are able to do.
How do you know all this? If you don't have any insider information about the ownership of AmigaOS4, you are only speculating or guessing. Bill McEwen has publically stated that they have executed the buyback-clause in 2003. Moreover, Hyperion have only been contracted to work on OS4. I don't think Hyperion owns AmigaOS4.
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Re: Prokom SA buys some of Amiga Inc. shares
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Posted on: 2007/2/7 11:33
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@Outcast
Also privately owned companies can issue shares.
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Re: Prokom SA buys some of Amiga Inc. shares
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Posted on: 2007/2/7 11:32
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@Jurassicc Quote: Does that make amiga inc worth $87Million ??? That's quite a lot! I had not thought that Amiga Inc. was so big. They must be doing better recently when they are worth that much. It would be nice if McEwen would now pay all salaries that are still outstanding. Billsey has sent me an audio file where he admitted that the company had gone through hell and back some years ago. He seems to be much more honest than everybody thinks!
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Re: New dual core PPC platform available.
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Posted on: 2007/2/7 0:28
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@Mikey_C Quote:
Mikey_C wrote:
@Atheist
American History has shown them to have Bob Hope, Johnny Cash and Stevie Wonder.
The Amiga scene has no Hope, No Cash and no bloody wonder
LOL! The message is funny, sad and partially true at the same time. Seriously: Is there really no hope left? I don't think so. Why are we still here? Amiga survivors! Would we still use our AmigaOnes and develop when there is no hope left? I for one wouldn't give up! Never give up, never surrender!  Computing can still be 'fun, even if there is no new Amiga'one! (rhymez) Getting back to the PASemi, I think it is only a nice dream at the current point. But we are allowed to dream. That's how we can survive these troubled times!
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Re: AmigaOS 4.0, my thoughts, your thoughts?
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Posted on: 2007/2/3 12:42
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@tonyw Quote: These days software and hardware development is so specialised (as is medicine or automotive engineering) that no single person can possibly make as much impact as a qualified, trained team of experts. Well said. Everything is much more specialised these days. Gone are the days when a teenage bedroom coder could write a game for the ZX Spectrum and became a millionaire from it. Without any doubt the development and engineering has become much more complex. Not only in software, but also in hardware design. When I said visionary, I meant somebody in the background who has a higher goals, who made long-term plans and who can envision what Amiga might be like in 5-10 years. Somebody to steer things in the right direction. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't be happy with what we have and achieved. It is a tremendous achievment! @Billsey Quote: As an example, I sat back for years while various and sundry accused Bill McEwen of lying about the condition of Amiga, Inc., all the while looking over at my collection of audio CDs including those burned from an Internet shoutcast during which he freely volunteered how bad things were for the company. I still have those CDs. We all need to govern ourselves and reexamine our own level of knowledge before we accuse. How right you are. On the internet, it's easy to call somebody a "liar", but do these people really have the guts to do that when they would meet Mr. McEwen in person? I doubt it! I am very interested in your collection of audio CDs, is there any way to upload the shoutcast somewhere, maybe your homepage?
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Re: AmigaOS 4.0, my thoughts, your thoughts?
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Posted on: 2007/2/1 21:48
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@ssolie Quote:
ssolie wrote:
@Helge
First of all, "OS5" is to be renamed and it is not just another point release in the same product line as AmigaOS. Think of "OS5" as a competing technology like AmigaAnywhere instead. Not simply a continuation of the AmigaOS product.
Yes I have read somewhere that OS5 is only a moniker while the OS is in development. Maybe you are right and OS5 is a technology similar or superior to AmigaAnywhere and it will be mainly used for mobiles, PDAs and other stuffs. A competing product to OS4 from Hyperion does not make sense IMHO. They should better support Hyperion in their efforts and support a continuation of the current path. @Adept Quote: Yes, we need a clone of JMiner or maybe Carl S. can help once new Hardware with os4 on it comes out. You are right, in the beginning Amiga had a lot of visionary people with a long-term strategy and high goals. The problem is that there are much less of these peoples these days. It's a problem not only with Amiga, but with IT in general. But Amiga has become small, so we should be happy with smaller things and achievements. Every small tool and developer counts! @Antique Quote: I don't see porting to ps3 being so smart. In a couple of years it will be abandoned for ps4 or similar. Yes, but we need to start somewhere. And IMHO it is best to start with hardware that is fast and that many peoples already own. Did you also say something similar when the AmigaOne was announced? It's not worth porting to it because in a couple of years Articia will be obsolete or Eyetech will not continue to sell them? I think the future of PPC for high-speed computing lies in the Cell. The PS3 architecture is a very good start. Never say never, Amiga Inc and Hyperion have already spoken positive about the PS3 so it could happen soon. Sometimes strange thing happen. Or would you have thought 3 years ago that a Microsoft employee demonstrates Vista on an x86 based iMac (shown today on Norwegian television)? Life offers many surprises for us, that's why it doesn't get boring. Quote: And to me os5 seems to be something clever that came out of a happy night with lots of %. I hope you are not saying that he is an alcoholic? I know that he was a truck driver, but not all truck drivers dring a lot of alcohol!
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