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Re: The Memory Protection Debacle
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Posted on: 2007/9/5 9:46
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I'd like to expand on what I'm saying...
Basically, because there's two flavors of AOS4.x, then whatever was desired could be done practically freely on the MP/RT version, and just general improvements could be done on the other.
When doing development, it could be done on the MP version, then recompiled for the other when the SW glitches are virtually all gone.
Besides, this leaves us free with an OS that is game dedicated (very lean), for instance, that other overhead, is it needed for games? Do many people multi-task (run a messageboard, fileshare, render?) when playing NeverWinter Nights or Quake or Everquest?
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Support Amiga Fantasy cases!!! How to program: 1. Start with lots and lots of 0's. 10. Add 1's, liberally.  "Details for OS 5 will be made public in the fourth quarter of 2007, ..." - Bill McEwen Whoah!!! He spoke, a bit late.
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Re: Problem mit dem SFS 1.275
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Posted on: 2007/9/5 9:33
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@BlackHawk "I hope that it okay am which I for German write, would be on English me too heavy. The problem with the SFS1.275 exists with the Amiga OS 3.9. After that first the instruction "SYS updates on new SFS von Version 1.273 to 1.275 becomes:" no more recognized. It is to be called e.g. not possible the instruction format over the Workbenchleiste, that starts the instruction from the drawer system folds without problems. The second problem is with the new version the non removable disks no longer to format leaves itself. After the high-speed formatting with SFS format or with the format instruction of Amiga OS 3,9 always indicated no valid DOS disk present is. Hope that the problem to solve is." At least usable. 
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A1-XE/G4@933+Radeon7500/64MB, A1200BPPC+BVision
AmigaOS4 on both of course. 
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Problem mit dem SFS 1.275
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Posted on: 2007/9/5 9:20
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Hallo, ich hoffe das es okay ist das ich auf deutsch schreibe, auf englisch w?re mir das zu heavy. Das Problem mit dem SFS1.275 besteht beim Amiga OS 3.9. Nach dem updaten auf das neue SFS von Version 1.273 auf 1.275 wird zun?chst die Angabe "SYS:" nicht mehr erkannt. Es ist z. B. nicht m?glich den Befehl Format ?ber die Workbenchleiste aufzurufen, das starten des Befehls aus der Schublade System klappt ohne Probleme. Das zweite Problem ist das sich bei der neuen Version die Festplatten nicht mehr formatieren lassen. Nach dem Schnellformatieren mit SFSFormat oder mit dem Formatbefehl von Amiga OS 3.9 wird immer angezeigt das keine g?ltige DOS Disk vorhanden ist. Hoffe das das Problem zu l?sen ist. Ciao... Black Hawk
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Re: AmiTV 0.4 (CX2388X and Bt8x8)
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Posted on: 2007/9/5 8:20
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@Spirantho Err, not to sound pesky, but could you (if time allows) comment on #26, please? I got myself a PCI slot freed and am seriously looking to get a TV card... Thanks a lot
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People are dying.
Entire ecosystems are collapsing.
We are in the beginning of a mass extinction.
And all you can talk about is money and fairytales of eternal economic growth.
How dare you!
– Greta Thunberg
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Re: The Memory Protection Debacle
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Posted on: 2007/9/5 8:16
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@Jurassicc Quote:
Will anything be done to automatically, without user
intervention, protect kickstart modules / startup-sequences
etc. Perhaps at the DOS level against malware.
You are allowed to write-protect files. When you think thats not enough, you are allowed to boot from write-protected media. When you want to protect kickstart modules in memory, OS4 already write protects the code and read-only data/bss sections of them.
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Re: The Memory Protection Debacle
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Posted on: 2007/9/5 8:12
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@TetiSoft Well, for a "mainly font guy" you are one hell of help on the OS4 ml. Thanks for all the bugfixes and/or feature requests you dragged further on the beta list/bugtracker. VERY much appreciated, thanks a lot @thread Err...yes i want one
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People are dying.
Entire ecosystems are collapsing.
We are in the beginning of a mass extinction.
And all you can talk about is money and fairytales of eternal economic growth.
How dare you!
– Greta Thunberg
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Re: The Memory Protection Debacle
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Posted on: 2007/9/5 8:07
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@samwel Quote:
Yes, better/larger USB support would indeed be wanted.
I think this is tetisofts part.
I worked on USB just because the expert developers in this area didnt have enough time and I wanted to get some bugs fixed. I dont have the feeling to be responsible for the USB stack. In fact I have no (completely stable) working USB hardware My main goal was to allow OS4 to boot from USB, it does it now, like it can boot from floppy or RESRAD: or BOOTRAD:. The part where I really feel responsible for is the font system.
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Re: USB Card reader and A1 internal USB - connection problem
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Posted on: 2007/9/5 7:54
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Home away from home
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@GrumpyOldMan Heh, no problem...thanks for the answer I did the drilling myself, but couldn?t get anything to work. I wasn?t even able to make UBoot see the new device, but of course this could be due to my not fixed hardware. Will see how it does when i get my board back. One question though, you stated in your first mail: Quote:
In A1:
+5v D- D+ GND x
+5V D- D+ GND SHL
I presume that this is meant while looking at the pins and counting from left to right, that is "back" of the mobo (where the original USB ports reside) to "front" (where the IDE connectors are)? @tonyw Thanks for the confirmation on the colors But why is the pin layout on the mobo "different" (missing or misplaced "hole")? I thought the AOne was PC conform? Or did i just got myself a not normed 3rd party hardware?
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People are dying.
Entire ecosystems are collapsing.
We are in the beginning of a mass extinction.
And all you can talk about is money and fairytales of eternal economic growth.
How dare you!
– Greta Thunberg
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Re: The Memory Protection Debacle
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Posted on: 2007/9/5 5:48
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Quite a regular
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Quote: Hans wrote:
@Atheist
Rogue has already stated that old software will run in a restricted subenvironment. That way they'll still run, but won't take down the whole system if they screw up. Hi Hans, I wonder if it'll be divided into two sections? Like, if you have one Gig of ram, 512 Megs operates as "unified conventional" memory under the old AOS way, and the other 512 is completely memory protected? So, all SW in the second 512 Megs will be able to interact with each other, just as before. Then, maybe there should be some slider involved that could change the ram sizes, with minimums for both sides. I wonder which side the ram: and RAD: disks would be on and how this would affect them?
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Support Amiga Fantasy cases!!! How to program: 1. Start with lots and lots of 0's. 10. Add 1's, liberally. "Details for OS 5 will be made public in the fourth quarter of 2007, ..." - Bill McEwen Whoah!!! He spoke, a bit late.
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Re: The Memory Protection Debacle
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Posted on: 2007/9/5 5:29
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Home away from home
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@Atheist
Rogue has already stated that old software will run in a restricted subenvironment. That way they'll still run, but won't take down the whole system if they screw up.
Hans
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Re: The Memory Protection Debacle
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Posted on: 2007/9/5 5:08
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Hi samwel, Rogue,
Okay..... I am the last person who wants to make this post/point, but if I'm thinking it, so are others.
If AOS4.x gets MP and resource tracking (apparently there's not a consensus but some think "RT" will break old SW) then;
1) We don't have the CPU (680x0)
2) We don't have the custom chipset (OCS/ECS/AGA)
3) and ALSO we lose all old SW (Aminet....whooossshhhh!)
So, what's the difference between "AOS4.x" and AROS? Oh, besides a quad-core x86 at 2.4 GHz FULL system costing a mere US$1,700????
Oh, I'm not nearly set to pack it in though, because I HATE the alternatives.
I think a branching is needed... Two versions of AOS4.x, one with MP and resource tracking, and a "fun" one, without.
Do I think instability is fun?
Do I think virii are fun??
Do I think making it harder for coders to achieve their goals fun???
NO!!!
I do NOT think those things, but I still think there is a place for the "old ways" and also DON'T believe that SMP is ONLY possible with an MP'd OS. There have to be other ways of doing things, and "Amiga" is ALL about that. Doing it different,... Mac DOESN'T own that one*, sorry.
* "Think different."
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Support Amiga Fantasy cases!!! How to program: 1. Start with lots and lots of 0's. 10. Add 1's, liberally. "Details for OS 5 will be made public in the fourth quarter of 2007, ..." - Bill McEwen Whoah!!! He spoke, a bit late.
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Re: Seeking Confirmation...
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Posted on: 2007/9/5 2:54
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@goody
The same estimates that made USA government say there were WMD in Iraq and then invade it? The same estimates that made USA government say Saddam was helping Bin Laden and then invade Iraq? The same estimates that made Bush say the Iraq war was going to be short and then Iraq would be a peaceful country? The guys in charge of estimates in your government should be fired, they are not very reliable at all, I'd say...
Saddam was just as dictator in the end of his days as he was in the beginning, but USA government had no problem in supporting and finance his army and war against Iran when that was OK with USA interests. The Iraqi people was suffering Saddam atrocities in the beginning as much as it did lately (or even worse, with some villages gassed with weapons sold by USA, more than 5000 people killed), but then it seems it was no problem to USA government to be the best friend of the dictator. How many Iranians were killed with guns and bombs supplied to Iraqi dictator by USA goverment? Could this be considered an USA "act of war" against Iran?
Oh, and, as a side-note, the list of dictators supported by different USA governments in different countries and periods could fill a wall, including the Iranian dictator Shah Mohammed Reza Palhavi. They did even in MY country.
And, oh, what a coincidence, it's not an extremely poor Central-African country with a dictator the one to be invaded, oh, no, it's one of the countries with more oil (third country in oil reserves and second in gas reserves) under their feet. What a coincidence...
Sorry, but it looks to me like just another excuse to invade just another country.
Saluditos,
Ferr?n.
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Re: Seeking Confirmation...
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Posted on: 2007/9/4 21:24
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@Ferry Quote:
Ferry wrote:
@goody
Quote:Iran is actively committing acts of war at his time.
Care to give some examples, please?
Saluditos,
Ferr?n.
Sen. Joe Lieberman - Quote:
He said that he has seen evidence that the Iranians are supplying insurgents and foreign fighters in Iraq.
"By some estimates, they have killed as many as 200 American soldiers," he said.
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Nice contest collection !
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Posted on: 2007/9/4 21:24
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Hi AmiKit, I was just looking at all the nice wallpapers from the contest! #6,25,34, and 35 are interesting!
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Re: Whdload for OS4 on P5-cards?
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Posted on: 2007/9/4 21:04
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@Mufasa Quote:
Mufasa wrote:
@LiveForIt
Quote:
My program is called WHDLoad just like the old 68k program, the only difference is instead of emulating anything, it writes a start-up script for the game in question and boot up AmigaDOS under E-UAE and then executes the game startup script and 68k version of WHDLoad.
I'm glad to hear it. So it seem there is no problems at all.
BTW: Where can I download this version of WHDLoad ?
I hope there is some instructions in how to use this version of WHDLoad aswell.
you find it on os4depot.net, ask me if you have problems. I think this line are missing in startup-sequence: makedir ram:t assign t: ram:t
Edited by LiveForIt on 2008/2/15 18:37:06
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(NutsAboutAmiga)
Basilisk II for AmigaOS4
AmigaInputAnywhere
Excalibur
and other tools and apps.
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Re: The Memory Protection Debacle
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Posted on: 2007/9/4 21:00
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@samwel
Well, partly you understand my "problem"... LifeForIt doesn?t really, I think.
To make it clear: I see the need for MP in future versions of OS4, no doubt. BUT (a BIG but) I don?t see any chances to get OS4 in a more advanced state, if we change the path every now and then. I don?t believe in all drivers being useable under a new MP enabled system, I don?t see all the 3rd party libraries running under this system, I don?t see many vital parts of a future OS4 running under a MP enabled system in a relatively short time.
So, we will stay at this half finished level we just reached and we will stay there for a long time, just because we lack developers and many parts of the actual OS4 are not polished or even finished yet.
My problem still is, that development of OS4 only software will be stalled because there are no good development tools, lack of documentation, new OS-features without the right SDK (which now is stalled for an unknown time) and so on.
I have no problem with some discussion about future must have features, but I think that there are much more urgent problems we should solve right now, before we start to work actively on MP and such (and no, I?m not able to solve all this alone but I?m doing my part on it).
Btw., I just own Cubic and I?m working with it. But if you compare it to the tools other systems have, you will see it lacks some very important features (not important for me but for other developers not used to develop for AmigaOS and that are the developers we want).
I understand Rogue?s post and fully agree to it, but I think we think and dream much too far right now. There should be more work concentrated on finishing and polishing the parts we have and then going on to new and must have features with full energy. Actually I have the feeling that this energy is put on too much construction sites, so it may be used very inefficient.
Greetings
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Re: Whdload for OS4 on P5-cards?
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Posted on: 2007/9/4 20:34
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Just popping in
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@LiveForIt Quote:
My program is called WHDLoad just like the old 68k program, the only difference is instead of emulating anything, it writes a start-up script for the game in question and boot up AmigaDOS under E-UAE and then executes the game startup script and 68k version of WHDLoad.
I'm glad to hear it. So it seem there is no problems at all. BTW: Where can I download this version of WHDLoad ? I hope there is some instructions in how to use this version of WHDLoad aswell.
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Re: Have the Wheels Fallen Off? (AId vs. HE)
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Posted on: 2007/9/4 18:51
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@all As posted here: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/v ... hp?topic_id=24100&forum=2The judges' schedule is in .pdf files, which I asked sundown to summarize for this week. Quote: Edit: No Hyperion/AInc schedule for Sept. 4th thru 7th shown. Bookmark the site, if you really want to know this info. #6
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Re: Need feedback on ffmpegGUI for future enhancements - New v0.7 Released!
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Posted on: 2007/9/4 17:19
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Just can't stay away
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@ktadd
@afx
keep going champs!
ktadd: if you get bored in the future, there's another
gfxpackage that surely could use a gui.
ImageMagick.
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Re: Whdload for OS4 on P5-cards?
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Posted on: 2007/9/4 17:15
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Just popping in
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Quote:
LiveForIt wrote:
UAE whit interpreted emulation probably be tiny bit slow on classic system 
Yes. I would recommend a dual boot system with AOS3.x to run WHDLoad. Quote: On the other hand if is possible to use memory virtualization feature under OS4 to fake the memory map of classic system, then maybe UAE can run on top OS4 JIT emulation, just imagine the speed benefit, if you have stock 68020 CPU at 12 mhz, whit OS4 JIT most likely get 680X0 whit 50+ Mhz under emulation even on slow PowerPC 604, 200 Mhz PowerUP card. This would be something to improve UAE. Not appropriate for WHDLoad because it also needs the cia/custom chips.
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