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Software News : NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
Posted by Chris on 2008/12/15 1:08:48 (2442 reads) News by the same author
Software News

I'm getting in trouble from Mikey_C due to not publicising updates enough, so this is an official announcement that the Christmas preview release of NetSurf 2.0-development for AmigaOS 4 is now available.

NetSurf is a fast CSS-capable web browser for RISC OS, Linux, BeOS and AmigaOS 4.

Download or get it through AmiUpdate if you have the previous version.

More information on NetSurf can be found at http://www.netsurf-browser.org

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Paul
Published: 2008/12/15 2:17  Updated: 2008/12/18 21:24
Not too shy to talk
Joined: 12/01/2006
From: Michigan, USA
Comments: 404
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
@Chris,

Well, thank you to Mikey for bugging you about posting updates. Youi've made some really nice progress on Netsurf.

Downlaoding, window sizing, tabs working nicely

Nice work Chris.

The only problem I've found in the limited use I just gave it was that it would not let me log on at amigans.net. So I had to go back to another browser to post this.

edit: Two days later, I had no problem logging in here. So it's not a Netsurf problem. Yay, Chris!

Paul
Richi
Published: 2008/12/15 2:27  Updated: 2008/12/15 2:27
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Joined: 06/14/2007
From:
Comments: 23
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
Hi,
can you post the changelog?

Thanks
Richi
samo79
Published: 2008/12/15 2:40  Updated: 2008/12/15 2:40
Home away from home
Joined: 12/02/2006
From: Italy, Perugia
Comments: 3140
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
Great news
AmigaClyde
Published: 2008/12/15 4:08  Updated: 2008/12/15 4:08
Just popping in
Joined: 03/03/2007
From: Noranda Canada
Comments: 46
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
Wow! Great news.
Thanks
Mikey_C
Published: 2008/12/15 9:43  Updated: 2008/12/15 9:43
Amigans Defender
Joined: 11/19/2006
From: Cambridgeshire, UK.
Comments: 2068
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
Finally! I have done something positive for the Amiga community
Rudei
Published: 2008/12/15 9:51  Updated: 2008/12/15 9:51
Not too shy to talk
Joined: 11/24/2006
From:
Comments: 460
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
Nothing to do with the persuasion on the way home from the ANT Xmas party in the car

I shall try this out, pronto.

Rude!
TCD
Published: 2008/12/15 13:34  Updated: 2008/12/15 13:34
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Joined: 12/06/2006
From: Orpington, Kent
Comments: 61
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
Good work Rudei
Valiant
Published: 2008/12/15 14:53  Updated: 2008/12/15 14:53
Not too shy to talk
Joined: 11/27/2006
From: West Jordan, Utah, USA
Comments: 377
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
How do you set the resolution of the screen it uses? Right now it defaults to such a low-resolution screen that it's practically useless.
PEB
Published: 2008/12/15 15:10  Updated: 2008/12/15 15:10
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Comments: 431
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
Change it in Resources/Options (look for "window_screen_width:" and "window_screen_height:").
Ricossa
Published: 2008/12/15 17:19  Updated: 2008/12/15 17:19
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Joined: 11/29/2006
From: Geneva CH
Comments: 227
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
It can't display a greek page like

http://www.cmkon.org/

On OWB the text is readable, not in Ns or IBr.

Thanks for the update !
Kicko
Published: 2008/12/15 19:21  Updated: 2008/12/15 19:21
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Joined: 10/25/2007
From: Gothenburg / Sweden
Comments: 1175
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
Thanks for the update mikey_c ;)
Chris
Published: 2008/12/15 19:48  Updated: 2008/12/15 19:48
Amigans Defender
Joined: 11/17/2006
From: England
Comments: 3227
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
@Richi
Love to, but I don't have one and can't remember what's new!

@Valiant
You'll need to set screen_depth as well.

@Ricossa
I know. If you set your default charset to Greek you'll probably be able to see it though.
TSK
Published: 2008/12/16 1:16  Updated: 2008/12/16 1:32
Just can't stay away
Joined: 02/23/2007
From: Finland, the land of Santa, sauna, sisu and salmiakki
Comments: 1097
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
@Chris
Could you also add possibility to use any public screen ? How to find correct value for screen_modeid ?
Chris
Published: 2008/12/16 1:45  Updated: 2008/12/16 1:45
Amigans Defender
Joined: 11/17/2006
From: England
Comments: 3227
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
@TSK

maybe. i was considering changing the use_workbench thing to use_pubscreen:pubscreenname

The screen_modeid needs to be in decimal, or x followed by the hex value. It's really there for when I finally sort out an options gui. an asl screenmode requester will show you the id numbers i think
poweramiga
Published: 2008/12/16 4:49  Updated: 2008/12/16 4:49
Amigans Defender
Joined: 11/18/2006
From: Flinders NSW Australia
Comments: 772
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
nice work am posting from netsurf :) good work
Ricossa
Published: 2008/12/16 6:38  Updated: 2008/12/16 6:38
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From: Geneva CH
Comments: 227
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
@ Chris

> I know. If you set your default charset to
> Greek you'll probably be able to see it though.

yes, but this is not my default charset
Valiant
Published: 2008/12/16 16:01  Updated: 2008/12/16 16:01
Not too shy to talk
Joined: 11/27/2006
From: West Jordan, Utah, USA
Comments: 377
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
Quote:
Poster: PEB  Posted: 2008/12/15 7:10:37

Change it in Resources/Options (look for "window_screen_width:" and "window_screen_height:").


I want to be able to use my monitor's maximum resolution (1280x1024), but if I set the above to anything other than 640x480 I get a screen lager than what the monitor displays and I have to use the mouse to scroll to the edges.
pvanni
Published: 2008/12/16 18:35  Updated: 2008/12/16 18:35
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Joined: 12/05/2006
From: Lecco, Italy
Comments: 302
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
Quote:

You'll need to set screen_depth as well.

I'd set it to 32, but it seems ignored, I had to
setup a screen in screens preferences to
have a 1280x1024@32 bit screen, on a XE-G4
AOS 4.1 Radeon 9000pro
Chris
Published: 2008/12/16 19:55  Updated: 2008/12/16 19:55
Amigans Defender
Joined: 11/17/2006
From: England
Comments: 3227
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
@all

Make sure there is an empty line at the bottom of the options file if you're adding things to the end.
pvanni
Published: 2008/12/16 20:21  Updated: 2008/12/16 20:21
Not too shy to talk
Joined: 12/05/2006
From: Lecco, Italy
Comments: 302
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
Thanks for the info I'll try it
RacerX
Published: 2008/12/17 2:25  Updated: 2008/12/17 2:25
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Joined: 04/23/2007
From: Parts Unknown, USA
Comments: 179
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
How hard would it be to add scroll wheel support? I -really- miss it when it's gone.

I suppose you know the transparent backgrounds (alpha channel?) still aren't rendered correctly.

Wouldn't it be better to make 'use-workbench' the default? Or at least make the default screen bigger? Is there anyone these days whose monitor can't do at least 1024x768?

Just some thoughts. Thanks for the update!
Chris
Published: 2008/12/17 18:55  Updated: 2008/12/17 18:55
Amigans Defender
Joined: 11/17/2006
From: England
Comments: 3227
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
Wheel support isn't difficult, i just haven't got around to it. I'll probably add it when i fix the keyboard handling.

Alpha channel - waiting perpetually for new SDK.

The default is a safe option (remember there are people on OS4 classic using this too).. maybe I should make wb the default - the install script asks for screen dimensions now . This is all going to get fixed when I sort out a GUI for the option anyway.
redfox
Published: 2008/12/18 3:18  Updated: 2008/12/18 3:20
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Joined: 03/15/2008
From: Alberta, Canada
Comments: 296
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
@Chris,

Very nice. I see many improvements from an earlier version I downloaded.

Download feature is very nice. Most of the sites I visit are fine.

amigans,net I could not post immediately. Had to hit reply button on one of the previous comments.
---
redfox
nexus
Published: 2008/12/18 19:31  Updated: 2008/12/18 19:59
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Joined: 11/12/2008
From: Germany
Comments: 161
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
Hi Chris,

thanks for NetSurf. Works better than the previous verions (rendering & stability)

Still crashes on, e.g. http://www.saarbahn.de or http://www.stern.de (both crashes: perhaps due to some popup windows?).

Oh, and please add for file downloading, the url of a file as a comment like in IBrowse I love this feature because i always forget from where i have downloaded something.

Thanks,
nexus :)
Chris
Published: 2008/12/18 20:17  Updated: 2008/12/18 20:17
Amigans Defender
Joined: 11/17/2006
From: England
Comments: 3227
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
@nexus

Both of those sites work here (the first is a mess though as it uses frames). Were you having problems with any particular pages? Can you get a crashlog?

The URL-in-file-comment thing I added ages ago, shortly after the very first release IIRC. If it isn't working for you I'd be interested to find out why!
nexus
Published: 2008/12/19 0:30  Updated: 2008/12/19 0:30
Just popping in
Joined: 11/12/2008
From: Germany
Comments: 161
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
this is really strange!

netsurf immediately causes a system freeze on these pages. You can see that some browser windows open (therefore my comment about popup windows) and then everything is frozen. Mouse doesn't work anymore, you cannot switch back to workbench with ctrl-n, etc. No GrimReaper, no error message. Just a freeze.

I have a SAM440ep&AOS4.1 here and SFS2 installed.
Netsuf is freshly installed (no update over previous version) and runs on its own screen: 16bit,1440x900.

No file comment here as well (with IBrowse it works).

If I can help you to debug that problem, please let me know how .

nexus
Chris
Published: 2008/12/20 1:26  Updated: 2008/12/20 1:28
Amigans Defender
Joined: 11/17/2006
From: England
Comments: 3227
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
@nexus

Are you definitely 100% positive you are using r5911? (check in Project => About)

If so, try running MemGuard at the same time. I find the odd freeze in websites stops happening when this is running (doesn't really aid in debugging unfortunately, I must be writing to unallocated memory somewhere). The other thing you can try is hooking up a serial terminal to capture debug info.

Also copy the whole caboodle to RAM: and run it from there. Had a few odd crashes when I first tested this on the SAM, which didn't occur when it was run from RAM disk.
Valiant
Published: 2008/12/22 6:00  Updated: 2008/12/22 6:00
Not too shy to talk
Joined: 11/27/2006
From: West Jordan, Utah, USA
Comments: 377
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
@Chris

I never could get NetSurf running satisfactorily by changing the options file so I just reinstalled it over the AmiUpdate install and it then worked correctly.
nexus
Published: 2008/12/22 21:08  Updated: 2008/12/22 21:21
Just popping in
Joined: 11/12/2008
From: Germany
Comments: 161
 Re: NetSurf 2.0 dev preview (r5911)
sorry, for late reply.

yes, it's definitely r5911. About-Window says: SVN 5911 (14.12.2008).

It's a fresh install (not an update over a previous version).

I download MemGuard and will see how it works

Will do some tests from ram: as well very soon.

nexus.

p.S. just another problem. tried to download abiword with netsurf. after a while, i got the error message that there was a problem during writing to file and the download was canceled.
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