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Re: A different perspective
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Posted on: 2007/6/12 19:05
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Amigans Defender 
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@Mitch I think it is more likely that question is out of scope and will be ruled as such. Guess we'll find out soon enough. 
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Re: Desperately seeking help guide
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Posted on: 2007/6/11 22:36
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Amigans Defender
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@goody Quote: Have you searched the disks that came with the computer? Over time many have discovered much of the information on those disks to be inaccurate. I would recommend Mitch stick to what is available on the net at this point in time.
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Re: Desperately seeking help guide
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Posted on: 2007/6/11 17:08
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Amigans Defender
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@Mitch Get familiar with the information located at IntuitionBase.com. I also found NeRP's site highly useful.
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Re: More on the court case
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Posted on: 2007/6/10 7:18
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Amigans Defender
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@Mitch Quote: The way I see it is that Amiga Inc have been and are in the way of AmigaOS4.0. If the OS4 developers were actually paid I would start to believe that. From the court docs so far it seems Hyperion completed the project and have still not paid their developers. That is standing in the way big time in my book.
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Re: More on the court case
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Posted on: 2007/6/9 17:01
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Amigans Defender
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@Mitch Quote: I think that is a leap. We did get a roadmap beyond 4.0 at one point, I remember it. It had bits showing when Intent would get "hosted" etc. However, in the case that my memory is incorrect, it sayes in the contract that the rights to 4.1 and beyond revert to Amiga Inc, so how could they? They would have to be Amiga Inc.s roadmap. No, we never did get an updated roadmap at all. I would have noticed since I've been asking McEwen, Hermans, etc. for one for years.  Quote:
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Hyperion should sell the lot to Amiga Inc. and go back to making games or whatever. Don't even bother partnering, sell it all. Just make sure you don't accept a cheque...
But the point is, Hyperion doesn't own the rights to all of what you have on the CD, and never claimed they did.
My point is that Hyperion is standing in the way of Amiga Inc. No they don't have all the rights to everything but that doesn't matter. Sell it all to Amiga Inc. and let them renegotiate third party contracts. Easy as that. The way it is now both sides are blocking each other and that just sucks.
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Re: More on the court case
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Posted on: 2007/6/8 23:09
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Amigans Defender
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@Mitch To me it looks like Hyperion is trying to grab as much as they can get and run. It isn't Amiga Inc's fault Hyperion sunk a million bucks into OS4 knowing full well they could lose it all for $25k. Maybe this risk will pay off or maybe not but I must say taking such a large risk was a real stupid move by Hyperion's management in the first place. They are insolvent, they are not the same company, you can't serve us in English, you don't have jurisdiction, it was finished on this date; no wait, this other date, etc. Please spare us the bad acting. Looks to me like Hyperion risked it all on nothing but a whim and now they are being challenged. I always wondered why Hyperion refused to give us all a product road map beyond 4.0. Why the feature list kept changing and never really proclaimed "finished" until Dec. 2006. Now we know why. They were hoping not to get caught with their hands in the cookie jar. I'm not an Amiga Inc. fan but they are obviously not going to just go away and they have the Amiga brand. I seriously doubt Hyperion has the money to go the other way around. Hyperion should sell the lot to Amiga Inc. and go back to making games or whatever. Don't even bother partnering, sell it all. Just make sure you don't accept a cheque...  All just IMHO of course.
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Re: Athiest's first hand court report.
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Posted on: 2007/6/6 21:55
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Amigans Defender
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@Atheist Quote: As I said, the judge stated that both parties should try and settle _without_ proceeding through a trial (is this allowed? more money for the justice system if they duke it out!), meaning that (I would think) neither side necessarily has THE winning hand, outright??? I think we can all agree the judge in correct. Both sides should be avoiding a full trial. I suppose the only positive thing that has come out of all this is the curtain of secrecy behind Hyperion's management of the project is coming to light. Why did it take them years to finish? Why did they name the releases in that funny way? Why was there never a future product road map produced? These are questions their customers have always wanted answered yet Hyperion have remained totally silent on. I think both sides of this conflict are quite insane to be fighting over such a tiny morsel of market. The management teams of both companies have totally failed their customers. And while these managers fight it out we are left with no products and no future to look forward to. They have literally taken the fun out of computing by allowing the conflict to escalate to this point.
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Re: Athiest's first hand court report.
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Posted on: 2007/6/6 21:43
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Amigans Defender
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@Mitch Mikey_C wrote: Quote:
I have now had it confirmed from the source. Who ever posted that, it was not Ben Hermans. He is in Europe. Also, I can confirm that who ever posted that, was not from or has any connection with Hyperion Entertainment VOF
I regret to say, it appears that we have been duped.
From http://3cag.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=370P.S. It's good to have you back.
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Re: Evolution of AOS...
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Posted on: 2007/5/30 23:02
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Amigans Defender
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@GregS Quote: PS it appears AMIGA Inc has been in contact with Carl... FYI - Mr. Sassenrath phoned McEwen during AmiWest last year when we were curious why Amiga Inc. had not shown up. It is highly likely Carl is keeping tabs on things just in case he sees some opportunities. Nothing to be excited about really--just business as usual.
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Re: Hyperions Gloves are off
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Posted on: 2007/5/23 17:21
#490
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Amigans Defender
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@Outcast
Moved to a more appropriate forum...
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Re: Hyperion VOF Sued by Amiga Inc
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Posted on: 2007/5/7 18:38
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Amigans Defender
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@Atheist Quote: If I go crazy then, is it okay? Any time is a good time to go crazy dude. You asked if you were overreacting and I think you were so I said so. That doesn't mean you can't overreact though. Go nuts if you want to. I was just offering my opinion on the matter. There will be plenty of dirt dug up during this lawsuit. There will be all sorts of accusations and finger pointing. Just look at the Hyperion volley with the jab about the Club Amiga discounts for example. Hyperion took the opportunity to take a cheap stab at Amiga Inc. in public to try and manipulate us into supporting their side of the disagreement. Amiga Inc. seems to be retaliating with product announcements. All of this is designed to manipulate our behaviour. Now you can let a corporation push you around and change your behaviour (i.e. go grazy) or you can stand up to them and make up your own mind. It is up to you really. Each side in the disagreement will be trying to get our public support. I say let them both suffer. Their management let themselves get into this situation. They all failed to do their job and now they want us to help them? No way. They failed us and they don't deserve our help in my opinion. So call us when you have a product to sell or shut up is what I'd say to both Hyperion and Amiga Inc. at this point in time. They are not worth going crazy over.
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Re: The Amiga Platform - A laughing stock?
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Posted on: 2007/5/3 23:05
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Amigans Defender
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@AmigaHeretic Quote: ...there are very few left to laugh at us, thankfully. That much is definitely true.
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Re: The Amiga Platform - A laughing stock?
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Posted on: 2007/5/3 21:21
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Amigans Defender
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@AmigaHeretic Quote: It's the 3rd most recognized in all of Europe, so I think this court battle may just tarnish it's good name and possibly drop it to 4th or 5th most recognized. I don't quite see the logic there. The little spat is generating even more publicity so the brand will be even more recognized. Isn't being "good" and being recognized two different things?
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Re: The Amiga Platform - A laughing stock?
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Posted on: 2007/5/3 18:00
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Amigans Defender
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@Mikey_C
People have been laughing at Amiga for a long, long time.... I think the important thing to note is that they still know about the Amiga brand.
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Re: IRC log - ackcontrols - #amigaworld (3.V.2007)
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Posted on: 2007/5/3 17:58
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Amigans Defender
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@eXec Quote: Developer systems will be ready to ship to the select devs mid May'ish. Hmmm... Time to give a call I think.
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Re: Hyperion VOF Sued by Amiga Inc
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Posted on: 2007/5/3 17:46
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Amigans Defender
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@Helge Quote: I think it is all pretty darn laughable. Yeah, it isn't the most simple problem but then these are the types of problems management is supposed to be taking care of in the first place. These are small companies with big ambitions and they can't even keep their IP in order yet? Come on....
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Re: Hyperion VOF Sued by Amiga Inc
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Posted on: 2007/5/3 17:44
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Amigans Defender
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@Atheist Quote: This is truly a huge problem... I consider this a tiny problem relative to the work put in by the AmigaOS 4.0 development team. The technical problems that were solved and continue to be solved are far more complex than this little contract dispute. Needless to say, I'm not a fan of management teams at the best of times because I find they are for the most part under-trained, inadequate and in it for the power trip. The only good manager I know of was in such high demand I only had the pleasure of working with him on one project. I'll let you know when I find another manager good at their job. For the time being all we can really do now is suck it up and watch the silly show as the two management teams slap each other with fish until one of them loses and goes home crying to mommy. I have very little respect for management teams that can't resolve these types of problems quickly. I have even less respect for companies that feel they have to use the courts to solve the problems their management teams were being paid to solve. To me, the huge problem here is the management on both sides of the conflict being under qualified to do what they were being paid to do in the first place. We are talking about sub-million dollar companies here... their problems are really not that complicated but they sure seem to think they are.
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Re: Hyperion VOF Sued by Amiga Inc
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Posted on: 2007/5/3 1:01
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Amigans Defender
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@Atheist Quote: I HOPE I haven't overreacted... You have overreacted. The dispute has been going on for a long time and many of us knew about it. It is a management problem. Let management take care of the problem and please calm down. P.S. Keep your moobunny chatter on moobunny please. We don't need that here. Thanks.
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Re: Hyperion VOF Sued by Amiga Inc
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Posted on: 2007/4/30 19:05
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Amigans Defender
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@geennaam Quote: Something tells me that Ack is just being used for this court case to "prove" to the judge that they are still using the Amiga trademark and actually delivering product to their "cult-like" followers. Amiga Inc. have been gearing up lately with securing funding, trademark registrations, enforcing their copyrights and trademarks and partnering with ACK. It sure looks like to me like they want to ship some OS4 based products and perhaps that is the point. Maybe, just maybe, Amiga Inc. want to sell some AmigaOS 4.0 based computer systems and that's it. Madness!
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Re: Hyperion VOF Sued by Amiga Inc
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Posted on: 2007/4/30 18:55
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Amigans Defender
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@Skov Quote: I guess ACK have the sources to OS4, will port it to the new board and launch Amiga's new hardware product along with OS4... It's certainly not impossible... AmigaOS 4.0 is a derivative work of AmigaOS 3.x. Hyperion was contracted to do the 4.0 version which is now complete. Amiga Inc. now wants to ship a new product based on the 4.0 version of AmigaOS. They happened to partner with ACK Software Controls but it could have been anybody. When Amiga Inc. has the sources and necessary rights, Amiga Inc. will get OS4 ported to their new hardware. It makes sense that ACK would do the porting but it could be anybody technically. Then Amiga Inc. can ship the new OS4 based products which they developed in partnership with ACK. What I'm trying to say here is that ACK will only have the sources if that is required. Let's not start down the path of pointing at ACK as a thief or similar. Amiga Inc. wants to ship new product and it is Amiga Inc. that needs the AmigaOS sources and rights so they can do so. It just happens that ACK is their partner at this point in time. Amiga Inc. is responsible and you cannot delegate responsibility. [speculation] Personally, I'm speculating this court case is another negotiation tactic to force the final resolution of their contract once and for all. Neither side really wants it to go before a judge so I would expect and hope this will be resolved before that happens. While the court case drags on I would expect neither side can ship any OS4 based products so it makes sense it is resolved sooner rather than later. I suppose Hyperion could launch a counter-suit or fight it until the judge rules but why bother for a product with a very uncertain future anyway. [/speculation]
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