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Re: Just installed on Ubuntu

Posted on: 2008/8/20 1:00 #921

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Well I did some more testing and I have to take some of my words back. Running Starstruck (TBL) demo they are all equally fast EUAE-wip4, EUAE-080815 and WinUAE 1.5.1 and this demo is watchable. So it's not a speed issue. Now I suspect that certain speed issues are related to file IO operations. I'm using a directory on the host system as Amiga partition on both systems/emulators. So it looks like they improved that part in WinUAE 1.5.0+.

It's especially the start menu in AmiKit which is very slow. And f.ex. opening drawers is slow too. (EUAE and WinUAE versions before 1.5.0. On WinUAE 1.5.0 and 1.5.1 AmiKit is much more faster and more usable.) I tried to edit one config file of AmiKit to get rid of icons in the start menu. Now the taskbar is huge vertically and I can't get it back to original size trying to put back everything I changed (I think) in that config file I edited.

Unfortunately the latest Gparted for Ubuntu doesn't support creating AFFS or SFS partitions so I could test if AmiKit would work faster using native partitions. I tried to install the latest Gparted (0.3.8) but I couldn't make it to work. (And I don't know if it yet supports AFFS and SFS anyway.)

(My system is: 1500 MHz AMD Athlon, single core, 32 bit, Nvidia FX5600 ultra)

One offtopic note: Testing old Aegis Sonix 2.0 on all versions of UAE. WinUAE have had always the worst playback losing many notes and it played never good (testing with different possible emulator settings) (I don't know if it works better with much faster CPU's). EUAE on Linux (x86) is a little bit better but it's still far away from perfect playback. But strangely the same EUAE on AmigaOne and AOS4 it plays almost 100% perfectly but not fully but very close. So is it because PPC CPU's have good timers or is it because Amiga kernel is faster or pure luck or something else ?

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Re: OWB 2.3

Posted on: 2008/8/20 0:38 #922

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OWB is getting slowly better and better.

Big thanks !

It looks like this version is using hard drive a lot but using less RAM. Certain type of links doesn't work (links which are printed in/from javascript).

Otherwise it's working nicely !

Edited by TSK on 2008/8/20 3:41:55

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Re: Just installed on Ubuntu

Posted on: 2008/8/5 23:42 #923

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@orgin

I can remember wrong that PPC JIT thing (and it looks like so).

I found this from UAE readme:
"JIT direct memory access only works on Linux/x86 and, by default,
you may only emulate up to 32MB of direct ZIII RAM; select more than
that and the JIT will fall back on indirect memory access and hence
will be slower. This is due to a system limit on the size of a POSIX
shared memory segment. You can overcome this limit my modifying the
value of the procfs setting, /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax."

Just checked and I have set 128MB of Z3 mem so it's worth to try with 32MB only.

Edit:
I changed Z3 RAM from 128 to 32MB and all JIT options from "Indirect" to "Direct" and it's still slow. I hope someone EUAE and JIT expert could give us some hints and suggest some proper settings. (I don't understand anything of these JIT direct and indirect stuff.) I have now:

Byte access
- Direct
Word access
- Direct
Long access
- Direct
Address lookup
- Direct
Flags
- Always generate
Icache flushes
- Hard
Compile through...
- Enable
JIT FPU
- Enable
-16384 (max) buffer

(Edit again: I'll take some of my words back !)

I tried to get rid of icons in start menu of AmiKit but couldn't find any related settings. Then I tried to edit sm.prefs file in Utilities/EXTENSION (or was it EXPANSION) and now the taskbar is huge vertically. I don't know how to get it back to normal.

And menus are always problem in AmiKit. It's almost impossible to select anything before the whole menu has disappeared. (At least on slow systems.)

Edited by TSK on 2008/8/5 23:58:57
Edited by TSK on 2008/8/5 23:59:36
Edited by TSK on 2008/8/6 0:45:37

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Re: Just installed on Ubuntu

Posted on: 2008/8/5 23:21 #924

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@orgin

I have same settings as you. EUAE (on Linux or anything else) is much slower than the latest WinUAE. WinUAE author should really help EUAE people to port all the latest stuff into EUAE. Because of speed AmiKit, f.ex., is unusable on EUAE when it's usable on the latest WinUAE on the exactly same hardware. (The previous WinUAE was slower.) (I have Ubuntu 8.04 and tested WinUAE on XP. My x86 machine is 32bit.) AmiKit on Linux EUAE is incredibly slow (like slide show). (WinUAE website is not accessible at the moment but I think they made a lot of optimizations to the latest version to make it faster, if I can remember.)

Well I thought the latest WIP4 EUAE had JIT even on PPC and A1 !?!

(Edit: I read this same topic on AmiKit forum just after posting this message here. Nothing new there.)

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Re: CodeBench alpha

Posted on: 2008/8/5 3:39 #925

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@Rigo

Nice tool ! Does it have a GUI designer/editor tool ?

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Re: OWB 2.2

Posted on: 2008/7/30 10:02 #926

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@joerg

Great ! Big thanks !

@xeron
Quote:

readelf -d owb tells me which ones it needs

Thanks !

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Re: Project List

Posted on: 2008/7/15 23:48 #927

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@orgin

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Project name: Assign manager

Isn't AssignPrefs good enough for you ? It's written by Thomas Frieden and ported to OS4 by Joachim Birging. I think they can easily make it part of the OS.

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Input : Handling of multimedia keys

I thought that was a part of the OS already. Or was it 4.1 ?

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Re: Report

Posted on: 2008/7/13 23:08 #928

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@Chris

Thanks for the report.

Quote:

Scrollwheel support has been improved and the mouse wheel is now supported directly by Reaction gadgets.

That's very good !

Quote:

JXFS which the SLB unfortunately can't boot

I hope this will change.

Quote:

The new listviews (list by name etc mode) in WB

I was hoping there was a "comment" column in listview mode in WB drawers also (like it exists in ASL requesters).

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Re: Workbench enhancement project

Posted on: 2008/7/12 19:21 #929

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Quote:

Are there any news of that rumoured new filesystem for OS4 ? Or was it completely false rumour ?

Quote:

I feel a little bit embarrassed. We don't need a new FS because SFS has everything. It's fast, journaling and multiuser. How big task it would be to add multiuser into the OS ? (I'm curious only.) Not too big or very big ?

And now we have a new JXFS in OS4.1.

Quote:

The file systems must not be involved, they have to do way too much already which should be in dos.library instead of having to duplicate it in each file system, for example notifications had to supported by the file systems themself. At least half of the code of most AmigaOS file systems has nothing to do with the file system but are just support functions which are the same in all file systems and should be in dos.library instead.

Now there's universal notification in OS4.1. So this (notification) part is handled already.

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Re: 4.1 is OUT

Posted on: 2008/7/12 19:05 #930

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@Hans

Quote:

I can take a guess at the J:
- Journal
- Journalling
- Joerg

And X is:
- eXtended
- eXclusive
- eXpanded
- eXtreme
- X like 10 in scale of 1-10, top product
- Joint aXxess (like "access")

(whatever this means)

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Re: Open Amiga project website

Posted on: 2008/7/12 16:48 #931

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@orgin

Maybe this is a little bit early before we have OS4.1 and a new SDK in our hands.

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Re: 4.1 is OUT

Posted on: 2008/7/12 16:46 #932

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What kind of features this JXFS has ? And where comes those letters JX ?

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Re: 4.1 is OUT

Posted on: 2008/7/12 1:52 #933

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@tfrieden

Quote:

Quote: Is texture size limit removed now ?

What texture size limit ?

The size must be powers of 2. It's in the autodocs: "The width of the texture in pixels. Must be 2^n". Or is this gfx card related limit ?

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Re: 4.1 is OUT

Posted on: 2008/7/12 1:07 #934

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I was wondering do they need more betatesters !

I have few questions to the dev team:
Quote:

Reworked Warp3D Radeon drivers with new functionality

Is texture size limit removed now ?

Quote:

Improved Workbench functionality

Is Workbench now multiscreen capable or do it have virtual desktops ? (So I can stop developing YetAnotherDesk any further unnecessarily.)

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Re: Jokes! and More Jokes! :-) (Adult Humour)

Posted on: 2008/7/9 2:18 #935

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@Mikey_C

Quote:

The Shortest Books Ever Written

* Italian War Heroes

We Finns know that as Swedish war heroes.

* Hair care for bald people

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Re: Suggest a project name here

Posted on: 2008/7/9 1:51 #936

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@orgin

Quote:

Open Amiga

It's not bad.

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Re: General concerns

Posted on: 2008/7/9 1:50 #937

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@orgin

Quote:

- Licensing
- Some people don't like the Open Source idea

If a license is good enough then there's not problem. And because Hyperion will make decision what they want to use from that project, so it's controlled by them, that's just fine.

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Re: Licence

Posted on: 2008/7/9 1:37 #938

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@Elwood

Quote:

Only AmigaOS 4.x can use the software developed by the organisation

No.

Quote:

3. We might want some flexibility there too, what happens if Hyperion one day makes OS5? What if some other company buys Hyperion? Do we want to relicense everything if that happens or do we want it flexible enough so that the organization can grant usage to parties of their choice?

Yes.

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Re: Workbench enhancement project

Posted on: 2008/7/6 20:42 #939

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@ShInKurO
Quote:

It's not MUI fault if some programmers have a bad behaviour

Yes, it's not directly MUI's fault. But it's common practice around MUI.

@orgin
Quote:

Archive

"Archive" was wrong word.

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Edited by TSK on 2008/7/6 21:25:43
Edited by TSK on 2008/7/6 21:29:18
Edited by TSK on 2008/7/6 21:30:22

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Re: Workbench enhancement project

Posted on: 2008/7/6 17:04 #940

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What I hate in MUI is all classes are spread around the internet. Some of them are on people personal websites, some in sourceforge, some of OS4 ports might be on os4depot and they're everywhere. I've never understood why MUI classes can't be all in aminet. Epistula is good (bad) example. The author ported 68k version quickly and users have to install and mix some parts of both versions manually. If people love depency hell and that s**t I wish you a happy trip to the Linux community. I don't want that c**p to Amiga. I as a developer if I want to use Intuition v52 then I'm sure all people who have Intuition v52 installed they must have certain versions of Reaction/Boopsi classes too. So I know always what I can expect users to have and users don't need to do any extra work.

If we are going to do any open source work as community there must be one solid leader for this project. The leader will decide *alone* which code is going to the archive and what is not.

Amiga must stay unique and better than other OSes in those areas where it can be better. If we copy/imitate Linux and Winblows too much then there is no reason to keep using AmigaOS any longer. Of course ports of open source software is important because this community is already too small to do everything itself.

@Rogue
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I don't understand for example why buttons must resize the same way as e.g. a listview does. When I resize a window with a listview in it, I first and foremost would expect to get a bigger listview, but most of the time,you get proportionally larger buttons as well, which does not make sense IMO

You are an OS4 developer yourself. Go and change default values of CHILD_WeightedWidth/Height. Make it Button objects will get always CHILD_WeightedHeight,0 by default and ListBrowser objects will always get CHILD_WeightedHeight,100 and CHILD_WeightedWidth,100.

Quote:

this macro-chain-orgies of generating an UI

It's possible to get use to it in time.

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