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MikeB

Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?

Posted on: 2007/2/25 15:50 #41

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@Billsey

The main criticism towards Sony seems to have been with regard to rootkit copy protection measurements and faulty batteries.

The company ended up recalling all the affected CDs and batteries, paying for damages and such costing the company dearly.

IMO companies like Royal Dutch Shell, Microsoft, Compass Group and Exxon have been involved in much more severe issues, yet people still continue to buy their gasoline and products though.

Personally I look at Sony as a whole taking into account their rich history of innovating the market, for me they have done far more good than bad. It's such a large company it's difficult to point out who was exactly responsible for their ups and lesser extend their downs.

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MikeB

Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?

Posted on: 2007/2/25 13:29 #42

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@Swisso

I agree with you. Although the AmigaOne served its purpose as an AmigaOS4 development platform, the ambiteous AmigaOS4.0 project has been completed and OS4Depot has hit over 1400 downloadable contributions, yet Eyetech's plans for the MicroA1 with regard to the embedded market have failed due to various reasons.

Thus for me the PS3 is now by far the most viable solution as Sony has the financials and market strenght unlike a tiny company like Eyetech to weather through bad press and rivalry fiascos. In a couple of months there will be more PS3 hardware out there than all Amiga platforms combined, ranging from A1000 to A4000, but all with roughly the same configuration.

Both the PS1 and PS2 have sold well over 100 million units for the long run, it's hard to predict how this will eventually develop for the PS3.

The second most viable option seems to be the Samantha project and related products, but again primarily aimed at the embedded market and in terms of overall power not a big step upwards from the AmigaOne like the PS3 would be. I am not sure if or not the product will go through the same ordeals Eyetech and the AmigaOne have.

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MikeB

Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?

Posted on: 2007/2/25 12:44 #43

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@Helge

From what I understand both Amiga Inc and Hyperion just want a larger piece of the cake (be that IP ownership, influence, money or whatever). Both positions look understandable to me.

But the longer this situation lasts the smaller the cake is actually going to be, so I am hopeful things gets sorted not too far in the future. It needs to be!

I'll try to contact Amiga Inc and Hyperion next week again, maybe my information is already outdated.

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MikeB

Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?

Posted on: 2007/2/25 11:46 #44

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@Helge

Quote:

It's always a bit difficult what website to believe because they often get sponsored by companies. Is vgcharts.org an objective source?

Yes they are very reliable. For North America they use official NPD data and average the data provided by various leading tracking companies in Japan. It's an excellent website, the most accurate website available with regard to sales tracking within the gaming industry!

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MikeB

Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?

Posted on: 2007/2/25 11:29 #45

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@Raziel

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(1) It would likely be placed in another room (where my TV-set is) and mostly used for playing games on the console.

I surely understand that, Jorge at AmigaWorld who did a lot of AmigaOS4 roadtours across Europe thinks about getting his second PS3, as his kids occupy the PS3 all of the time and he's so interested in Cell development.

BTW, an article I wrote regarding one of Jorge's roadtours (Switzerland):
here

Jorge is a nice guy, in 2004 when I worked in Austria he invited me over to show me the lastest AmigaOS4 developments on his MicroA1.

With regard to Cell development:

IBM DeveloperWorks (From Part 1 in a series of IBM/PS3 articles):

"The Sony PLAYSTATION 3 (PS3) is the easiest and cheapest way for programmers to get their hands on the new Cell Broadband Engine (Cell BE) processor and take it for a drive. Discover what the fuss is all about, how to install Linux on the PS3, and how to get started developing for the Cell BE processor on the PS3. "

Part 3 is now available:

Programming high-performance applications on the Cell BE processor, Part 3: Meet the synergistic processing unit
here

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MikeB

Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?

Posted on: 2007/2/25 11:09 #46

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The Playstation 3 is really unlike any other games console before it, which is reflected on its hefty price tag (despite selling at a considerable loss) for a gaming console.

I did some investigations, but usually discussions move toward an 'Atari ST vs Amiga' style flamewar involving the XBox 360 or even the very different Nintendo Wii. Media have also reported negatively about the platform, but I expect this to change when the advantages of the platform becomes more apparent (March firmware/OS update and more Cell optimised games and software appearing soon).

Also many people claim the PS3 is performing very badly, sales wise. But considering the price tag and developers still learning to harvest the Cell potential, the console performed about on par with at least my personal expectations, here are some launch comparison graphs based on data provided by VGCharts.org:

Japan:

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North America:

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Note that with regard to this graph a lot more PS2 software was available, as the console was launched in North America more than 7 and a half month after the Japanese release.

Japan + North America (360 vs PS3):

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IMO the PS3 isn't performing that bad at all.

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MikeB

How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?

Posted on: 2007/2/25 10:39 #47

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Hyperion and Amiga Inc seem to want AmigaOS4.x on the Playstation 3, just like Yellow Dog Linux is already running on the platform.

Translation of the first paragraph listed below, written in a news interview just after AmigaOS4's release:

"Hyperion Entertainment hopes to adjust their operating system for the Playstation 3. The Cell processor in Sony's new console is based on PowerPC technology, so technically that's possible. For now this is future talk, acknowledges Carton: "There are a few technical and legal obstackles to be taken care of."

http://www.zdnet.nl/news.cfm?id=64015

Carton is in charge of Hyperion, the company which leads the AmigaOS4 project.

Original text:

Quote:

Hyperion Entertainment hoopt het nieuwe besturingssysteem ook aan te passen voor de PlayStation 3. De Cell-processor in de nieuwe console van Sony is gebaseerd op PowerPC-technologie, dus technisch is dat mogelijk. Voorlopig is het PS3-plan toekomstmuziek, geeft Carton toe: "Er moeten nog enkele technische en juridische obstakels uit de weg worden geruimd."

Totdat het OS mag draaien op de PlayStation 3, blijft het potenti?le publiek van AmigaOS 4.0 dus beperkt. Carton denkt voornamelijk aan hobbyisten en nostalgische computergebruikers die wel eens een Amiga-emulator afstoffen. "Mensen die zich de tijd nog herinneren dat je een computer zoals een tv in een handomdraai kon uitzetten door gewoon op een knop te drukken." AmigaOS 4.0 moet in het voorjaar beschikbaar zijn, tegelijk met de nieuwe hardware.

Another comment from Hyperion managers:

Quote:

"Could a cell-based computer be a future AmigaOne?"

Bingo! All in good time ofcourse, not running before we can walk.

CELL will be pushed heavily into many CE type devices by Sony and Toshiba.

It is by design fairly self-contained and therefore easy to build a system around.

Amiga CEO comment on the PS3 and Cell, just after establishing Amiga Development India:

Quote:

There are numerous other high end graphics and multi-media devices coming out in the coming months that use Cell, and Cell is PPC. There is a great deal of opportunity staying with PPC and expect that with the conversations that we have had with Freescale, and IBM, that there are several OEM's that are interested in what we have planned as well.

Thumbs up or thumbs down?

Edited by MikeB on 2007/2/26 15:42:03

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MikeB

Re: AmigaOS 4.0, my thoughts, your thoughts?

Posted on: 2007/2/22 21:20 #48

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@Helge

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I think the future of PPC for high-speed computing lies in the Cell. The PS3 architecture is a very good start. Never say never, Amiga Inc and Hyperion have already spoken positive about the PS3 so it could happen soon.

Fingers crossed. IMO certainly holds good potential, multi-functional, relatively cheap, widespread availability and support.

Soon there will be millions of PS3s in user's hands, due to mass production eventually the price will come down, specs will remain essentially the same for many years to come, maybe over time the PS3 will be hitting 100+ million userbase like the PS1 and PS2 eventually had.

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