@Slayer

UBOOT reset to defaults!
and check media toolbox bootable option and boot priorities.

@joerg

Wow, tested it yesterday, it was where fast and usable, even http://VG.no was fast

I noticed that URL input box was not updated when clicked on links, and there where some small gfx problems whit in frames on http://filmweb.no

@Slayer

You should reset UBOOT to factory defaults.

I think it might have some thing to do whit how you defined the devices connected to your ATA controller.
It is for example possible to disable devices connected to secondary ATA channel, or force unit 3 to become a CDROM, and UNIT 2 as HD, if the CDROM is connected to UNIT number that UBOOT think is a HD, then it will not work, if the HD is connected to UNIT that UBOOT thinks is CDROM, your Amiga will not boot, if every thing is configured as AUTO, every thing should work again.

@xeron

Yes some one needs to update snoopy its useless for looking for frailer to open files, libraries/devices, and .so objects.

Maybe some one can recompile ldd to OS4.
http://www.rt.com/man/ldd.1.html

@GrumpyOldMan

Quote:

AmigaOS4.1 is only for users that have AmigaOne, and yes its direct update from OS4.0.
I don't think I have seen any official price information for OS4.1.

There might be OS4.0 update for classic Amiga 4000/1200 computers, but nothing is confirmed, because AmigaOS4.1 includes stuff that will not work on A1200/4000, like new 3D based intuition system.

@Mlehto

Of cause you can delete SO directory if you do not intend to run Linux ports,

@Mlehto

if you renamed the SO files then that will cause confusion, SO files are there for unix/linux ports, you need to know if you have the so files the unix/linux programs needs if they are renamed how do you know you have the right ones installed?

@Mikey_C

Nice

@salass00

Antique uses clib or newlib,

he does not use DOS.library.

@Atheist

it's just an advance wheelcare.

@VooDoo

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libicudata-3.4.so 8975196 ----rwed 23-Jan-08 18:12:09
libSDL-1.2.so 401130 ----rw-d 17-Jan-08 22:18:00
libbz2.so 70764 ----rwed 22-May-07 12:45:54
libjpeg.so 164063 ----rwed Today 18:34:12
libphysfs.so 203317 ----rwed 28-May-08 20:52:46
libz.so.1 91528 ----rw-d 15-Jan-08 23:51:20
libssl-0.9.8.so 2312048 ----rw-d 21-Feb-08 19:35:04
libxslt-1.1.so 277220 ----rw-d 21-Feb-08 19:17:02
libz.so 84796 ----rw-d 22-Feb-08 01:31:02
libstdc++.so 1093240 ----rwed 15-May-07 00:12:40
libpython25.so 3930725 ----rwed 23-Jun-07 15:32:24
libpthread.so 155465 ----rwed 04-Jul-07 13:48:30
libpng12.so 276740 ----rwed 22-May-07 12:45:58
libgcov.so 21044 ----rwed 17-May-07 18:20:04
libgcc.so 56324 ----rw-d 25-Feb-08 17:25:40
libexpat.so 214212 ----rw-d 22-May-07 12:46:00
libdl.so 8420 ----rw-d 22-May-07 12:45:58
libc.so 45884 ----rwed 25-Jun-07 00:00:00
libcurl-7.16.so 315248 ----rw-d 21-Feb-08 20:39:06
libxml2-2.6.so 1668308 ----rw-d 21-Feb-08 20:38:52
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@joerg

Its cool to finally see the scrollbar whit in the frame, but there is some thing horribly wrong on images.google.com, when rendering frames whit in pages, basicly when you drag the scroll bar you se content of frame being drawn over top frame.

@Rogue

Quote:

Yes thats where annoying better if the GUI was some kind of XML format, so GUI was loaded when needed.

@Rogue

Quote:

That's bad programming!

If developers wrote it like this then only list view part is resized,
(I'm using macros in this example.)

StartVGroup,
StartMember, ROString(index_s_blocks,"info"),
StartMember, DButton(index_b_abort,"Abort"),
StartMember, DButton(index_b_write_cw,"Write"),
EndGroup,
CHILD_WeightedHeight, 0,

@joerg

Quote:
You forget Linux programs already uses the clib / newlib functions.
What is mostly required is to get programs that?s already uses fopen() fclose(), fprintf() to work whit dos.library 64 bit commands, but this commands seams incompatible.
fopen returns a int or FILE, but Open() in dos returns BPTR, if you have idea or example on how you can mix commands then please, write some examples, or else large quantizes of code needs to be rewritten to only use 64bit commands in dos.library.
Quote:
ExAll() that supports more then 4GB is only useful when your scanning directories, I think most developers can live whit out this ExAll(), you even have work around for it, open the file and check.

@tboeckel

Quote:

Well your wrong there you have full access to DOS.library 64bit commands.

NB: New applications should use the 64 bit functions;
GetFilePosition(), ChangeFilePosition(), GetFileSize(), ChangeFileSize().

but we do not have working clib and newlib functions for 64bit reading and writing.

so you can write your own software thats easy, but its hard to port Linux programs that does require 64bit newlib or clib functions.

Ctorrent for exsample

@ShInKurO

I don't really care if they are Open source or not, all I care about if they are useful or not.

@ShInKurO

We have aslo:

* Yet another desk
* Scalos

@abalaban

What I can deride the list in two group agree and disagree

The stuff I agree on:

OS:
- USB : USB2 support
- USB : webcams support (isochronous mode) and scanners
- Printing : improvement in the print system
- ReAction : classes improvement, higher level interface, ...
- Charsets, fonts : UTF-8 support
- Clock, PlayCD, Blanker modules : there are a bit outdated, aren't they ?
- PartionWizard : better SFS support
- NTFS

Workbench:
- A lister mode
- Possibility to iconify windows
- Icons : add 32bits and PNG support to IconEdit
- Shell : improvements a la KingCON, addition of tabs, log for each console, settings (background color, ...)

Hardware:
- USB : webcams support (isochronous mode) and scanners
- Bluetooth stack (file transfer, etc.)
- Firewire : for storage




The stuff I disagree on

- Datatypes : improvements in datatypes system (streaming, cross format saving, thumbnails, ...)

Maybe not nessery if programs supported the Netscape plugin API (IB2.4 API).

- Petunia : support of Classic Amiga custom chips

No point, classic software is to buggy and they will not work in none multitask mode anyway, you have EUAE for that kind of stuff.

- Audio : AHI recording

I think its supported.

- Network : IPv6 support in RoadShow

It not a requirement on any OS.

- Multiuser : minimal support for multi-user

Optional!

- GrimReaper : usable GDB that does not freeze the system one time of two when attaching a crashed process

Not whit out better memory protection, you can recover crash logs after warm reboot.

- fix refresh problem in WB scrollbars

I have not noticed any refresh problems!

- Find : too simplest, don't manage to search into every drawers

I use it every day and I have not notice any problem whit it.

- Multiview : add possibility to do a small diaporama, a small playlist, etc.

I think its fine as it is.

- integration of AmiUpdate into the system in order to update it, mode to install yet unstalled softwares

No thanks, me like control.

- Theme manager in the GUI preference

cool but who cares.

- Input : Handling of multimedia keys, joypads

already supported,

- File systems : FAT32

CrossDOS supports that already.
Easyer to use crossdos yes please!

- Samba, OpenSSH : It would be better to make a network handler then plugins for Samba, FTP, SFTP, NFS etc... Advantage of this is that with a good documentation and a sample plugin it's not required that OS4 devs write all plugins themselves.

We need network sharing but Samba is not the right one, SFTP based network sharing maybe.

- A system monitor : task lists and possibility to kill those that are crashed, preview CPU usage

You can't because of the current Intuition system in use, GUI gets stuck until major changes has been done, Grim does it anyway.

- PDF printer
?

* Workbench :
- Possibility to create link

links are for dummies!

- Multi-desktop handling (a la linux)

multi screen support maybe, multi desktop no thanks.

- a "thumbnailer" (a la eastern) : I will even go further and propose (maybe via a preference) to do thumbnails of every file types having an appropriate datatype (yes I know I come back to the datatypes, but that is (was) a so innovative and clever concept that I find it scandalous that it was let apart for so long)...

Yes cool but slow, maybe as view option.

- Screenshot function

Yes in the utility drawer.

- Dockies : possibility to choose which dock the dockies will be added, a true transparency mode

Not whit out a new Intuition system first, too heavy in sw rendering mode!

- Dockies : a dock with only dockies in it to monitor activites of running applications (cpu meter, equalizers for an audio player, indication of received mail for the mailer, progress bar of the burning software, etc.)

if Program supported AmiDook then they will do, look at TuneNet mini dock thing, anyway I hate it because Icons move around if I have it enabled in TuneNet.

- Iconification in the dock itself

I think it better to iconinfy to menus like old MacOS9, icons on desktop or on toolbar is hard to get too.

- AISS yes I agree totally, it must be integrated in the OS, but it would be good to have a way of caching in order to prevent applications spend ages to launch...

I think AISS is slow, takes for every to load simple AISS application, way is that!

* Hardware :
- NVidia GFX-card support

They do not provide documentation so its not possible.

- better profit of gfx-cards (tv and dvi -out, compositing, overlay, opengl etc)

dvi-out is coming,
overlay is supported already.
MiniGL2.0 is coming.

- Bluetooth stack (file transfer, etc.)

Not so important.

- TV Tuner card support

We just need an updated SDK! we just need a DVI-in support, new Digital TV broadcast does not work whit old TV tuner cards anyway.

- Firewire : for storage

USB2.0 is more important.

- functional IDE ZIP drives support (not just in read-only mode)

Out dated, use USB sticks!

@Swoop

I think the bug is some where whit in:

Tracker::SocketReady()

the zero pointer is most likely forwarded to:

Console::Warning()

and zero pointer is then forwarded to lots of sub functions and ends up in vfprintf() in newlib.

Antique will need to have a look at it find and fix the problem, it might where well be that he has never seen the warning or just ignored the problem.

I know he is currently working on newer version of CTorrent.