@Valiant

Olfa is working on a new version for OS4.
the previous version worked for AmigaOS between 1.3 to 3.9 and Morphos and Amithlon etc ..

In the past i used JKFFDisp to display japanese, but i didn't used his input method (JKFFInput) too much. A friend on Morphos and me, we both created an IME from scratch,
called Charabia. So i could use Olfa's JKFFDisp to display Japanese and Charabia to input Japanese.
I still have the source somewhere if needed.
but it wasn't that great to use, you had to enter text using the mouse on a virtual keyboard displayed on screen.
I think Olfa's JKFFInput is far better. it's just at that time i didn't understand how to use it.. and couldn't read properly the docs to learn to do so.

So, my Japanese wasn't good enough to read the docs fully (JKFFInput), and i tryed it a bit but i've found it was a bit tricky to use.
This was 4 years ago maybe a bit more?
In the meantime Olfa port JKFFInput to OS4, you can still try the previous 68k versions which should work on 68k AmigaOS at least..(not sure for OS4). i don't remember from the small tests i did how to use it though.

On Olfa's website there's the docs, written in Japanese (he took screenshots of it) so even if you can't display Japanese you can read it as pictures.

here it's 23:30, i go to bed.
tomorow i will try to read them again and post here a small overview in english.


edit: so basicaly:
- the new version isn't usable yet.
- and the old versions: i don't know if they work on os4.
but you could try from inside UAE eventualy.
but since you cannot display japanese, you wouldn't even see what you're typing... even if it worked i mean.
well, except if you try from inside UAE this way everything should work as expected.

@Valiant

hi there
Olfa is the one who develop JKFF.
JKFF is a two part program:

1 part is "JKFFDisp" which enable amigaos to display japanese.

2 part is "JKFFInput" which enable japanese text to be typed on amigaos. it's an input method editor (IME / FEP) front end processor.

the new version alpha is just to try compatiblity with os4 comodity system, i think.

JKFFDisp doesn't work on os4 yet. (it worked on previous release but with only 68k programs) but now even with 68k progs don't work anymore on os4 final i think.
unless i'm mistaken on the tooltypes.

@olfa

Yes JKFFInput version 001 work on OS4 !
(comodity system work)
i just tried it, good work Olfa :)

@olfa

thanks for your reply but i think JKFFDisp version 1.12 doesn't work on OS4 final.
not even for 68k programs. i tryed ibrowse2.4 and some other 68k text editor. it just show garbage (mojibake)

it worked on previous version of OS4 though (OS4 pre3) but not anymore. Or i didn't set tooltypes correctly ?

i will watch JKFF page.

i'm eager to see any progress report or screenshots.. ;)

@saimo

and pressing ramiga when closing a window: closes all windows in 1 time ..

and there's some arexx scripts on os4depot that help a bit with windows management:

http://os4depot.net/index.php?functio ... ity/script/duto_oscp.rexx
http://os4depot.net/index.php?functio ... orkbench/open_parent.rexx
http://os4depot.net/index.php?functio ... /workbench/reorg_win.rexx

i use thoses all the time now ..

@olfa

great! thanks for your support! :)
if i can help let me know please.

@olfa

thank you for your reply,
here's a picture of text in post #16



Tetisoft said you can contact him by mail to help JKFF port.

And I can give you my amigaone with os4 to help you.

if you are not using my amigaone, other option is cross-compile for os4 from linux.
http://www.zerohero.se/cross/os4.html

@TetiSoft

thanks for this. i'll try to see if i can help by lending him my amigaone for a while, if he need it.
maybe i could help translating information between you and him too.i just mailed him now, i'm waiting for an answer, and i'll see if i can do something.

my apologies for my behavior on aw.net.

@TetiSoft

Tetisoft could you please help Olfa to port JKFF on OS4?
He came on his own, i didn't asked him anything.
He's not part of our discussion. he's a real survivor Japanese Amigan :) one of the last i guess ..

If you can't help him, could you please tell Olfa who to contact ?

Thanks ..


edit: seeing Olfa is still interested in amiga, i just mailed him. i offered to lend him my amigaone for a while if he need it.

if we could get a port of jkff that would be just great ..

@olfa

hi Olfa, nice to see you around :)
would it be possible for you to port JKFF to os4 ?

Tetisoft is one of the key developper that work on os4 localization.
If you need help to port JKFF on OS4 he is the person in charge.
Tetisoft seems to have very good knowledge about amiga 68k and ppc.
Could try to speak with Tetisoft to get JKFF on os4 please ?
it would be very nice ..

thank you :)


-----------------------
japanese:


Olfaさんお久しぶりです＾＾
こちらに来てくれてどうも
ありがとう！
最近ＯＳ４に日本語のサポ
ートをもらうため色々試し
ていましたが、
まだちょっと難しそうに見
えます。
本のちょっとしかサポート
されてないです。
ＪＫＦＦがあれば物凄く助
かります。
その点でよければTetisoftさんに
話してみてくれませんか。
彼はＯＳ４の開発者の一人
です。ロケールの担当です。
ＪＫＦＦはＯＳ４に動ける
ように何かやってくれれば
本当に嬉しいで
す。Tetisoftは細かい開発の話出
来るだから二人でよければ
何かやってみま
せんか。

お願いしますm(_ _)m

@Swoop

it's easy .. basicaly ibrowse call tabs " new browser"
you open ibrowse.. you right click on a link.. a context menu popup, you can choose there to open the link in an active or inactive browser.. either way should open a tab..

and you always have the option of opening a new tab manualy, by clicking on ibrowse menu (1st menu from the left), select "open a new browser".. you're done..

@all

typemanager reading a file:

http://keisangi.free.fr/amiga/os4japanese6.jpg


i wish notepad could do it..
and ibrowse too

@all

just a short update to say: os4 can actualy display japanese. here, i typed this text myself on my pc, saved as utf8 (unicode) exported the file on the miggy, and it showed perfectly well.
everything is there, it's full japanese display support.

http://keisangi.free.fr/amiga/os4japanese5.jpg

the text reads: AmigaOS4 can display Japanese text!

all i did was loading a ttf font into typemanager, and have typemanager to open a file as a sample test.

so one coul even save html page in japanese or whatever text in unicode and view it on os4 through typemanager :)
all done by os4 itself, with no patch at all :)

@all

btw, if someone have the knowlege and the interest into looking at building unicode , charset, whatever japanese support on OS4, maybe this link could help?

http://www.wazu.jp/gallery/Fonts_Japanese.html

it seems to have some fonts, and links to more details docs (look at the bottom)


thanks

@Valiant

Yes please do so!
Everything that could help is welcome.
If you need me to do something just ask.
i'm on irc all the time.

thanks


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edit:

@Vailiant:
TetiSoft seems to say some work have to be done, for which i currently have no knowledge..
working on unicode and implementing the whole support.
i thought this would be done by hyperion themselve.
i just offered to do the translation.

i will still try to look at all the hint he gave us, but
i have no special knowledge in this area.
i just know Japanese and the way it works.
if you have any question about how japanese language works,
about phonetic system (kana) and their translation into kanji (japanese symbols) i can help anytime.

some years ago, i helped a friend to build a japanese input method on morphos, just like this, explaining how the language actualy works.. he could made a working program to input japanese on morphos. (btw morphos used jkff to be able to display japanese) but jkff don't seems to work on os4.

it's open source btw:
http://www.phoenix-c.or.jp/~olfa/jkff/index.html

it worked at some point in os4 too (pre4 i reckon)
but only with 68k progs..

anyway feel free to ask anything you need.

see you

@Vader


check your PM :)

@Valiant



Yes they're all useless on os4 imho..
jkff, jiwa, kezako ..all
os4 changed the font system.
But, if you can get something up and working i'm strongly interested :) it's not because i couldn't made these apps work on os4 that nobody can..
beside jkff is opensource ..

thanks for your offer to help.
i don't know yet if they will say "ok.
i'm waiting for their answer.

but if you can speak and write japanese, we could share the work, no problem. that's kind of you to propose ^^

i'll ask my gf (depending on her time) to help too, the more the merrier ;)
so it could get done asap.

for just the wb, menu , prefs, os4 installer and general interface,
i think i could get everything done in just few days.

after, the docs would take longer.. lots of text in there..

@Chip

hey thanks for this :)
i contact him right now :)

see you

@all

thanks for the support :)
I got mail from hyperion too.
if they allow me to do the translation, i'll do my best to get it done FAST ;)

having to switch linux or windows each time i want to write a mail or browse some Japanese site is annoying.

I hope OS4 get Japanese support soon.

hi there,
who should i contact to offer doing the japanese translation of os4 ?
(for free of course)

i want to see os4 with japanese locale and support.
who is in charge of the locales and internationalization?

thanks for you time