@Rogue

"Something like Timberwolf is essential for a netbook IMO. We'll make an effort to have it run decently on that hardware. But we still need some more infrastructure in the OS for that, and we're building towards it."

Nice to read AOS4 R&D info.




Putting pieces together:
-Once the Gallium3D is ready, AOS4 GFX subsystem will go through major rework to fully use modern HW. (something like this was once said)
-Netbook will have less CPU power than SAM440, therefore it would be crusial to take everything out of the built in GPU.
-While Gallium3D already exist for AOS4 amongs core developers, it is not simple to make it to take the maximum out of both Radeon series and PowerVR built in some PPCs.
-And it has been said that Gallium3D will support/utilize new multicore capable AOS4.
-etc, etc...

It starts to become clear why things are taking longer than expected. A lot of things depend on each other. Next feature release for AOS4 will be big. One day. (minor updates and bugfixes might still appear while people wait for those new things)



my 0.2cents about LibreOffice:
-It’s a little slow on my 2x2Ghz x86 but more stable and more compatible than AbiWord on x86
-I personally would be using LibreOffice to handle some documents that need to be compatible with the mainstream
-Even just some document corverter kit built from LO would be enough for me (perhaps it’s all my SAM440 could handle anyway)
-I personally would first support Amigas native application writers (like Cinnamon writer), because I prefer light weight SW

Anyway having both is nicer than having just either one or no native tools for word processing.
Traditionally people have managed to optimize SW speeds greatly on Amigas (vs the code elsewhere).
Perhaps the trend continues and even those heavy ports start to fly.

@ChrisH

+1 !!!!!!

Is there any explanation why Warp3D is coming only for HD5000 and HD6000?

Is Gallium3D becoming available very soon for the rest of RadeonHD models?

To me xorro board means a board that fits on xorro slot.

LibreOffice is too slow on my AMD3800+.
And AbiWord crashes too often (on the same HW).

So, while libreOffice is nice to have, we need also some lightweight word processor.

Just re-checked. I have 2.8 installed.
AmiUpdate always tries to update netsurf, same today.
It loads files ok, install "looks like" it progress ok.
No errors. Update complete.

But I still have 2.8 installed.

au.log
...
20:40:08 Starting file download (6142996 Bytes)
20:40:08 Trying to connect to: flounder.pepperfish.net on port: 80
20:40:08 Connected
20:40:35 Transfer of file 'netsurf-2.9.lha' complete
20:40:35 Preparing to unarchive: netsurf-2.9.lha
20:40:39 Archive unpacked successfully
20:40:39 Trying to locate AutoInstall script..
20:40:39 'AutoInstall' script detected, preparing RollBack...
20:40:40 Executing AutoInstall script...
20:40:42 Script completed without errors
20:40:42 Cleaning up working directory...
20:40:42 Cleaned up without errors
20:40:42 Update finished
20:40:42 Checking for other entries in the same archive...
20:40:42 None found
20:40:42 Deleting working directory...

None of the files in internet/netsurf have changed.
Amiupdate sees that netsurf still needs updating, easy to redo...
I saw that extracted folder was present in RAM but got deleted... perhaps just the netsurf install script is broken...
Adding more debug log ...
And told au to leave the downloaded archive in ram...

autoinstall command:
; AmiUpdate AutoInstall for NetSurf
cd NetSurf
Installer Install APPNAME NetSurfAutoInstall DEFUSER NOVICE

NS_install.tmp:
1 ;BEGIN NetSurf
2 ClientName="NETSURF" ClientPath="APPDIR:NETSURF" CMDFORMAT="URL=*"http://www.%s*""
3 ;END NetSurf

Then I manually extracted netsurf. And tried it's installer in intermediate mode... it worked (did not have to change any parameters). (had no time to test further)

Perhaps the problem is with novice/automated install mode

About x1000: "up to 8 GB of RAM"

I have seen that referred a few times.
PA6T supports at least 16GB.
Is nemo somehow limited to only 8GB?

I personally would rather buy three A1-500 machines for the money of x1000. (unless you have very good use for the extra bits on x1000)

Once >2GB RAM, SATA2 RAID, 3D over PCIex16 and multicore becomes available via 4.2, things might change. Also xorro might be interesting for HW tinkerer.

Slightly offtopic...
But should AmiUpdate be able to keep the stable release up to date?
(I think for some reason mine does not seem to get updated automagically)
Any known issues with AmiUpdate + Netsurf?

From my SAM440ep use:

USB lockup / freeze:
-happens rarely (once per day) or every few minutes, depending where mouse and keyboard are plugged in.
-sometimes it can be fixed by removing/re-attaching USB devices

And some amount of (daily) crashes.

Known things:
-AC power needs to come from well grounded outlet
(I have that, but perhaps the 1.5mm2 cabling is too long for steady ground?)
-The single USB connection (port5, J17) is said to work better than J18 or J19 ones.
-HW inside the box: SATA DVD, SATA 2.5" HDD.

Todo:
-The AC power ground will become stronger when I get mu computer room ready.
-Try the J17... (I have ordered internal, powered hub for that)
-Try using powered external HUB
-Put more HW inside the box (decoration+extra HDD+Voodoo3?)
-Use pico PSU between ATX PSU and SAM ??????????
-Overclock SAM to see if it becomes stabler...

Yet another reason to consider using RadeonHD ... to get more power consumption for PSU to work? :P

I was wondering these same things little while ago:
@AW

I think Hyperion & AOS4 team are building a news splash for Amiwest. I bet there is absolute silence for awhile.

And for 64 bit on a 32 bit CPU/compiler:
typedef struct {int32 hi,lo;} int64;

? :)

Next: the official syntax for 32+64bit AOS4 apps is???
;)

I have spare (3.3v+5v PCI) KONIG USB card with VIA VT 6212L chip.... anyone know what might happen if I put it in my SAM440ep-mini ....
A) it works
B) smoke
C) I do not dare to....

hmmm

Then I should also test Opticam USB webcam ... BUT NOT TESTED YET!
I tried inLine ide to sata konverter some time ago, did not work, need to retry.
And fujitec HDD->USB adapter that I have not tesed yet...

Those USB based Anysee DigitalTV receivers should be in "write your own darn drivers" gategory... same for the FujiTec one. Anyone trying to port linux drivers for those?

just a note...

25fps gives smooth enough action on television etc. Human eye usually can not detect higher frame rates.
So, 20fps is already very good.

But there are some special people that want higher frame rate... just keep in mind that 60fps is maximum for standard LCD monitors (60Hz)(assuming that LCD pixels can switch state in less than 17ms... they should do 2ms nowdays, so not an issue).

Or something.... ;)

@kas1e

So betatesters have also OpenGL ??

(perhaps you meant the miniGL thingy)

Other than that...
It would be interesting to know what SW is used for Gallium3D and OpenGL2.0 testing.

((and if SMP kernel is there somewhere being tested))

So: Gallium3D runs on x1000 already.

Nice status update.

"...faster than that..."

With or without multicore support?

@afxgroup

As Gallium3D is being adapted to AOS4, why not prepare some 3D SW for it...

@Shadow

So, is Unity3D possible to get ported? ;P

Anyone asked the authors how much they would want for the sources?

(it seems alinea has been selling the product at some point)
Some screenshots etc.
It seems Drawstudio has more features than MindSpace and could be more mature than AmiFig.