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Re: Attempting to upgrade Sam 440 with an R7 240 or HD 7770
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@Hypex

You're making me feel bad, I may have forgotten to mention that Geennaam has suggested for me to consider this as an option as it worked for him :

https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Ex ... I1PEX1/dp/B0037ECAM2?th=1

My apologies if I had indeed forgotten to mention it, but while you were helping me I was technically helping Juzzoe with his laptop issue that day, which we resolved.

No the 500w power supply is ample, I had a 400w in there and that was a completely different story, since the 500w upgrade ( donated from another friend the PSU BTW, (Quadballz), anyhow, it gave more than ample power....

If the PSU would be the issue you wouldn't see anything in U boot to begin with AFAIk.

So, I haven't managed to get around purchasing this, among a sudden Onslaught of other things needed (more pressing) for the house hold.

Thank you for all of your help and everyone else's thus far.

The patience on the Amigans.net forums and discord far outweighs others from my experience when talking about Amiga OS4 and beyond.

It seems other forums are heavily against the idea of modern gen systems purely based on bias of expense alone (understandable in a way) but not understandable to make someone who bought a modern gen and totally make them feel they made a bad decision..

I think it is not so, Amiga OS4.1fe is an amazing operating system and far more use-able than any classic Operating system I've used, even the latest 3.2.2 still seems to be missing so much( that I'm going around the internet finding this and finding that to make things work)

At least In Amiga Os4.1fe its usually just a missing library and that's it, done, quick search and download and things work.

One thing is for sure, I am really also enjoying my classic machine with the classic 520, but again things could have been included, like Amiga Chat GPT, the person could have at least included the needed library ( aren't libraries free usually?)

I can understand why not to include the narrator.device, but most classic Amiga users will probably have the original copy of Amiga 1.3...

Anyhow I digress, back to the video GPU for SAM flex,
It'll work in a months time Im guessing when the next adapter arrives, at least so I am oping so for that cost....

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Re: SAM Flex Stuttering Issue workbench or software use / games
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@Hypex

Lol, How did you know that I might wish to use and utilize things on my Amiga OS rather than just sit there waiting for movement?

Yes indeed will try later your suggestion and see how it works.

Thanks.

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Re: AmigaOne A122 Plus Motherboard Arrived Today
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@ktadd

Hey cool runnings boi! Congrats for you.

I would be keen to hear your thoughts on the A1222 versus your other two systems and what you can and cant run on it versus the other two systems.

Thank you

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Re: Sam460LE 1.10 Ghz Pre-Order!
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@kishigo

So Ive had compositing working nicely since I got the 5450 ages ago, this was never an issue for me, so thank you for letting me know should I obtain a future sam system, I will know to make sure to keep my old 9250 card.

As for mini gl and other support, I think the R7 240 and the 7770 cards will support 3d and more, should I get them working.....

If not I will need to buy a different adapter to fit in the pci, but the RAIL adapter is perfect as both cards show up in uboot now.

Cheers

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Re: SAM Flex Stuttering Issue workbench or software use / games
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@sailor

The stuttering is GONE since the advice of Geennaam as well as my luck infinding out the CPU load issue coming from a timing from the Limpid clock Program...

Initially I changed its priority to -4 and it kind of fixed it but it is best when Limpid clock doesnt even start when system boots....

ALSO OF NOTE :

When I tested my 9250, the dragging was perfect and fast and smooth, which makes no sense as the passmark videobench rates that card at 3, and the 5450 at around 136 or something, meaning the 5450 is supposed to be way better....

But I suppose in AMIGA LAND its the opposite,,,,,

Moving forward to drivers, I am definitely not using the original driver, haven't for a long time...

According to Hans NZ website, driver 2.2 would already be sufficient for the R7 240, alas I have a much higher version so I can not see the driver being the issue.

My friend came over and we will continue later, but for now we have noticed thanks to his Serial Link to his laptop, ( Yes he actually has certain things as he seems to find himself in many pickles with his xe1 or x1000 it seems) anyway, that Amiga OS does recognise it, but I may still for some reason be lacking power.

Which again geennam did mention that I may require yet another adapter to make it all work for Amiga Os to load into the OS, as despite seeing UBOOT, and the kickstart etc to its loading sequence, this is where it then stops with a black screen.

It seems Highly Likely that my current two adapters, the new RAIL Adapter is perfect, giving both cards more than ample power, R7 240 and the 7770 by gigabyte, but the Amiga OS fails potentially one cause is indeed as forementioned the translation between Amiga os and the adapter versus the cards in question.

Geenaam to be fair has been a great help and has been very kind even through my frustrations on Discord.

Magic and a few other nice people like early on Trixie also mentioned some things, skatman, all very kind Amigans like yourself, have helped and it's been a pleasure (and some pain, lol) during this process of elimination.

So, in the end I may need yet another adapter to change my current adapter that goes into the pci slot itself, but the RAIL adapter is more than ample according to geenaam who states he has done tests himself and not many were successful with the adapter I am using...... I think it was a :

PEX 8111, my one says made in japan, but either way, probably no real difference other than where it was made.

SO

In conclusion, the dragging of windows will automatically fix itself, as if a 9250 fixes that and more, I cant imagine a r7 240 or a 7770 not fixing it with amplitude...

9250 bench score 3
5450 bench score 136? but due to limited support in Amiga not a better card on the amiga
R7 240 by memory in the 900s, perhaps 906 in bench score
7770 had the nicest of my cards at 2000s something bench score

for exact figures, give me a moment :
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/com ... -R7-240-vs-Radeon-HD-7770

Wowsers, Morph Os browser pretty awesome... Anyhow.

THank you for the help, and all the links, had a look and some interesting data.

My friend still wishes to try later and see if we can get it working, but if not, atleast I have a road map ahead of me somewhat laid out thanks to geenaam and a link.

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Re: SAM Flex Stuttering Issue workbench or software use / games
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@pjs

Here is something interesting, so, after a uboot update to the latest uboot for the system
Limpid clock was running even morer amapnt despite having been resolved with its priority,

I double checked sure enough priority didnt change, but cpu at 60% or more, sigh

All this because of a 240 or a 7770 attempt of an upgrade

Im back to using 5450, as even the 9250 wasnt crash hot with my 4k monitor, but the 5450 is fine and atleast boots into operating system.

ON THIS NOTE :

Has anyone made a list of issues between their cards?

5450, screen dragging ULTRA SHIT but composition nice, over all feel nice when using software, but mini GL not supported

9250 screen dragging perfect not slow, easy going, INTERESTING...

the 9250 scores a benchmark of 3 on passmark videobench, but the 5450 scores around 230, yet the 9250 in AMIGA world better??? WTF is going on here? LOL

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Re: Sam460LE 1.10 Ghz Pre-Order!
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@sailor

A couple of nice links indeed.

Now that I can read white backgrounds again instead of film grain pink...

5450 definitely has that advantage I suppose.

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Re: Sam460LE 1.10 Ghz Pre-Order!
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@kishigo

Mini gl wont work for me when using 5450, is this actually so or has there been a fix since?

Atm Ive gone back to trying out my 9250, but my current 4k monitor doesnt like it and to say most people wouldnt use their amigas under these conditions is an understatement.

So why am I, I just miss some mini gl stuff, so might have to live with sometimes chucking in the 9250....

The 9250 however with a 1080 monitor, an older one that I have does work nicely, however my 12 core uses the 4k, so I was hoping to use the same monitor to simply monitor switch between systems at some point in future.

Cheers for the information

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Re: Sam460LE 1.10 Ghz Pre-Order!
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@sailor

Forgive me if I am a little confused but, what about the Creative Audigy FX SB1570, would this card be ok? (Acube systems site doesn't have any in stock though)

Also, any chance there happens to be a list of sound cards that are supported by Amiga os4.1fe naturally?

Or were any sound drivers that were ever made after market by the Amiga community?

I feel like I am running so far behind with information right now, due to not having been part of the on-line scene for some time since during Covid and some time after it was.....well....I am here now so.

Also just noticed, the 460le version doesnt come with sound onboard... Has three slots, I presume none of those slots are suitable for a nice GPU and one needs to get an adapter kit for it?

I also presume the reason sound blaster may have been an ideal option is due to the small slot at the bottom of the board, which leaves me wanting to ask.....

The white coloured slot, is that good enough for a wifi adapter or even an even older sound card? I mean it isnt too critical, as going that route if I do decide to go ahead with it, would mean in my case another Vonets unit, powered by the boards 7 usb ports, one is used there, another two from mouse and keyboard, leaving heaps of spares anyway.

Cheers and sorry to bother you again, but I feel comfortable asking you questions.

EDIT
Thank you BTW for your extreme patience

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Re: SAM Flex Stuttering Issue workbench or software use / games
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@ All

I am still unable to work out how to get my window dragging to speed.

Does everyone have the window dragging issue, or are there some that have smooth dragging?

A friend was telling me it could be to do with my current GPU that is installed in the system, which is a 5450, and that perhaps once the new adapter kit arrives and I get the chance to install R7 240 or the 7770 that this issue might take care of itself....

So who here has smooth window dragging and what GPU are you using?

Thanks again.

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Re: SAM Flex Stuttering Issue workbench or software use / games
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@K-L

I curious question and no real relation to the sam 440 gpu / stuttering issue I had.

Has anyone on here decided to push their sam 440 CPUs to go higher than 800mhz to be similar to the 460 (which actually uses a 440 cpu) performance wise?

On discord it seems no one has really been ballsy enough in case they ruin their expensive Amiga toy.

Cheers

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Re: SAM Flex Stuttering Issue workbench or software use / games
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@nbache

Yeah righto, again, I will find out I suppose, either way, I did notice that once I changed priority there was an improvement, but it is still best when in iconify mode or simply quit out of it.

I usually do iconify as the whole point was to have ability to look at the clock

The two others I found on the intranet one of them think was called flipclock, but unfortunately the whether thing didnt want to work for me

And forget the other one, but I believe it was only for the docky.

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Re: SAM Flex Stuttering Issue workbench or software use / games
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@pjs

Thank you, I'll take a look at it, and see if its better...

At the moment everytime workbench had started I simply was iconifying the current limpid clock when not in use, which kind of voids the point

Cheers

EDIT

Just checked the one I have is 1.17, so 1.18 may be better, despite being in beta. Time will tell

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Re: SAM Flex Stuttering Issue workbench or software use / games
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@K-L

I tried the gles, also didnt work, I suspect it is 100% the 5450, as I do recall originally the system had a 9250, and it ran EVERYTHING that was coming out at the time.

this 5450 wont even run some of the older things that I remember working clear as day....

But I am ok with it, I'm older now and my 12 core does many things.....

It just would be nice to have some of the older software and games working again, so I am really looking forward to making this a reality by useage of the r7 240 or the 7770 gpu...

WORSE CASE scenario I backtrack back to the 9250 on this particular system just to test some things.

Thank you for the information, I will refer back to this thread with what I have read from you and sailor and others as future reference to video.

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Re: SAM Flex Stuttering Issue workbench or software use / games
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@sailor

May have been a mis type from you, 460 flex? So you meant 440 flex novebridge also works with it I presume, which is nice to know.

Meanwhile, mini gl should also work again for me once I have the r7 240 or 7770 card being utilised with the system, (Smoking Guns here we come)

As for nova bridge, how much uses nove bridge versus the old Mini gl?

Most of the things I have tend to be asking me for mini gl, or unable to open no mini gl support, stuff like that.

AWESOME FACT :

I did a saturday night silly, managed to get with ease 4 music videos playing at once using Mick JT MPlayer
I could have probably even gone a 5th one, but meh, I was proud enough for the 800mhz single core Amiga

Emotion (demo version) only managed 3 videos, same codec each video btw

DVPlayer only got me 2

So then I wonder, why more people arent doing these silly testing on the newer Amigas and chucking up youtube videos and or showing what may be plausible?

I Mean I for one wouldnt mind seeing comparison videos between the modern gen systems, inclusive of work arounds for the lesser systems, such as Mplayer for the 800mhz while the 1.8ghz x1000 uses emotion to show off?

Stuff like this could be interesting.

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Re: SAM Flex Stuttering Issue workbench or software use / games
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@geennaam

Very nice link

it states :
Oland chipsets require the newer RadeonHD drivers (v1.20, v2.21 or v3.6) exclusively available from the Enhancer Software Standard Edition, Plus Edition or Enhancer Software Graphics Driver Upgrade respectively.

So :
When I read this I feel pretty confident that the current driver I have will work with the R7 240 as well as the 7770 that are now sitting idle over here.

Mini GL should be supported as well perhaps with both.

Meanwhile warp 3d wise, in my libs drawer I see it in its own warp3d drawer, I even have a few at W3D_Radeon.Library is one, and then there are some others with different names in there, but also with W3D infront of them, I presume this is ok?

Also have a couple outside drawer? Warp3d and Warp3dppc libraries.

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Re: SAM Flex Stuttering Issue workbench or software use / games
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@sailor

Yeah so in the end that does not mean something less than 460 isnt supported, maybe they got lazy and just assumed people would be aware due to the close architecutre of the CPUs and hardware that it will work with 440, 460, 480 or even a 420... LOL, have no idea what other PPC AMC models are out there in the world that arent amiga platform related but yep....

If you could test if it works on your sam440, that would indeed be a grand gesture.

Cheers

P.S. Thank you for the answer on the GPUs, I thought forums were also there to try and allow people to save time because other people have the knowledge??

I mean it took you a few minutes to write, it might take someone a few hours to read an article if its a big one... I should click on the link when Im not on my amiga next due to being unaware if it Amiga browser safe lol.

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Re: SAM Flex Stuttering Issue workbench or software use / games
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@sailor

Ok well, to be fair then, in that case I am very surprised the 5450 works so well with my sam440 flex with just an adapter that isnt powered.

Would also explain why the r7 240 may have been struggling to keep a constant fan speed and why there was no display on screen

By golly gosh I can type fast right now on the sam without slow down since our little minor tune up. :D

I feel like creating a threat as well as chatting on discord has paid Dividence for my sam flex to become very very useable....

Im listing to music video now though with no dramas since our little fix while typing fast here??? Not sure how its doing it then if theres no decoder?
Or is Mpeg a different ball game?

Either way quiet happy.

OK so lets TALK SHOP :

You're effectively saying the Radeon HD driver version I have will work fine with the R7 240 GPU, but judging by my experience and your analysis in your comment section its a simple case of the R7 240 most likely not getting enough power?

ALSO

That doesnt explain the 9250 issue, as in that case that should have displayed perfectly fine even with a hdmi to dvi converter on the GPU end, while HDMI plugged into my monitor?

AND

AFAIK 9250 did support mini gl and 3d support? I vaguely remember being surprised how many things were running back in the day on this system on its old HDD (before the fail, lost a lot of unique and odd programs)

Either way while writing this via the sam flex, I am impressed this entire reply only has taken me 5 minutes or less to write...

Before the fix this would have felt like a CHORE literally, atleast double time or so.....

:D Im REALLY happy guys atm with the performance having come back...

As for 3d part, a lot of games like shogo still work though despite not having mini gl or 3d support via the 5450???

Cheers and that's a lot of useful info.... Damn 6 minutes in now haha

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Re: SAM Flex Stuttering Issue workbench or software use / games
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@sailor

I see your confusion, I dont own a sam460

I have here a sam flex 440 here which yes is at 133 but also at 80 for pci I believe.

Meanwhile what GPU cards should work with the Radeon HD driver v3.6?

I thought 9250, 7770, 5450 obviously does and the r7 240 should all be working with the system?

I just tried new card to no avail and am assuming both the 7770 which Ive had for ages and the r7 240 simply need more power than what current adapter gives.

But with no adapter needed my 9250 should have still worked, but after testing nothing was showing up.

Mind you my new monitor needs to go from hdmi, to hdmi / dvi adapter.....wondering if this causes issues in Amiga land for GPUs in regards to showing a display?

Cheers

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Re: SAM Flex Stuttering Issue workbench or software use / games
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@Hypex

Well for fun just tried video perfomance again in compositing, and my system is better in regards to the cpu doesnt jump to 100% but 90% or so when vivdly moving things around.

Perhaps all along my main issues were :

1 - kickstart

in regards to the Radeon HD Chip debug, which should have read Radeon HD Chip

2 - LIMPID CLOCK program

By changing the priority helps, but iconify or closing completely absolutely helps

P.S. I tried my new R7 240 GPU, didnt quiet work, so then I tried my 9250, also didnt work??? WTF

So for now Im back to the 5450 as I sit here in confusion to why the 9250 doesnt wish to work.

Might test the 9250 again another day, but for today Ive waste enough time and have bought a different adapter that will be powered, to help get more power to the GPU

SINCE I will have that adapter, I may even end up using the 7770, but again, does this card also not support 3d or mini gl?

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