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Re: SAM440ep completed?
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Posted on: 2007/4/1 10:55
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Not too shy to talk 
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I am a bit sad that they did not say anything about OS4. They only say that porting to various OS has begun, but they don't directly mention OS4 in an announcement made on a OS4 website!  I think the porting is not the problem, but it will be difficult to get license form Amiga Inc. If there was an agreement with Amiga Inc. we would have heard about it. So let's wait and see if we get more news about OS4 later. I still hope that it will be released WITH OS4 around Christmas 2007.
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Re: Silence...
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Posted on: 2007/3/22 17:56
#162
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Not too shy to talk
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@COBRA Quote: COBRA wrote:
@Helge
Note that even if they did a buyback it would not automatically mean that Hyperion would not have the right to continue development and distribution of OS4. Yes, there is a small chance left that they can continue with development if it is all true with the buyback. But they were only contracted for OS4, not for OS5. On Amiga.org somebody had posted a leaked contract between Amiga and Hyperion. I won't trust in it too much because it was only a draft. But that is how people began to know about the word buyback and asked Bill McEwen about this! It said that when buy back happens, Hyperion has to transfer everything back to Amiga Inc: source code, intellectual property and all this stuffs. Quote: They might just want to acquire some of the OS4 sources to use for their OS5 project. I don't think so, because Bill McEwen has said that OS5 will not be based on OS4. It is a completely different thing. Maybe something based on Linux? Who knows...
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Re: Silence...
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Posted on: 2007/3/22 17:27
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@LiveForIt Quote:
LiveForIt wrote:
@Helge
Quote: Because they are fighting about the ownership of OS4 with Amiga Inc.
Fact or fiction? Do we really know if they are in fact disagreeing or even arguing about it?
Bill McEwen said in an interview that Amiga Inc. bought back OS4 from Hyperion in 2003. That means that Hyperion would no longer own OS4 and they could no longer decide what to do with it. Do you think Hyperion agrees with that? They have even responded to the interview with a public statement and said that they don't agree and that some things are now being handled by their lawyers! This is not speculation. Hmm, somebody was faster than me!  
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Re: Is the iPhone Too Late?
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Posted on: 2007/3/22 17:02
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Not too shy to talk
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@Outcast Quote:
Outcast wrote:
@Helge
And a shopping trolley to carry em all in !!
LOL!!! Hej, I am only multitasking with my Amiga!!  
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Re: Silence...
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Posted on: 2007/3/22 16:57
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Not too shy to talk
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@Raziel
I think you are being a bit too pessimistic. I cannot blame you for that, many peoples are and it's only a result of the whole bad situation.
You should however ask yourself one question:
Q: What is the goal of a company?
A: To earn money.
That's already enough to be more optimistic about the future!
More Q&A:
Q: How can Amiga Inc or Hyperion earn money?
A: By selling OS4 for example.
Q: Why can't they sell it now?
A: Because they are fighting about the ownership of OS4 with Amiga Inc.
Q: Will the conflict get settled?
A: Yes, but nobody knows how long that will take.
There is one thing I am very sure about: When the conflict is settled, somebody will release OS4 for new hardware. Maybe it is Hyperion, maybe Amiga Inc. who will sell it and want to make some money with it. They know that we are here. They know that we will pay money for it. They want to make some money because both are companies. Simple as that!
Amiga Inc. wants to make sure that the company behind the hardware is a good one and that they understand the business. I think that must be the reason why they have chosen ACube. They have mentioned them positively in the speech and maybe they think the CPU can be used for embedded markets in the future.
It has taken very long until we have heard such a positive statement from Bill McEwen. But that might frankly be because the other hardware companies (ACK and Troika) did not make a good impression on him. Maybe he did not want anymore the hardware problems of the past and thought that Amy was more buggy or that they are not a stable company with good business standings. Who knows, but there must be reasons!
He also said that there can only be 1 or 2 hardware companies. I think that ACube will be the first one and that there can be maybe one additional one, maybe even the PS3.
We only need to be patient. We have to wait until the discussions are over and the mist has cleared.
It's hard to be patient, but there is not much more we can do about them.
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Re: Silence...
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Posted on: 2007/3/22 14:29
#166
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Not too shy to talk
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@Raziel Quote: First I have to ask: WHY not? They can only earn money if they sell OS4 for SAM. And this applies to Amiga Inc and Hyperion. Even if Hyperion looses the OS, I think Amiga Inc will release OS4 to make some sales. But let's not hope that this happens. But I am 99% sure they will release OS4 at some point. It can only take a while. Let's hope it still happens this year. Otherwise all is lost. Quote: So i can safely add me to the people that WILL wait for a hardware that actually CAN run AmigaOS4. I think many will agree with you. I am only saying that peoples who are interested in Linux should have a look at SAM before OS4 is released for it. It is an interesting platform and when they sell more SAMs, it also has more future as a platform for OS4. I think Amiga Inc. is looking for an economically strong business partner for OS4. When ACube sells many SAMs to Linux users and already has a strong position by sales to Amiga users, it should help a lot for the talks with Amiga Inc.
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Re: Silence...
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Posted on: 2007/3/22 13:55
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Not too shy to talk
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@AmigaPapst Don't get me wrong, I am also mainly interested in OS4 and I don't have much interest in SAM if it NEVER runs OS4. But I still think it's interesting hardware. Quote:
AmigaPapst wrote:
@Helge
I will never buy a Sam without AmigaOS4, thats sure. Many Amigans thinking the same.
But maybe we should buy it when it is released to get familiar with the hardware. We can use the time to buy expansions and develop better and more drivers. When OS4 is then released for Samantha, let's say around Christmas, we have a very polished system.  Some years ago we have done the same with the AmigaOne. When we bought it, it was only running Linux. Most peoples waited patiently, some less patiently, for OS4 to run on it. With SAM it would be not much different.
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Re: Is the iPhone Too Late?
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Posted on: 2007/3/22 12:46
#168
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Not too shy to talk
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@Atheist I don't know if it's too late, but I can honestly tell you that I have no interest in all these fancy things. The producers of mobile phones sometimes forget that there are still customers who only want to do one strange thing with their phones: to make phone calls These peoples dont want to go through hoops to do that. They dont need fancy and flashy menus and a 24bit colours display with 320x240 and a 6 MP camera. They need a phone which is easy to use, simple and that has a long battery life! I still have a very old mobile from Philips. It's called XENIUM and the battery last more than TWO WEEKS! A friend of mine bought a fancy Sony Ericsson mobile and the battery was empty in only 2 days! No surprise, it has the processing power of 6 year old computers!  No thanks, I don't want to go through all that hassle and I still use a stand-alone camera for making photos, a walkman for listening to music and a desktop computer for browsing the internet. Some call me old-fashioned.
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Re: Silence...
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Posted on: 2007/3/22 12:35
#169
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Not too shy to talk
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@AmigaPapst Quote:
AmigaPapst wrote:
@afxgroup
I hope we don't wait of a machine, where only work linux. We need a new OS4 computer with a license, that's clear.
I think Samantha will first appear on the market only with Linux, but that will happen in a few weeks. Samantha with OS4 might still take a while and until the discussions between Hyperion and Amiga Inc. have ended. I still think that some peoples will already order Samantha only with Linux. The hardware looks very interesting, especially the integration of a FPGA! For the release of Samantha with OS4, I hope that we still hear something this year. Maybe before or around Christmas? Otherwise it might be too late because many peoples have left.
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Re: Silence...
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Posted on: 2007/3/20 13:21
#170
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Not too shy to talk
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@nubechecorre Quote:
nubechecorre wrote:
@Cobra
I' d like an update and i' d like some new features in amiga os 4.0
Update? New features in OS 4. 0? They must have called it the final update for a reason...  @ssolie Quote: Things are happening despite the perceived silence. I thought of the same. Mabye they are just silent because they are working hard on a port to PS3.
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Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?
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Posted on: 2007/3/7 11:53
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Not too shy to talk
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@MikeB Quote:
MikeB wrote:
@Helge
Today interesting news is expected to come from GDC 2007. Also interesting (Cell usages with Linux)
Only news from Hyperion or Amiga Inc are interesting news for me. I won't look at the other irrelevant stuffs until I hear something positive from Hyperion or Amiga Inc. Otherwise it has no relevance for OS4. So did you contact them? You didn't answer my question.
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Re: New Quake 3 OS4 version?
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Posted on: 2007/3/7 11:21
#172
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Not too shy to talk
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@ikir
I think our limited development resources are better used for coding better browsers than 8 year old 3D games.
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Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?
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Posted on: 2007/3/3 10:43
#173
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Not too shy to talk
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@MikeB Quote:
MikeB wrote:
@Helge
I'll try to contact Amiga Inc and Hyperion next week again, maybe my information is already outdated.
Have you been successful at contacting either Amiga Inc or Hyperion during this week? I am eager to hear some positive news!
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Re: Amiga OS4 on PS3?? Not as cheap as some thought.
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Posted on: 2007/3/3 0:28
#174
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Not too shy to talk
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@nbache Thank you for this interesting post! @Atheist Quote:
Atheist wrote:
Hi nbache,
That is why I keep saying that a G5 (let's say PA-Semi's dual core) should be the MAIN CPU on a motherboard and the Cell should be a co-processor.
This idea sounds strange, because there is already a PPC-processor inside the CELL. I also don't think that this architecture works. It doesn't make sense and is too expensive. Quote: The Cell isn't 100% instruction compatible with a G4 nor G5, I believe. Does the Cell have Altivec? Yes, the CELL has Altivec, because there is a PPC unit inside the CELL. Quote: I continue to harp on about Altivec, simply because people were led to believe that since it's inclusion, that it was there for the long haul, and are coding with that segment of the CPU in mind. As nbache already said, it's all a matter of using it or taking the time to learn coding for fully optimizing for the CPU. The times where the programming peoples knew every register or particularity of the CPU are over I think. It all depends how good the development tools are and how good they implement every possible optimization. Maybe it is best to look at Apple Macintosh when it still was PPC. Only very few programs had full Altivec optimizations! It wasn't used that much from what I read. Now think of the AmigaOS, there are even less peoples who can and will do that. It's all nice to have I think, but will there really be that much real-world advantages in the end?
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Re: Looks like they are making big progress on IB3.0
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Posted on: 2007/3/2 21:01
#175
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Not too shy to talk
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@ikir Quote:
ikir wrote:
@LiveForIt
I really hope they're progressing fast....
It seems this was really only a rumour. Haven't heard anything from Amizilla since a long time! No status updates, nothing! Is there still anybody working on it? If they give up, what do will they do with the >$10.000?
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Re: Looks like they are making big progress on IB3.0
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Posted on: 2007/3/2 16:56
#176
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Not too shy to talk
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@LiveForIt Yes, I have heard (rumours) that Ibrowse3 is progressing very fast!
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Re: Amiga OS4 on PS3?? Not as cheap as some thought.
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Posted on: 2007/3/2 16:54
#177
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Not too shy to talk
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@MikeB Quote:
MikeB wrote:
@Mikey_C
We can assume prices will go down eventually, due to cost reductions (slmline version) and mass productions.
But they are already doing mass-production, so I don't think this is a very good argument. According to the spokesman of Sony Computer Entertainment America Kimberly Otzman, the PS3 prices will not drop for at least another two years!
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Re: Amiga OS4 on PS3?? Not as cheap as some thought.
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Posted on: 2007/2/28 19:59
#178
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@Troels Quote:
Troels wrote:
@Shadowolf
I haven't seen any 3D stuff running but shouldn't the PS3 have enough CPU power to run whatever we have available now, even without hardware acceleration?
I have searched for the article that describes Quake3 on PS3 and finally found it. Quake 3 on PS3 FeodoraThe peoples in the comments describe it as very slow, some is even joking if it is running at 5fps. The video has been removed, maybe because it showed PS3 in a negative light. I don't know why. I have also looked for information about the layer, it's called Hypervisor. Here you can see a picture how it works. The access to the graphics card and acceleration is completely restricted by this, all you have is a simple framebuffer like 20 years ago! The Hypervisor is something like a virtualization package. Running Linux or AmigaOS on PS3 can be compared to running Linux with Vista using VMWare. I have used VMWare to run Linux on Vista. It is very nice to have and convenient, but you cannot compare it to running Linux directly without virtualization. All 3D games run unplayably slow and you cannot have all the great XGL effects which make the desktop pretty. Maybe there is a CELL-mainboard that we can use instead of the PS3, so without all the restrictions? Does IBM plan to make a desktop board with CELL?
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Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?
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Posted on: 2007/2/28 15:47
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Not too shy to talk
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@MikeB Yes, of course they can access the CPU how else would the OS run then? But I read that they can only access the graphics system through the layer, so there can't be a 3D hardware acceleration by the GPU like on the AmigaOne. The CELL is exciting, but maybe it is a better idea to put it on a real computer mainboard, a real expandable system in a case. It would feel more like an Amiga to us. Hyperion and Amiga would not have to depend on Sony then and we would not have the limitations with the slow GFX through the layer. Are there any mainboards with CELL planned for end-consumers?
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Re: Amiga OS4 on PS3?? Not as cheap as some thought.
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Posted on: 2007/2/28 14:46
#180
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Not too shy to talk
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@Shadowolf Quote:
Shadowolf wrote:
@Atheist
There is a serious problem with the PS3.
It does not allow direct access to graphics and
some other components.
So you get no hardware acceleration for the gfx,
not for 3D, not for 2D.
No acceleration of 3D, are you sure? That sounds like a big drawback, because you couldn't use Warp3D or other acceleration that talks to the graphics card. All would need to be made in software like on old 1MB ISA graphics cards! I think old games and 3D stuffs will run ok because the CELL is fast, but is this really what we want? I have read that someone managed to run Quake3 on the PS3 with Linux with a lot of hassle, very complicated to install. Is it possible to run this without hardware acceleration? Is it fast enough? It would be sad if we can't have fast 3D games on the PS3 when talking to the hardware through the layer. Even more peoples would only play games without OS4 then and buy games from big companies. I have to find the link again describing this.
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