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Maijestro

Re: MilkyTracker 1.03

Posted on: 2023/4/29 13:48 #821

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@CapehillQuote:

Capehill wrote:If you are using "overscan" as logical size mode, then it could have problems. In such a scenario please switch to default/letterbox mode.

EDIT: rebuilt MilkyTracker with the latest SDL2 library: http://capehill.kapsi.fi/mt/MilkyTracker-SDL2.lha

Overscan (with compositing driver) should work now, too.

Tested under AmigaOs4.1 Qemu Pegasos 2. SDL Prefs are on default settings. With software and compositing it was tested also here black screen. The sdl1.x version of MilkyTracker works.

Image: https://ibb.co/k0ycVtn
Image: https://ibb.co/L5CnCCg

Ok sorry I reported this error on Os4depot it works perfectly with Warzp3D under AmigaOs4.1 Pegasos 2 Qemu. I measured to set the settings to Opengl in prefs SDL2.But software rendering and compositing do not work, which it should. Compositing is supported by the sm501 driver under AmigaOs4.1/Qemu Pegasos 2.

It is the same problem as with ScummVM there you also get only a black window. Your new version looks a bit more distorted than the os4depot version with older SDL2. Please compare the pictures.

Old Build SDL2 (os4depot) Img : https://ibb.co/qDhSf3d
New Build SDL2 Img: https://ibb.co/SBx7q9D

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Maijestro

Re: Was ist heute die schnellste x64-Emulationsart von OS4?

Posted on: 2023/4/28 18:56 #822

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@afx-Gruppe

Can they please post their command line ?

I can't help much on Linux as I have everything set up under MacOs.

But maybe @white can help he has it set up under Linux. Perhaps you have also made a mistake in preparing the installation medium.

I recommend that you try both installation instructions if your AmigaOs4.1 Pegasos 2 should be final and up to date with what is currently available. ZBalaton`s guide refers to older versions of Pegasos 2 AmigaOs4.1 versions and shows alternative ways.

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Maijestro

Re: Was ist heute die schnellste x64-Emulationsart von OS4?

Posted on: 2023/4/28 18:17 #823

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@afxgroup

A little more information would be helpful.

- What system do you use

- which Qemu version

- what does your command line look like

There are 2 instructions for the installation which one did you use ?

http://zero.eik.bme.hu/~balaton/qemu/amiga/aos_pegasos2.html

https://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2023-04-00086-EN.html

One was created by ZBalaton, the other one is from me.

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Maijestro

Re: Was ist heute die schnellste x64-Emulationsart von OS4?

Posted on: 2023/4/27 23:12 #824

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@white

Thanks for the tip, I just tested it Odyssey 1.23 Beta 2 works very well under AmigaOs4.1 apparently newer versions broke it, or it's the emulation.

No more error message when using YouTube and also all other sites I use work very well. Playing videos with Odyssey's internal player was quite ok, but still I prefer YT with Mplayer it's a bit faster and doesn't require as much CPU power.

I'm also not sure if Odyssey's internal player uses 3d acceleration for playing YouTube videos. But anyway, this version works very well here.

YouTube: https://youtu.be/NxfBgGkL7m4

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Maijestro

Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?

Posted on: 2023/4/26 22:07 #825

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@white

Here again a comparison, Qemu nor AmigaOs4.1 are optimized and still very fast.

I would still test their beta version of Odyssey, I have problem with YouTube from time to time, it crashes frequently.

YouTube :https://youtu.be/RMBLSt6Ce2s

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Maijestro

Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?

Posted on: 2023/4/25 22:05 #826

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@white

To be sure that it is not the RTL8139 driver under AmigaOs4.1 we would have to reproduce it with another machine e.g.

PPC LINUX or MorphOs, if there are no problems there we have the proof that the driver does not work properly under AmigaOs4.1.

If there are also problems there we could report it to the Qemu team.

-ne2k_pci as device has also support for the RTL8029 under AmigaOs4.1, it is also recognized, but I get no internet connection with this driver.

You can also get a list which drivers Qemu provides or supports.

qemu --device help

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Maijestro

Re: ScummVM and AmigaOS4.1 F.E.

Posted on: 2023/4/20 18:26 #827

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@Raziel

I would also compile the code myself under AmigaOs4.1, but for that I would need exact instructions. And then I could test it...

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Maijestro

Re: ScummVM and AmigaOS4.1 F.E.

Posted on: 2023/4/20 18:22 #828

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@white

However, you must not forget that we use a completely different emulation with the Pegasos 2 and you cannot compare that with WinUae as well.

90% of the things under the Pegasos 2 emulation are comparable to real hardware and work the same way.

The problem is that software rendering was not compiled properly and only the graphics card part 16/32 with opengl (3d acceleration) was tested.

Or please prove me wrong .

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Maijestro

Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?

Posted on: 2023/4/19 17:11 #829

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@white

The solution is simple, please write directly to Balaton Zoltan, he is smart and a very nice person and can answer many of your questions.

I only test the Qemu Pegasos 2 emulation directly and if I find any errors I report it to him. Most of the time he then tells me what to do, but he doesn't have a solution for everything either.

Do you have an idea where I can upload YT?

Edited by Maijestro on 2023/4/19 18:21:12

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Maijestro

Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?

Posted on: 2023/4/19 15:36 #830

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@whiteQuote:

white wrote:@Maijestro

Now even YT.rexx doesn't work anymore.
While AmiTube works fine with the "MickJTPlayer" composite

I also have problems with YT.REXX it was switched to YouTube something that it no longer works. On all my backups HDs where it worked otherwise, it no longer works without error message. But videos are still played.

YT.Rexx: https://ibb.co/BB6DFwx

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would be kind enough to send me your YT folder because I saw that it works for you and I would like to see if your YT works for me
Thank you.

I will send you a link later.

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with the latest filesystem for amigaos 4.1 (not 68k) ))

You should definitely use SFS PPC it will increase your reading and writing speed even more.

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Here a test with E-UAE with the final full screen configuration with demos written for the 060 etc.

You have set up E-UAE great, what version are you using? And do I need to consider any other things ?

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Maijestro

Re: ScummVM and AmigaOS4.1 F.E.

Posted on: 2023/4/19 15:17 #831

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@Raziel

Quote:

Raziel wrote:@Maijestro

Could you run ScummVM with -d9 switch and post the log somewhere (will grow big), just to make sure we're not missing something obvious (or 3D is still picked up somewhere)

Can you please explain to me how exactly I have to proceed ? Do I have to start the "-d9 switch" from the ScummVM Gui or via the shell.

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Maijestro

Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?

Posted on: 2023/4/18 18:14 #832

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I'll summarize it again briefly....

Problems we still have at the moment under Qemu Pegasos 2:

- Using -cpu 7447 with Altivec support there is no correct GUI/window output for some SDL applications, use -cpu g3 instead.

-After update FE 2 it is possible that your network connection becomes unstable, if this is the case please copy the older rtl8139.device from the Pegasos install.iso to system/devs/Networks on your installation HD

-Nvram is not yet emulated, so the firmware's environment variables are not preserved, so the boot command has to be entered at every startup

-Currently the maximum resolution is limited to 1440x900 16 bit under the Qemu Pegasos2 emulation

-AmigaOs4.1 cannot be terminated under Qemu via the "Shutdown" menu (there is already a patch for this, but it probably won't make it into Qemu 8 Final)

How can I help:

It can be helped to solve the -cpu 7447 problem by reproducing the whole thing with Qemu 8 and MorphOs. This means that you have to install MorphOs under Qemu and test different SDL applications that also access AltiVec directly. This would confirm that both systems have the same problems and it is not AmigaOs4.1 specific.

If someone wants to help, you can get the installation for Morphos under Qemu from here:

http://zero.eik.bme.hu/~balaton/qemu/amiga/

Let's create together the best Amiga NG emulation

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Maijestro

Re: ScummVM and AmigaOS4.1 F.E.

Posted on: 2023/4/17 18:59 #833

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@CapehillQuote:

Capehill wrote:@Maijestro

If problem is now that ScummVM is using the compositing driver for SDL_Renderer, then please open SDL2 prefs and select "software" as driver, or just set the variable on shell:

setenv SDL_RENDER_DRIVER "software"

Thanks for the help

I have set the SDL prefs to software and saved, but that just gives me a gray window output when I start ScummVm.

ScummVM SDL Software

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Maijestro

Re: ScummVM and AmigaOS4.1 F.E.

Posted on: 2023/4/17 16:36 #834

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@RazielQuote:

Raziel wrote:@all

How would i go about testing this on an OpenGL enabled platform target?

Would it be sufficient to rename minigl and ogles2 libraries or are there other parts needed to be taken care of?

And could someone maybe try? (still a few days to go before i get home)

Thank you

If no one is willing to help, I would be happy to investigate the problem with you.

There are ways to use ScummVM, this patch is called PatchCompositeTags, but makes the whole thing very unstable and is not system compliant.

I think there is a better way without this patch if we look at the problem. So it can't be the 16 bit screenmode. I am not sure what this patch does exactly.

ScummVM Patched

Edited by Maijestro on 2023/4/17 18:45:35

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Maijestro

Re: ScummVM and AmigaOS4.1 F.E.

Posted on: 2023/4/16 11:59 #835

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@CapehillQuote:

Capehill wrote:@Maijestro

If you modify the ini file directly, try to set gfx_mode to "surfacesdl". Probably same what Raziel suggested.

Unfortunately no luck with GFX_Mode = Surfacesdl

[scummvm].ini
gui_browser_native=true
filtering=false
autosave_period=300
gfx_mode=surfacesdl
mute=false
gui_use_game_language=false
speech_volume=192
native_mt32=false
gui_mode=antialias
midi_gain=100
last_window_width=640
last_window_height=480
talkspeed=60
confirm_exit=false
mt32_device=null
extrapath=extras/
audio_buffer_size=2048
enable_gs=false
gui_scale=125
gui_return_to_launcher_at_exit=false
subtitles=false
multi_midi=false
fullscreen=false
gui_browser_show_hidden=false
render_mode=amiga
browser_lastpath=extras/
gm_device=null
themepath=themes/
sfx_volume=192
music_volume=192
speech_mute=false
music_driver=auto
stretch_mode=stretch
opl_driver=auto
aspect_ratio=true
versioninfo=2.7.0
gui_theme=scummclassic
local_server_port=12345
renderer=software

I use these settings in the .ini file

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Maijestro

Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?

Posted on: 2023/4/16 8:54 #836

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@whiteQuote:

white wrote:@Maijestro

Now I spent some time configuring the whole system.
Clearly currently the emulation is forced.
Until some bugs like SDL are fixed

Yes the CPU is currently forced but will be fixed in Qemu 8.1. Therefore it is important that bugs are investigated so that the problem can be solved.

It's good that you do many things to test and partly do crazy things with the emulation.

I look forward to sharing experiences in the future, I also learned a lot from you when I started experimenting with WinUae.

If you find bugs in the emulation, you can also use the bug tracker. There are already some entries from other people and you can also see which bugs have already been reported. Currently we are investigating the problems with SDL (Altivec) with CPU 7447.

https://osdn.net/projects/qmiga/ticket

One more small hint, you can also use the line -cpu g3 this CPU works perfectly with SDL and also Ranger shows this CPU correctly.

Also the g3 CPU is much faster in Qemu emulation than the default settings and SFS is also supported.

I already tested it with Quake Timedemo1

1280x720

-cpu 7447 24 FPS Software Rendering
-cpu g3 16.4 FPS Software Rendering

We now have 2 CPU's we can use for compute intensive applications and Altivec support CPU 7447 and for the best possible compatibility CPU g3

Please test it.

As soon as there is news I will contact you again

Edited by Maijestro on 2023/4/16 15:51:58

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Maijestro

Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?

Posted on: 2023/4/16 8:26 #837

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@orgin

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orgin wrote:@Maijestro

I could create a specific channel on the discord if you want?

Thank you for your help. Discord is certainly good, but I'm not sure if people want to use it as a central point for the Qemu Pegasos 2 project.

There is also a forum directly on the project page
https://osdn.net/projects/qmiga/forums/
But it seems to work very limited at the moment, I'm not sure if it can be expanded. BALATON Zoltan told me that we could use it, I would then agree to moderate it.

But maybe someone else has a better idea?

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Maijestro

Re: ScummVM and AmigaOS4.1 F.E.

Posted on: 2023/4/15 20:45 #838

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@RazielQuote:

Raziel wrote:@Maijestro

Im not on my gear, once I get back I'll check if there'd be any more options.

In the meantime you could post on the scummvm forum, maybe one of the devs has an idea or maybe this is even a bug that won't revert to all software rendering if no OpenGL is found?

I think it's a general problem of ScummVM on AmigaOs4.1 it just hasn't been reported yet. I would like to get it fixed so I can use ScummVM too.

Otherwise I have no problems with applications that can use software rendering directly, so I don't think it's my system.

Who compiles the current versions for AmigaOs4.1?

I could test or debug it with help.

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Maijestro

Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?

Posted on: 2023/4/15 20:12 #839

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@whiteQuote:

white wrote:@Maijestro

If I use for example "Emotion" everything works.
If I put "Emotion" in full screen everything works
But if I then switch from full screen of "Emotion" back to its window.
The Workbench appears disproportionate and is no longer scaled eg 1280x720.
Does this also happen with other applications does it happen to you too?

Is this due to SM502 or do I have to compile something for SDL,ON ?

for MAC the " -display cocoa " option what is it for ?

Do you know how to "boot" automatically without writing the command line every time to initialize the "boot" ?

I have configured Amicygnix to export the DISPLAY
to be able to do this I need the amiga's ip not to be that of the "virtual router" .
With WinUAE I use NpCAP to directly use VMWare drivers how can I configure AmigaOS "RTL 8029" to get the same thing ?
for example with "Libpcap" is it then to have an external IP for AmigOS ?

With Qemu ?

Thank you

>If I use for example "Emotion" everything works.
If I put "Emotion" in full screen everything works
But if I then switch from full screen of "Emotion" back to its window.
The Workbench appears disproportionate and is no longer scaled eg 1280x720.
Does this also happen with other applications does it happen to you too?

I have to test this myself before I can answer this question.

>Is this due to SM502 or do I have to compile something for SDL,ON ?

There are currently problems under AmigaOs4.1 with SDL and the use of -cpu 7447 it affects most SDL applications. Everything else seems to work fine. The problem is known and is already being investigated. You could try to use another CPU for Qemu, but then the emulation will be a bit slower again.

>for MAC the " -display cocoa " option what is it for ?

It is a GUI frontend specifically for MacOs, similar to SDL and GTK. First introduced with Qemu 7.2 as far as I can remember.

>Do you know how to "boot" automatically without writing the command line every
time to initialize the "boot" ?

You could create a StartScript that does this automatically for you. For Windows and MacOs there are already instructions for this on https://www.amiga-news.de/de/forum/thr ... 36423&BoardID=6&start=151

"NVRAM settings aren't saved after exiting QEMU (to make the boot automatic)".

The nvram is not emulated yet therefore firmware environment variables are not preserved so the boot command has to be typed at each boot. As far as I know, they are already working on it.

>I have configured Amicygnix to export the DISPLAY
to be able to do this I need the amiga's ip not to be that of the "virtual router" .
With WinUAE I use NpCAP to directly use VMWare drivers how can I configure AmigaOS "RTL 8029" to get the same thing ?
for example with "Libpcap" is it then to have an external IP for AmigOS ?

I cannot answer this question, I have not tested it.

I like to write with you, but please don't ask so many questions, I'm the wrong person for that

One more thing, after installing AmigaOs4.1 FE you only need FE update 1 and FE update 2. HotFixUpdate 2 was added later in FE update 2, it is unnecessary to install
this HotFix if you have update 1 and 2 installed.

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Maijestro

Re: What the fastest possible x64 emulation way of OS4 today ?

Posted on: 2023/4/15 19:29 #840

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@whiteQuote:

white wrote:@Maijestro

GfxBench:

The one at 17.134.22 is me (Ryzen 5800x)

i tried to do it yesterday

But clearly they are entirely scores in theory
http://hdrlab.org.nz/benchmark/gfxbench2d/OS/AmigaOS

p.s
Today I prepare a few questions for you

but the FIX update (the third one released by Hyperion must be installed)
because in the live update it is not in the list.

EAB (it is the site of WinUAE).

But you can choose where you prefer to write about qemu..

I owe everything I've learned about AmigaOS 4.1 over time to this forum.
And to its users who know how to really use 4.1 and beyond.

Where there has always been an open mind towards emulation.

Besides the fact that they have always been available.

So if Amigans users don't mind, here too it would be a great choice because apart from emulation you can count on their experience on the software side, etc.

Thank you.

Your values are excellent in the benchmark, mine are from 26.2.2023 without -cpu 7447 I think I should repeat this benchmark so that I am again at the top of this list

Sure I work closely with Balaton Zoltan and through my persistence we have moved the project forward together, but I am not the developer of it all!

I get most of the information from BALATON Zoltan. The rest is based on my 4 months experience with the Qemu Pegasos 2 emulation AmigaOs4.1, as I tested it extensively.

With good luck there will be soon a central place for this project where we can collect our experiences and improvements.

BALATON Zoltan will try to provide this forum and we can then create it together and exchange experiences ,it is better than me having to post in countless forums.

I myself would like to play a bit more with AmigaOs4.1 under Qemu, but at the moment I am already too busy with answering questions.

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