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Helge

Re: There is hope for OS4 on the Classic.

Posted on: 2007/8/24 13:39 #41

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@Rogue

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Rogue wrote:
@Helge
The officially unofficial statement is that currently, I am working on the classic version (just recently added Mediator 1200 and 4000 support).

Rogue, can you tell us some details how Mediator support was implemented? Did you write a new pci.library or can the old one from Elbox still be used?

How did you solve the DMA problem? If I remember correctly, Elbox hacked the DMA or it wasnt a real DMA, so it might be difficult to support. I hope that Elbox were helpful with the documentation nonetheless.

Do you think the speed will be much improved on a Voodoo with Mediator compared to an old BlizzardVision?

I think it's a good idea to support Mediator, because it is much more common than the GRex, which is not supported anymore.

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Helge

Re: Sam440ep "The Red One"

Posted on: 2007/8/24 0:30 #42

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@ssolie

I fully agree. At the moment I also don't see how this is going to happen. Their hands are tied because of the court case, that's why they can only hint at things. Have you realized that there is no official annoucement that says they are porting or have ported OS4? Although this might have already happened, it says something about the legal status of it!

They keep on hinting so that the peoples will still keep on hoping, some even believing they will be able to buy Sam bundled with OS4 at the show. But they will show it with Crux at the show. Maybe I will say "hooray" when I can order Sam with OS4 at a shop, but currently it is just another board that runs Linux. And for that purpose, it is a very slow and expensive one!

@all

"Thy wish was father, Harry, to that thought."

Shakespeare, Henry IV, Pt. II (IV.v.91)

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Helge

Re: Sam440ep "The Red One"

Posted on: 2007/8/23 13:36 #43

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@Spirantho

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Spirantho wrote:
@Helge

But it's so clearly meant for OS4, that's how everyone's going to treat it. Otherwise why else would they advertise it to Amiga people and even include dumps of UBoot?

Because the makers are Amiga fans! But they have always said that their primary target market are industrial clients who will use it for embedded applications! The Amiga part comes as a nice bonus. First it didn't go well with McEwen, he announced it but then stepped back and now they get a second chance and can only hope that Hyperion wins the lawsuit.

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There are two options:
1) It's an AOS 4 machine and it'll sell quite nicely (relatively speaking)
2) It's another faceless mobo that runs Linux like any other machine, except slower and more expensive, and it'll hardly sell any at all.

I don't think this is true. Why do you think they have said that the first production run is meant for industrial clients if it'll "hardly sell any at all"? Be realistic, the market is much bigger than a few hundred mainboards they can sell to Amiga users.
Of course, there wont be much hobby users that will buy it for Linux. Otherwise other PPC hardware, like the one from Genesi, would be a big hit which isnt the case! For example I cant imagine why anybody would buy Genesi hardware to run Linux PPC. This is the same with Samantha.

BUT: ACube has said they are looking for customers in the industry. They have already presented this mainboard on a fair in Munich! So you are wrong, I think Amiga is only a bonus, if it happens at all, their main buyers are elsewhere.

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Helge

Re: Sam440ep "The Red One"

Posted on: 2007/8/23 12:22 #44

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@Spirantho

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Spirantho wrote:
I want one.

I already have an AOS 4 machine which fine but I still want one!

At the moment the Samantha is not an AOS 4 machine yet. It isn't sure if it will ever become one. Not at all.

Personally I dont like their hinting games too much. The red one, delivering the promises, etc...
If it will be released with OS4, then they should say so! If it can't because of the lawsuit, then they should stop with the teasing. Otherwise many will start hoping again, but then Amiga Inc wins the trial case. It is not THAT unrealisitic that they win and in that case I dont think there will be OS4 for Samantha. I hope that noone will buy it only because they think they will run OS4 on it. This might never be the case and then the peoples will be angry.

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Helge

Re: DNetC, OGR25, Nearing Completion

Posted on: 2007/8/22 22:22 #45

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@K-L

I ran it about 2 years ago, it wasn't crunching for OGR, but something different which might be already finished. I could use the Windows PC to crunch for Amiga OS. It had about 20x the performance of my Amiga with Warpos Dnetc. But it was great that it counted for the Amiga team, even without running AmigaOS!
AmigaOS has quite a big share in the stats! But what is included? Os3.x (also with Winuae and Amithlon), OS4, also Mos?

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Helge

Re: Sam440ep "The Red One"

Posted on: 2007/8/22 22:14 #46

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@PEB

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PEB wrote:
@Ferry

I really love the style and professionalism displayed in their advertisements.

Except for the two spelling mistakes:

1. You write months like September with capital letters!
2. It's setups not setup, because it is plural!

Maybe it is also better to write "a complete system", instead of "one complete system", but I am not sure.

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Helge

Re: DNetC, OGR25, Nearing Completion

Posted on: 2007/8/22 20:52 #47

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@Atheist

Did the rules for the participation change? I had a Windows system crunching when I was at work and an Amiga-system with WarpOS at home too.
Also the Windows crunching counted for the Amiga team. And what about crunching with Amithlon and Winuae? If you have a very fast Core2Duo, then it should be VERY fast. Will they notice that it's not a real Amiga, even if it's running AmigaOS?

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Helge

Re: Sam440ep "The Red One"

Posted on: 2007/8/22 20:48 #48

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@Atheist

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Atheist wrote:
Hi Ferry,

What, (a)OS runs on it?

I remember that Acube was planning to get CRUX Linux running on Samantha. They have supplied a board to the PPC Linux team so that they can work on it.

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Helge

Re: There is hope for OS4 on the Classic.

Posted on: 2007/8/22 9:04 #49

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@Rob

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Rob wrote:
@Helge

Hyperion are representing to the court that they are the owners of Amiga OS4. Under these circumstances it would make little sense to hold back on a release if the OS is ready for end users.

Then you need to explain to me why there isn't already a port of OS4 for Samantha and other hardwares? If they were the owners then they were able to release it without asking Amiga Inc for a license anymore!

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Pianeta is not far off now and there is a trend for big announcements to be made there.

Last year there was the big announcement of Mr. McEwen that OS4 will be released for Samantha and that there is great cooperation between Amiga Inc and ACube?

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Helge

Re: There is hope for OS4 on the Classic.

Posted on: 2007/8/22 8:57 #50

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@Rogue

Yes, I have thought this to be the case. You have said that the priority was bumped. But is the release postponed because of the trial case?
If it's not possible to release it during the trial case, then there will be a lot of time to make refinements and enhancements.

When there was advertising from ACube this spring about the Amiga 4000 version to be released, I was expecting that the release was imminent. Only the A1200 version was said to appear laters "to be announced". Maybe these plans have changed because of the lawsuit. :-S

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Helge

Re: There is hope for OS4 on the Classic.

Posted on: 2007/8/21 17:19 #51

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@Sir_Lucas

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Sir_Lucas wrote:
@xeron
Thank's for the information. It's good to hear that. Hope it appears soon. Many owners of classic Amigas with PPC on board just can't wait to get it in thier hands ;)

It's good to hear that it's still in development, so they haven't given up on it.
But: This doesn't tell us anything about when it will be released or if they are even allowed to release it during the lawsuit.

I have thought again about this question (which nobody could answer) and I think the answer is NO, they can't or won't release it during the lawsuit.

Why? They are doing the same with OS4 for Samantha and other hardwares, they can't release it because of the lawsuit and want to be careful.

I don't think many Phase5-boards are still alive after the lawsuit and even then we don't know if Hyperion even "wins" it. So maybe it's time to sell my board.

The promise that it will be released "soon" doesn't really cut it anymore. We have heard that too often and nothing happened.

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Helge

Re: There is hope for OS4 on the Classic.

Posted on: 2007/8/20 22:03 #52

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@rwo

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rwo wrote:
@Helge

What about staying on Topic?

Blame Rudei!

Ok, back to topic, which is OS4 on Classic.

Nobody could answer my question if a release is possible DURING the lawsuit.

So maybe it will be released in 2007, maybe in 2008, maybe in 2009, maybe never.

If this is really the state of affairs, then I am not sure if it's worth discussing it anymore because it is much too uncertain. It's like discussing new Eyetech hardware end of 2005. The peoples also said it's just around the corner and that Eyetech are only waiting for the PPC CPUs which only have supply problems. Now we know better.

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Helge

Re: Four Versions of AOS??? Amiga HAS a future!

Posted on: 2007/8/20 21:31 #53

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@Atheist

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Atheist wrote:
Can they then recall AOS4.0 that we're all using now? What does it mean, is my copy legally sanctioned to be used by me??

You are joking right*?

*I am not sure because sometimes you seem to take things too serious.

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Helge

Re: There is hope for OS4 on the Classic.

Posted on: 2007/8/20 21:27 #54

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@Rob

They are both quite comparable and have a similiar styling. I especially like the rear side of the Volvo P1800 ES:

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The P1800 ES looks a bit like a Reliant Scimitar, though I think the Scimitar has nicer lines.

Nicer lines? Then have a look at these ones:

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Helge

Re: Four Versions of AOS??? Amiga HAS a future!

Posted on: 2007/8/20 11:45 #55

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@Atheist

If the judge rules that Amiga Inc is right with their claims and if the judge decides that Amiga Inc has "won" the lawsuit, what will you say and what will you do?

Will you say that the judge is wrong? Or will you acknowledge it and only bemoan the decision?

I know what I will do. I think I will be sad about such a decision, because then there is not much hope left for OS4.
BUT: I will acknowledge the decision of the judge, I will not critizise it, because the judge will decide on the basis of the facts and the contracts the companies agreed to. If Hyperion agrees to stupid contracts it is only THEIR fault.

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Helge

Re: Four Versions of AOS??? Amiga HAS a future!

Posted on: 2007/8/19 21:44 #56

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@Atheist

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Whose side are you on?

I am on noones side. The only side I respect is the side of the law.
If a company (yes this includes Hyperion) agree to a stupid contract (yes I think the 25k sum was a stupid thing to agree to), then it is only THEM to blame for it.
I don't understand the whole mentality that some have when they say that Amiga Inc wants to steal the OS4 from Hyperion. Some people are angry and say something like:
"Hyperion has worked so hard and brought OS4 forward, Amiga Inc has done nothing and now they want to steal back the OS for only 25K!"
The terms were always clear to the managers at Hyperion when they signed the contract, so I dont understand why some peoples are so upset about it. They should look at the law and not at the morals, because those unfortunately have not much place in business.

I will respect the decision of the judge. I am only on the side of law.

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Helge

Re: There is hope for OS4 on the Classic.

Posted on: 2007/8/19 19:26 #57

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@Rudei

I have many dream cars, the 240 GL is just one of it and maybe the only one that is still affordable! My father had one and I grew up with it. It is simply unbreakable!
I don't like new cars and would never buy one even if I had the money. They have so many electronics and sensors in it, so easily something breaks! In the Volvo, everything is still mechanical and extremely robust. Swedish quality!
But I like the older Volvos even more, have a look at the P1800 ES for example. That's a REAL sports car and it has much more style than the boring one in your avatar!

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Helge

Re: There is hope for OS4 on the Classic.

Posted on: 2007/8/19 11:03 #58

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@tonyw

Thanks for your answer. I am asking because I have not used my P5-card a lot in the last months and it is collecting dust. You can get a lot of money for it on ebay and I could need the money to buy the Volvo I have always wanted to drive (old Volvo 240 GL).
We are always waiting for something to happen soon, but are we really sure it will happen at all?

I still have not received an answer yet, if it is even possible to release it during the lawsuit. Maybe it isn't and that could mean that it will never be released when Amiga, Inc wins the lawsuit!

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Helge

Re: There is hope for OS4 on the Classic.

Posted on: 2007/8/16 21:31 #59

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@Helge

bump-bump-bump

Anyone? Ok, I make it even easier. If you (Rogue, tfrieden, ACube...) want to answer (pleeaaaaase!), you can use either

-YES
-NO
or
-Sorry, we can't comment

Any kind of answer is much appreciated!

Is it worth to keep my Phase5-card? If I have to wait until lawsuit ends, it will be too long. :-S

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Helge

Re: The Memory Protection Debacle

Posted on: 2007/8/15 17:42 #60

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@LiveForIt

You might be right in that, i think it depends WHEN it will happen. If it happens very soon then there is not much problem. But if the cut happens very late, there will be a lot more OS4 binaries for which support is needed. Especially in the beginning, not many applications will be available for OS5 and you will have to resort on the OS4 stuffs.

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