Yes, I understand. However people who boot into stock classic Amigas are in for a shock.

I bought an A500 quite early on and found it painful until I made commands resident ( a simple modification, but it is a big shock without it ) and had a second disk drive.

Then I got an external hard disk and realised that this was how the Amiga was meant to be used. Fast, slick and no sounds like a constipated geriatric straining on the loo whenever you opened a drawer.

But even those simple modifications, which made all the difference to how I viewed WB1.3, are way beyond what a stock Amiga can do.

I thought about this because of that user on another thread whom bought a stock A1200 and is looking to modify it. I forgot for a bit it doesn't come with a pretty workbench, IBrowse and has to put up with AGA and started to remember what it was like: Bad.

It is pretty daunting getting from stock to "usable" on those older machines - usable for our expectations today.

But so long as amigans.net users don't get as arrogant as Linux users were some 8 years ago or like a web page recently which had a nasty remark on it ( they call it irony ) at someone who asked how they could get TCP/IP stack down onto a machine that doesn't have TCP/IP.

The point is new users of computers today have different expectations. They don't like to go around the houses to do what is common currency and they don't remember about 3.5" floppy disks and things like that. They probably don't think that you can connect a computer up to a TV ( a computer, not a console ).

The literate forget also.

Ok, sorry when i was a bit too harsh.

But i will give you an example of what i mean.

There are people who are buying every year a new computer
like some people do it with buying a new car every few years.
Then you have people who dig out their old computers or
startup an emulator because they love the simple way it all
worked. I gues you can compare these people with people who
refurbishe their old classic car.

So what i want to say is that you can not generalise your thoughts
that it must always be the newest and fastes computer that you
must have to do the right thing. It depends from person to person.

i sent more tha 10 emails to hyperion for a original cd but nothing....

Oh, I think that we would all like to participate in
bringing OS4 forward. However, it hasn't been released for
the classic platforms yet, and I don't know if you can use
a developer cd for OS4.

I believe that you need to be a betatester to run OS4 on
classic hardware...

You should be able to compile your software for OS4 on OS3.

I know nothing though and this post obviously shows it.

How sad...

It isn't a mistake, it is the whole point. You don't realise that things are progessing as much as they are when they are progressing.

This is why I don't get people who say that AmigaOS4.0 isn't a proper AmigaOS because it doesn't feel like AmigaOS. I say these people haven't used it, or they have gotten so used to their old tweaks and customisations they forget half of what they find alienating is their own home-making.

How did I ever learn to love Workbench 1.3? By coming from the ZX Spectrum.

Could I love it now? No.

AmigaOS 4.0 is the culimation of what AmigaOS is, and although it is essentially out of date ( in comparison with the latest Linux distributions and Windows XP/Vista ) in certain respects it is utterly Amiga.

Amiga OS 3.9 on the other hand always felt a bit like using someone elses customised Workbench 3.1.

You make one big mistake here, you compare it all to the present time!

All the AmigaOS-versions where great seen in the time-frame they where in.

I can also say something negative;

all the OS's that you see today will be bad in 10 years time, see?!

In any incarnation is AmigaOS secure enough to risk connecting to the internet with your private data on the system?

Every other OS out there has holes and flaws and I was wondering ( in the light of a lot of people investigating the retro classic market ) if it is worth building a list of what you should and should not do with an Amiga online?

Is the advice always: Use a hardware firewall.

Wanted : I want to buy an original AMIGA OS04 developers CD. I hold 3 PPC AMIGA (2 1200 one with Grex, one with Bvision and one A3000T with mediator), I hope someone who doesn?t want to participate any more on the OS04 classic project to give me the opportunity to run and assist this special OS.
thanks

Is Mikey_C not a good looking man then?

Is anyone running stock ( no patches or gizmos ) levels of Workbench?

I tried recently, here is what I found:

Workbench 1.3

ARRRRGGGHHH!!! God this is AWFUL. Like the busy pointer though.

Workbench 2.04

Ugly, more pro looking but really ugly and doesn't do much. No backdrop picture!

Workbench 3.0

Disgusting. How was I ever persauded to use one of these?

Workbench 3.5

Hmm, almost like a real OS ;)

Workbench 3.9

Getting better, works pretty well off the CD.

Workbench 4.0 ( AmigaOS 4.0 )

Now that is what I call a decent out of the box experience.

The thing that is going to constrain you more than anything is space.

Memory, hard disk.

Because it is almost impossible to find a memory module for the Amiga that doesn't cost as much as one with an accelerator I'd buy the following off e-bay as a bare minimum to get going:

040/060 accelerator with as much ram as you can get.
360MB hard drive ( 2.5" ) or above.
IDE cable splitter ( 2.5" ) or adapter ( 3.5" )
CD-ROM drive, external or internal doesn't really matter as you are going to mount it outside.

I'd install Workbench on the new hard disk, I'd then get hold of Miami demo, or NetConnect ( if you can get access to it ) or an old OS3.5/3.9 CD. I have one lying around if you need one.

Then if you aren't going the 3.5/9 route start downloading stuff off the web. If connected to a PC monitor or a multisync monitor use DBLNTSC mode with 16 colours at 800x600. Forget DBLPAL - it flickers too much.

Don't use anything above that in terms of colour depth for the workbench as you'll saturate the custom chips and the serial cable starts to cut out ( it does on mine anyhow ).

Connect to the net, enjoy. Download stuff.

If OS3.5/3.9, well just run the network setup and its about the same but much more usable.

I know all about the restrictive licensing issue between Amiga and Hyperion from reading some draft contract on google. I know that when they release AmigaOS4.0 control can revert out of their hands.

What I am talking about here is how we can continue putting the politics aside.

I have an AmigaONE XE and it is not very well. It faired a bit longer than my other machine ( which was bought to try out another Amiga-a-like OS on PPC ) on which the CPU set fire to itself.

I am getting a bit worried as to what I will do next. AmigaOS4.0 obviously runs on top of firmware on a PPC with a certain subset of devices but exactly what is stopping it being used on a firmware emulator ( if it is possible with U-Boot ) written for either a PPC emulator or another PPC board ( perhaps one of the up and coming hobbyist PPC boards )?

The way I figure it is I have paid to use this prerelease and it isn't really my fault the XE is out of warranty and I have treated it with care but it does seem to be freezing a lot more recently. If it goes the way of the P*****s board and ends up in a skip what do I do then?

Can I not ever run AmigaOS4.0 again?

The ideal scenario would be for me to have a PPC emulator on my Sony VAIO until new hardware becomes available. I *know* I'd have to say that it was running slower than native to onlookers ( or maybe just a backdrop saying it ) if I wanted to show it off. But do we have a contingency plan? A plan F?

Those are all good ones! Not much of a joke here, but I did have a dream that Mikey_C and I both died and went to Heaven. When we both woke up in Heaven, I noticed that I was tied with golden rope to an extremely ugly woman, and Mikey_C was tied to an absolutely beautiful woman, the likes of which I had never seen before.

After all of us stood there tied up for a while, St. Peter came strolling in and greeted us to Heaven, and asked if we had any questions. Not missing a beat, I quickly spoke up:

"St. Peter, why am I tied to this horribly ugly woman?"

"Sauron, you're being punished for your sins that you weren't able to repent before you died."

"So why is Mikey_C tied up to an extraordinarily beautiful woman then?"

"Oh, that's simple; she's being punished for her sins."

:)

One of the first Amigas that I actually got to use was an A2000. I agree, they were quite a solid machine, and made this Atari 1040ST owner quite a bit jealous. I lusted hardcore after the Amiga after getting to use my friend's (and play a game or two of Agony!), and managed to get C= to send me some propaganda on the upcoming A4000 and A1200. :)

@klesterjr
Ibrowse looks better than IE from those piks
so it should

@Severin
your just teasing us now

come on what can you tell us about 2.4 ?

@Adept
as long as he ports it he can know what ever he wants too know

@All
its great to see so many saying what a great site this is

so to all involved in its development a big well done

@ RomanceClip
check the battery also what os is on your 600 ? rom chip ?

@Mothman

congrats its working
its always good too see it still works bet you yelled out in joy