@Thread
What we need the most in Amigaland is modern literature on programming the Amiga.
Veterans that started in 3.x (or earlier) were able to update their skills a bit at a time, but coming from the outside world it is very difficult to go through a billion pages of Amiga.Guide text (most of which is even outdated).
We need a thorough 2009/2010 edition of "Programming AmigaOS 4.1.1" or new programmers will never touch the thing (and God knows if we need more of them...).

@ChrisH
Yes I get that too!
But it doesn't bother me that much (I just place the cursor where I want it with the mouse and start writing, its rather quirky but it works all the time ).

They will probably get rid of it in 3.21 (hopefully)

@Daedalus
I believe that the button, while not necessary, would be a familiar "thing" for new comers.
After the settlement Hyperion should start thinking about getting some users back, and should give these people (with "brains fried" after years of windows usage) some familiar tools.
Veterans can ignore them of course ;)

But alas, it's not vital for the next update.

@orgin
Is that patch available somewhere?

P.S.
HW accelerated FF, who would have thought of it 6 months ago?

@redfox
I went and tryed hard to check the Google search problem and finally found it!
I noticed that if you go back and forward it eventually crashes, but if you type in a new search from the webpage you reached from google, it works fine (that is why I never encountered the problem before, I generally do that, or open links from google to new tabs so that to get back to the search I either click on the right tab or close the others).
Anyway I went on and installed 3.20

@Kicko
I'm sure there must be problems somewhere, but I must be lucky
Sometimes people which had a positive experience is also needed, before starting browsing with OWB (3.19 being my first version) I heard all kind of problems, and I thought browsing on this thing would be hell, instead to my greatest amazement it works like a charm (even the crashes with Google search/back button, I get none here after 4 days I'm still wondering what should be wrong with this browser, it just Rocks! ). Must be the websites I visit.

As a matter of fact I don't feel compelled to upgrade and I'm still using 3.19 (if I get into trouble eventually, I will download the update then).

@Kicko
I believe that the crashes depend a lot on the website you are visiting.
I've been using 3.19 from 3 days and no crahes at all (rock solid) while I see that those who complain, being the same people, probably can't live without websites that OWB finds somewhat problematic (yes, I hate FaceBook ).

To make an example here is a non-comprehensive list of sites I visited again and again these days (aside from Amigans and AW of course):

Gmail
AnandTech
Arstechnica
IGN (slow but works fine)
Google maps (slow but works fine)
Playasia
NCSX
The-magicbox
Amazon

I'm actually amazed at how correctly it renders the pages (IGN was particularly amazing, I thought it was not browsable at all, but it works fine and speed is bearable).

@Fab
Hi there, didn't expect to see you here
I was talking about a two step phase, the first is reaching MOS (no hiding AOS has to do this first), the second step (MAP) will be about surpassing it.
We'll see about part 2 in the future...

@Krashan
Forgive the extremisms of a guy just back from the C= days, but no matter which vision we might have, it is undeniable that all the best programmers (that includes Fab ) all working on a single platform would produce better and faster results.
And let's be frank here, without the well known troubles (C= bankruptcy->Escom->Gateway and so on) if everything went smooth sailing, there would be no MOS or AROS today.

@DaveP
Your reasoning about Linux being ahead is a little ungenerous, we all know why AmigaOS today is a little behind, and we are willing to support it in order to bring it back to shape.

Aros has failed as a replacement OS because when AOS4 was late and there was no HW to run it on, it failed to evolve and become the new de facto standard.

Even MOS birth initially was to allow Amiga-Like OSs not to die with Amiga, but again, while going slightly ahead, it failed to be contemporary and modern enough to really turn outsiders heads. Look at it now, it is about to be reached and surpassed by AmigaOS (I'm thinking about 4.1.1 and most of all the MAP).

And that is the gist of the problem actually: Aros and MOS were supposed to be saviors but what exactly are they today?

Nothing more than hindering competition stealing from Amiga both users and (worst of all) programmers (or at least they try to do that with all their might.

But it doesn't matter anymore, the fact is, AmigaOS did not die, it is yesterday's news that Ainc has just eliminated all reference to AmigaOS on their website, which is the first major sign from them that AmigaOS is firmly in the hands of a single developer now.

Aos is here to stay (and evolve) the others have just failed their mission (there is no dead OS to replace anymore) and now they better diversify or disappear.

@Antique

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@DaveP
As a matter of fact I ignored the quoted text (yes the text in my first post is an actual quote from AW, and is no more than 2 days old at that!) and thought of discussing this here.

But mine is more of a technical gripe, because as far as politics or philosophy well there is basically no doubt nor room for discussion.

You see, it's not that because Windows7 shares little code with Windows 1.0 (which was only an MS-DOS front end) that we should consider it at the same level of a perfectly reproduced "Windows environment" re-created elsewhere.

Yes I can go out of my way and even reproduce a perfect WinXP environment in Linux, it might even be more stable and more "responsive" and YET, that doesn't make it "more windows" than Windows(tm).

Windows7 is the actual new Windows and AmigaOS4.1 is the actual new AmigaOS.

Aside from whether in the future it will be a better proposition than Ubuntu, there are technical reasons (not political or philosophical ones) that makes AmigaOS 4.1 as the next piece in succession, of a continuos evolution timeline.

I would like technical details from the developers (or other AOS experts) about this.

@Raziel
That is my feeling also.
One could also say that if we analyze AmigaOS evolution time line, well, 4.1 is the most recent product of that time line.
But I am sure it also shares more with 3.1 in technological terms.

I'm sure Rigo or other super experts here can fill us in.

Hi Everyone,

On AW's forum many naysayers from other camps (ok, make that the usual 4 people ) keep on saying things similar to this one:
Quote:

S.Solie was asked something similar at Amiwest and he replied that AmigaOS4 is the original source but "evolved" (not some alien completely written from scratch OS).

So aside from camps patriotism what is the truth on the matter, what makes AOS4.1 more "original" Amiga, than the other two, if we take out the brand name?

Experts with technical knowledge on the subject please chime in!

Drat! Can't find dancing Banans here! A Pint then,
Cheers!

@Thread
Count on my donation

@kwoodall
How nice to hear form Nova here. I am a very old customers of yours (bought V2 and several upgrades for my 2000) always thought ImageFX to be the best image processor on the market! (well at least while it was updated constantly ).

Now that the AMiga horizong is a little clearer, will development ever resume?

@Mrodfr
The more the merrier...

Ok then, first things first: RWO said he will go check for a used printer, as soon as we get his report we'll see what to do next (bounty etc.)

Where does RWO lives?

@Mrodfr
Well, let's do it then, how much does a used one costs?