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I was just wondering if we could boost our available printer drivers if someone were to port GutenPrint (specifically the Ghostscript IJS driver + config options). Any thoughts?

Mark

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Re: The Sam, and me.
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@ChrisH

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Don't optimise! Seriously, -O2 takes half the age of the universe to finish.

Otherwise g++ seems reasonably fast to me. Well, unless you run out of real RAM, and it uses the virtual memory heavily, then it might crawl again.


That is just ridiculous, this just emphasises the need for more grunt in an Amiga machine, not optimising basically means the user ends up paying the price in slow and un-optimised software.

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I do think you have been making things unnecessarily difficult, by doing things the most non-standard (and therefore untested/undocumented) way as possible


If we all wanted to work and do things in the same way we might as well all move across to Windows. Again this is silly, the uboot in the A1 is quite capable of ignoring the onboard IDE, you can select which board/drive to boot from etc. at this point (and no I dont have a SAM) I can only assume that someone has done a shoddy job of porting uboot to the SAM.

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I would imagine that you need the correct Devs:DosDriver for OS4 to know that it should look on your strange PCI card for a CD-ROM drive. Although I'm not sure what the settings should be...


Actually its more likely he needs to uncomment or add into the kicklayout file, the correct SII driver, again this SHOULD (in an ideal world) be done for him either automatically or via some sort of control panel to enable/disable the relevant cards. This is obviously something that needs:

a) better documentation UNTIL

b) a control panel/automater can be written.

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Re: An open discussion on where we go from here
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@Rigo

It is a bit, and if finances were better off, I'd probably chance it, but without more guarantee that its going to work I cant justify the expense right now. Given the reports of other software that now works, and works the way I need it too, I can almost go back to using the A1 as my main machine, but I'd still need the KVM working, which unfortunately I can't test without buying the upgrade etc.... so yes a catch 22 situation all round.

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Re: An open discussion on where we go from here
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@HyperionMP

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The most obvious way for people who are interested in seeing a more rapid evolution of AmigaOS 4.x development, would be to buy Hyperion products.



This is only slightly better than asking people to buy Troikas products. Hyperion have released a half dozen games most with little or no support for OS4 all of which have been released for so long that everybody will have them by now.

Obviously there is OS4.x and given the length of time and state and cost of the hardware most who are going to will have bought it by now.

I will admit to having not bought the 4.1 upgrade, mainly because of the absolutely dire USB support that means OS4 is incompatible with my USB KVM. Which in turn means my A1 is a useless lump under the desk which is coming close to being dumped somewhere unpleasant.

So all in all I'd ask what products could anyone buy to provide those incentives...

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Re: The Sam, and me.
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@DaveP

Sounds like me, Amigas and CD/DVD drives, they always die or even worse turn up dead and you cant get a refund without getting the credit card company involved because the company in question is shit.

Still it all sounds a bit cock-eyed to me, you would expect after this long using uboot, the info would be out there somewhere.

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Re: TFTPBOOT
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@DaveP

Not quite the same, but does this help?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.moppett/Section1.htm

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Re: Assigned project: Graphical Common Download Manager
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@DaveP

Yes I would imagine it would be good to be able to have an api that could be slotted in to a browser (or for that matter any other application) so you could see all your downloads in a single location if you wanted (and obviously set download locations etc), but also provide a filtered list specific to the application.

As you say though it would need more details from the browser writers.

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Re: SabreMSN 0.52 - 2009-07-18
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@DaveP

Must be my faulty brain then, could have sworn I heard mention of an auto increasing stack thingy somewhere, maybe it was a feature (or planned feature) for OS4

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Re: SabreMSN 0.52 - 2009-07-18
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@DaveP

Isn't there an auto stack increase tool around somewhere?

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Re: Allegro News ?
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@Troels

The version for this on OS4depot.net is listed as 1.1, is this just version 1.1 of the amiga verison, or is it the allegro version (which is currently at 5)?

Regards

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Re: Amiga Java status ?
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@orgin

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JAVA's main uses today are for applications and server backends. Using it via a webbrowser plugin is only a parenthesis these days (and have always been imho).

There's lots of useful applications that are written in JAVA and having a proper jvm would be very beneficial for amigaos.


Hear hear, Java has quite a few uses, most of which these days are at the application level, and indeed most users probably wouldnt even notice they are using Java to run the applications they are using.

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Re: An open discussion on where we go from here
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@DaveP

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@Rigo

Anyhow back to the point. If we, for example, define AmigaOS4.x as the "standard" how far along is os4emu I wonder? Does it emulate reaction?


Of course picking any "one" OS as the common standard will immediately alienate all the pro-ponents of the "other" OS(s)

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If there are missing components, it would be interesting to know what they are, to see how hard it would be to plug that gap. If for example the problem is missing "reaction", then how much work for MorphOS users to create a "hostile" version of it like Zune is of MUI? Versus working towards a common user interface library.

But yes, whilst I can see three projects possible, I would like to seek some co-operation from some MorphOS and AROS people first.


Getting this going would be a fairly huge task, finding a common "base" to work from filling in any holes (on either side) and then documenting it, would just be the start, not to mention the need for the aforementioned committee which would need quite a lot work to get right. I mean you cant even get FF/IE/etc to agree on W3C standards let alone this....

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Re: Happy owner of an AmigaOne
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@CountRaven

I've got less posts than you, and my signature works fine...

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Re: Its Back! For One Night Only! The Mikey_C Webcast!
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@Mikey_C

oh god this classifies as a web emergency, where's that conficking internet kill switch......

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Re: An open discussion on where we go from here
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@Rigo

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Some on the forums have touted the idea of running OS4.x on the powerstation. While in essence a rather horny idea, and it would satisfy the high-end hardware drought, it will still offer excuses for those that simply want to moan, to complain about it. It doesn't matter what you do, in any walk of life, those that are not happy will never be satisfied.
I really don't know what the solution is, and luckily it's not up to me to make any decision on the future of AmigaOS 4, just like the rest of us here.


Its more about availability, the powerstation is a readily available product that already runs linux (ie an OS with a lot of readily available apps to plug those gaps we currently have) and could be brought to market with relative ease as an OS4 machine (please note relative easy, not "Easily"). Also following that logic you may just as well give up now, because people are going to moan no matter what you do, and those that are going to moan will always be the loudest.

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So perhaps the idea is to leave the decision making to those that have to make it. I wonder if the MacOS crowd spent countless hours on forums arguing about where the new Mac OS version should go, or what hardware they should port it to? I'm inclined to think that the decision was made behind closed doors, and the "community" only knew about it once it was well under way.

It's a real shame that these countless hours of pointless discussions and regurgitations of the same old same old are not put to better use. Just think what could be achieved if time was put to better use....


I dont wonder, because I know they did, Apple may not have paid any attention (any more than Hyperion will necessarily pay any attention) but it did, and does happen. The point is though, that currently the user base is quite small, not listening to that user base, their needs and wants is a mistake, doesn't necessarily mean that this is the most important user base for Hyperion, nor that they should reach the same conclusions, but by having these discussions in a publicly available forum, means that they can gauge the relevance and needs of those potential customers. Besides which whether we are ignored or not, having a debate/discussion about these things may just change the users mind, may open up other thoughts, and just gets it off our chests which is possibly the whole reason for the forums existence anyway.

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Re: Its Back! For One Night Only! The Mikey_C Webcast!
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@Mikey_C

we're all so disturbed by the nature of your webcasts we come out of hiding in protest :P


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Re: An open discussion on where we go from here
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@number6

That's not quite what I was saying, (I did understand the catch22 reference), I am just disagreeing slightly with your interpretation.

My stance is that the reason we have a lot fewer developers than previously is because for a large number of people the barriers of entry into the OS4 scene are too large. i.e. the hardware and software is too expensive, not necessarily due to exposure, we actually get a lot of exposure (or have historically) on various news sites. The reason we don't get the developers we need is two fold:

1) not enough users to get donations/funds from for released products

2) costs are too high for both users AND developers to dabble if there is no return.

To reduce that you need to be able to run on a machine they already have (ie remove the hardware costs), this given the stated non-option of migrating to x86 means a virtual machine including a PPC emulator.

If this was a virtualbox type scenario (ie the virtual machine is free or included as part of the package) means that users/developers can get involved for the cost of the OS. Meaning that all those OS3 developers that are left with Amithlon/A1200's/etc could more easily move across, the exposure that we do get could more easily be leveraged to entice people to try the system.

My point really that opposes yours, isn't about exposure really, its more about lowering those entry barriers to get people able to join in.

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Re: Its Back! For One Night Only! The Mikey_C Webcast!
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@Mikey_C

arrgggh I remember these, cheesy pop, tortured cats and a fate worse than (well something really bad) springs to mind

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Re: An open discussion on where we go from here
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Or how about something really adventurous:

Run on one of these:
http://scalableinformatics.com/pegasus?quicktabs_1=2#quicktabs-1

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Re: An open discussion on where we go from here
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@DaveP

to be honest the terrasoft powerstation would be ideal if a bit expensive, I doubt that anyone is porting OS4 to it though (that would be too sensible)

(note terrasoft now appears to be fixstars http://us.fixstars.com/store/purchase.php)

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