They still existed though, and that was the point I was making.

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I drew 2.0-style 1.3 busy pointer (ie. a zzz with the 2.0 3D effect) ages ago, and I'm still using it on my AmigaOne. It's nicer than the default stopwatch (or I think so, anyway).

I uploaded it to Aminet not long ago as I thought others might like to use it:
http://aminet.net/package/pix/theme/zzz

Chris

@Mitch

I don't know what the VMS and MVS operating systems are about. I have never heard about those. Which computer were they designed for?
Of course I have heard about Unix, but I don't think it is comparable to Amiga OS. Unix is made for servers and the world wide web while Amiga OS is made for us, the consumers. People who appreciate its advanced multitasking capabilities.

@RomanceClip

I am shocked to hear that you had these fights with your brother. A computer system should not be the cause for such negative emotions. I think we should all make sure that we are here because of the fun of computing. Everytime I look at my Amiga, I get this warm feeling in the stomach. Positive emotions, that is what the Amiga computer is to me!

Wings???

I know Wings from the disks, played it through, great atmosphere,
challenging, but i think you are talking about Wing Commander?

Well, WC i never finished, hehe, lost interest after being too
early on top of the roster and none of my wingmans could
catch up, started to loose them like flys to a honeypot in
later missions, though, gave up on it :-/

Still nice game

@site devs

ClusterMaps would make a neat addition to Amigans.net

Somewhere on the top right would be nice, too much free
space up there

Thanks for the suggestion, Raziel. Just ordered Superfrog from Software Hut. I'll keep Pirates Gold! in mind just in case they don't have the other.

Also Wings even though I'd prefer to hear from someone who's actually played it and had some experience with it.

Superfrog definitely, one of the best Jump'n Runs around and
with the funny intro from Eric W. Schwartz it takes it beyond

Pirates Gold! is also a great classic

So a basic FAQ for complete beginners would have topics like:


Personal security and the Amiga

= Basic precautions

= Remote shells and file transfer

= Types of software not to install

= What to check before you connect directly or put your Amiga in a DMZ

= What if I really must run some of the not recommended packages on my intranet/internet

Privacy and the Amiga

= General privacy, and how to get it working under the Amiga

Developing Daemons

= Pitfalls

= Good design patterns

> Now do you see my point? "I should be ok" sure. "you are ok so long as you don't open a port" sure. But what if someone does?

In one word: Don't.

The Amiga is hardly suited for serving documents to a publicly exposed network, and it is definitely unfit for running CGI scripts -- at least by the means of executing binary code. What I would find myself halfway comfortable with, though, is when the webserver (and all accompanying CGIs) were written in safe scripting languages, i.e. pointer-less, with automatic memory management. But I still wouldn't run such a setup unless I had written every single line of code myself.

Use Linux oder *BSD for serving documents to the outside world, that's what they are made for. Get a VServer-enabled kernel or use 'jails' and setup your software in a virtual environment. You can even mess around with half-finished scripts in a public network then. OS3 and 4 simply lack the needed features for that.

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That is interesting! My younger brother of two years bought a 520ST some time after I bought my A500. We had big arguments over the computers and he turned increasingly vitreolic and vile towards me and my family.

I ended up having a nervous breakdown which I believe was a direct result of all this. I believe he was so eaten up with jealousy over my A500 that he went out and bought the ST in sheer malice and spite. Luckily I was saved (physically, emotionally and spiritually) by the Jehovah's witnesses from the Kingdom Hall 2 blocks away. I haven't spoken to my brother since this time (1989) and I have been told by God that the devil used my brothers' Atari as a conduit to take his soul.

I don't have a grudge against Atari users in general.

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looks like that's the problem, I changed my fast link button from the IP to the hostname and it's coming up properly now, ty.

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erm... scroll down a bit and you'll see a 'quote' button below the options, to the left of the Preview button

UNIX. VMS. MVS.

All highly advanced operating systems of the time. Again, for a shop-OS it was advanced, but in the real world of "all OSes" it wasn't.

Plus I am talking about the OS, not the "hardware" of the Amiga.

Then that is before we mention the Sinclair QL.

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You are kidding right?

The alternative was a peecee running with 4 colours, sixteen if you were lucky and a rasping beep sound. The operating system was MSDOS 2 or 3 and you could run Digital Research GEM if you were a masochist.

I agree with the Sister that Workbench 1.x was out of this world when it appeared in the shops running on an A1000.

The whole package was more futuristic than the science fiction films of the time. I remember configuring 'Say' to sound like HAL from the movie 2001. I used to try and get it to say;
"I'm afraid I cannot do that, Dave".
I used to invite friends round and say to my Amiga, "Open the pod bay door HAL".
Later, I would program all the phrases spoken by HAL into my Amiga. "Just a moment!, just a moment!, "I'm losing my mind Dave", "I can feel it".

Al in all, I really do believe that for productivity, you just can't beat WB2.05. I am yet to see something out there that can compete with this sublime Operating System.

If Retrogeek can find me a decent A2000 then I might try 3.1 - he advises that the A2000 is the best machine to run this on - but deep down I believe that I will probably go back to 2.05.

In this case, I will probably return to my A600 because it is a very convenient size and I never use the keypad.

There is a step by step guide to using samba on the internet for the Amiga. Written by the same Mikey_C. It would help the clueless get it online.

It is possible to set up an insecure samba configuration - especially if you are desperately trying to hack things about.

As there are daemons available on os4depot, people will install them, use them and some will forget they have them live. WindowsXP home is a desktop OS, so was Windows 98, and 95, and ME. All of them are incredibly easy to screw up what little security they have by default and install daemons.

All these words of advice that have been put on this thread need to be put into a faq, or a wiki or something.

I hope amigans.net will provide a wiki facility. If you don't know what danger you are putting yourself in by installing a bit of software, you will end up putting yourself at risk at some point.

That is why spyware scanners also pick up keystroke loggers, the odd trojan and other foolish error. That is why nessus doesn't just test ports that are open, it looks for badly configured software running on them. If we don't ever contribute plugins ( for example ) it never will be able to. If we don't think about it sooner, the task will become mammoth the more software is written and used on our Amigas whatever its internal architecture.

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Even if you had one it would not do you any good, it will not run on a classic, A1's use UBOOT and SLB to load in the kickstart modules, You don't have either, the classic OS is started in a different way and needs different files, so forget it and wait for an official release.

I'd like to buy a new game for my CD32. What I currently have are Pinball Fantasies and Sleepwalker (which came with the system), Defender of the Crown II, Lemmings, Microcosm, Sim City, Labyrinth, Liberation, The Chaos Engine, Guy Spy, and The Hound of the Baskervilles. Any ideas for another good game?

Ok, I got your point.
But you should separate some things. AmigaOS4 is a desktop OS. Not a server operating system. For HTTP/etc server I would use Linux or BSD. So daemons should be out of our picture.
You can use them for testing or hobby but not for serious server install. That's a different story and that need multiuser support in lower level.
As a webclient I'd say OS4 is secure. If you are using telnet it's the same as on any other system. It's vulnerable for snooping.
You should be careful with Samba only but if you have knowledge to install and maintain it, you should know what you are doing.

But we are consumers! When it was released, AmigaOS was the best of all consumer operating systems.
My sister used to own an Atari ST at that time. We always argued about what the better computer was.
As I remember, the Atari did not have any multitasking capabilities at that time. And the operating system looked very ugly and had neon green colours!
I preferred my Amiga with a blue Workbench 1.3.

Thanks for the link, Raziel.