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Re: Report your 'AmigaOS 4.0 Final' bugs here!
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@acefnq

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I had exactl;y the same settings, I don't know what you picture did but all of a sudden it has started to work and I changed nothing.


Magical picture!

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Only difference was I was looking at tooltypes for things in WBStarup to see if there could be any clashes.

Are you sure you did not (unadvertedly) touch anything? Are you sure it did not already work?
Anyway, it would be interesting hearing from others.

saimo

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Re: Report your 'AmigaOS 4.0 Final' bugs here!
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@orgin

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If it's not in the release then no.

No, it's not there... but on (heh) OS4Depot (works just fine here).

saimo

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Re: Report your 'AmigaOS 4.0 Final' bugs here!
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@orgin

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Well whatever the problem is (In my icon set all icons have a drawer associated with them and it still doesn't work all the time) having a file/directory shouldn't be an issue and should be corrected in a future update/release, as it would only confuse new users. There's no technical reason as to why it has to be that way, the icon graphics is associated with the info file, not the directory/file.

Fully agreed. I was just trying to give an explanation.

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Also the workbench windows seem to cache data in some way, you can manipulate the icons even though they don't exists in the file system. OS4 needs a better notification system so that file windows can update their content when stuff happens in the file system.

Uhm... have you tried AutoUpdateWB (not in the Final Update release)?

saimo

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Re: Report your 'AmigaOS 4.0 Final' bugs here!
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@acefnq

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I followed what you detailed in your previous posts, howver, I still get the same results as Michael. Destination blank when it should point to ram:

It sounds so strange... it just works here...
Let's make sure we're doing the same things... have a look at my settings here.

saimo

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Re: Report your 'AmigaOS 4.0 Final' bugs here!
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@orgin

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As for the icons refusing to copy by using drag&drop I see you have already run into that problem. The weird thing is that it seems you can do it one minute and the next you can't from the very same icon you just made. I made a whole icon set yesterday and it happened randomly. Especially often when trying to copy stuff into the def icons in anvarc/sys.

I think I know what you problem is. It's just that you are trying to drop icons that have no actual object associated.
Example:
1. create a drawer with an icon
2. remove the drawer and leave the icon
3. try dropping the icon on another drawer... nothing happens!
It's been like this forever.
Right now I've made a test with a project icon and the D&D works, so maybe the problem is only with drawers.

saimo

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Re: Report your 'AmigaOS 4.0 Final' bugs here!
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@MichaelMerkel

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it worked with upd4 the way i expected it to work. but now no longer.
(was online - will be again later this evening - just ping me then)

Erm... did you read my answer in post #92 (and post #94)?

saimo

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Re: Report your 'AmigaOS 4.0 Final' bugs here!
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@MichaelMerkel

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did both - but same result here. unarc only works in that way when started directly. started by clickin on a archive does just open unarc. without a destination path and without uarchiving the files...

See my post above

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Re: Report your 'AmigaOS 4.0 Final' bugs here!
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@spotUP

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Problem: Moving windows is slower.

Just for precision sake, I think that the problem is with graphical data rendering/moving in general, i.e. it's not about windows, but about video drivers.

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Problem: PPaint opens a requester saying 'Attention: Memory Save Mode'

Solution: Edit your Startup-Sequence, the setpatch line should look like this: C:SetPatch ADDCHIPRAM 2 QUIET


Problem: Working with PPaint in low resolutions (320x240/320x256) and few colors (anything less than 256) doesn't work, as the BG color is always set wrong, it's purple when it should be black.

Solution: None


Problem: When working with low resolutions in PPaint and zoom mode, the pixel you are drawing with moves around a little depending on where you point at the screen, it's not in the center of the marker as it should be.
Solution: It's a little bit better if you set mouse speed to 1:1, but the active area of the pointer is still offseted to the right.

Solution: None


Just a few notes about these PP issues:
* ADDCHIPRAM works, but also "steals" the amount of memory specified;
* not just the background, but also other colors are affected;
* colors are wrong only when displayed, as the actual data is correct (try saving the picture);
* also before the Final Update PP had problems with less than 8-bit screens, although they looked different (as if there was an additional plane of dirty memory - haven't tried whether this still happens).
* also before the Final Update the pointer centering was not correct in some screen modes.

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Problem: Not a bug, but the file requesters in ibrowse have black background, can that be changed? it looks so 1986 dos when they are black.

The black background has always been there meaning that the requester is in "save mode".
If the reported issue is not about save requesters, then here I don't have that problem.

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Problem: I have set destination to ram: in the unarc icon, but when i double click any archive it doesn't fetch the tooltype. however when i double click the unarc icon it fetches the tooltype.

Solution: set the whole path of the default tool (f.ex. SYS:Utilities/UnArc).

saimo


Edited by saimo on 2006/12/28 14:50:43
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Re: AOS4 graphics update is slower now
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Why would you want to do that?

Precisely because of what joerg himself explained: if for some reason the filesystem is/can not be loaded as a Kickstart module, still there is a way to boot the OS.

saimo

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Re: AOS4 graphics update is slower now
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@joerg

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Did you use the Update4 version of MediaToolBox to install the PPC native SmartFileSystem into the RDB?

So it must be, given that I was updating from U4 manually...

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Anyway, the only reason that doesn't fail with AmigaOS4 final is that the same version of SFS was loaded as kickstart module already, file systems are only loaded from the RDB if there is none with the same dos type already, or the one which is there already has a smaller version.revisions - which is the case with Update4 => you can't boot.

Perfect explanation. Thank you!

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PPC native file systems must not be stored into the RDB with MediaToolBox, that's not supported and never will be, only m68k file system can be stored in the RDB!

Ouch
I had forgotten this bit!!! I'll install the M68k version ASAP.
Thanks again, your help is much appreciated

saimo

edit: fixed quote and emoticon


Edited by saimo on 2006/12/28 14:23:44
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Re: AOS4 graphics update is slower now
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@joerg

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Sorry, I don't understand what you mean with new SFS installed on the disk.

I mean the (raw?) data stored on the disk that can be written only with MediaToolbox - i.e. not the file in Kickstart.

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Did you use the Update4 kickstart modules except for SmartFileSystem and used the one included in the final version instead? That should have worked.

I thought that could be a possible test, but I did not want to risk.
What I did was removing *all* the UF files and restoring *all* the U4 files to the boot partition.

edit: by "*all*" I mean also the preferences, utilities, and whatever additional files I may have added/modified - in practice, I restored the latest full backup of my U4 setup.

Don't worry, SFS seems to be working perfectly

saimo

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Re: AOS4 graphics update is slower now
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@joerg

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You can't boot the AmigaOS4 final Workbench partition with the Update4 kickstart modules, it's not SFS but a lot of programs and libraries requiring the newer exec, newlib, intuition, etc., with the Update4 kickstart modules you have to boot an Update4 Workbench partition.

I've been too concise, sorry
I did put UF aside and re-install the previous, full U4 to the same partition (because I had no spare partitions). The only change with respect to my pre-UF setup was thus the new SFS installed on the disk: since I did not deem it safe to re-install the previous one, I gave up and restored the UF setup.

saimo

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Re: AOS4 graphics update is slower now
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@LiveForIt

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what about this line?

(CHIPTYPE=ATIRadeon.chip)

try removing the '(' and ')' symbols

That module is in the Kickstart and already loaded. I don't think it would make any difference (but I will do the test just for you ).
The point is that it's graphics *drawing* to be slower - monitor settings are OK.

edit: test done: no change.

saimo

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Re: AOS4 graphics update is slower now
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I will re-install it, do a few tests and report the results soonish.

I tried, but unfortunately U4 Kickstart won't boot anymore (I guess it's because of compatibility issues with the new SFS). So, no U4 tests from me.
A test I did anyway was using the new method (monitor tooltypes) for defining screenmodes instead of the old one (Picasso96Prefs): as expected, no change in speed whatsoever.

saimo

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Re: AOS4 graphics update is slower now
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@tonyw

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Would someone who has a working "fast" Update4 installation AND a working "slow" Final installation do this for me:

1) Boot the Update4 installation, run Prefs/ScreenMode and write down the Mode Properties (Visible size, Maximum colours, Horizontal and Vertical freequencies).
2) Boot the Final installation and write down the same numbers.

See if there is any difference between the two installations and report back here.

Just to be clear, in my case I have kepy my custom Picasso96 settings.

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I've tried Update4, current beta system and Final release and I can't see any difference between them as long as the GUI settings are the same in each one.
Of course, if you have window drag-with-contents set in Final but not in Update4, then it will be slower.
[/edit]

You can't notice the difference probably because there is not much of a difference between the latest beta system and the final. You should compare the public update 4.
I will re-install it, do a few tests and report the results soonish.

saimo

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Re: AOS4 graphics update is slower now
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ikir wrote:
Have you tweaked tooltypes of your monitor?

IMHO it is not a matter of monitor settings, but of blitting and/or data transfer to video memory. Maybe the latest changes in the video drivers (HAM support, overlay, etc.) have caused this side effect. It would be nice to hear directly from the developers... can anybody enlighten us, please?

saimo

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Re: AOS4 graphics update is slower now
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@Severin

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Edit your startup-sequence, add "ADDCHIPRAM=2" to setpatch to add 2 mb of emulated chipram and get ppaint working.

Thanks for the hint (I had just tried it after reading what you said in the "Report your 'AmigaOS 4.0 Final' bugs here!" thread).
It works, but unfortunately that amount of CHIP RAM gets pre-allocated, so it is basically wasted. I'll do without, as I can live with PP trying to close the WB

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Re: AOS4 graphics update is slower now
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@Severin

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try using the new mode tooltypes instead of the old p96 steeings file

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I have a RADEON 9000 card, with the following monitor settings:
BOARDTYPE=Radeon
CMPLENGTH=6
(CHIPTYPE=ATIRadeon.chip)
(BORDERBLANK=Yes)
(BIGSPRITE=Yes)
SOFTSPRITE=No
IGNOREMASK=Yes
(DISPLAYCHAIN=Yes)
FAKENATIVEMODES=No
INTERRUPT=Yes
VSYNCMIN=60
VSYNCMAX=85
HSYNCMIN=31500
HSYNCMAX=64000
SETTINGSFILE=ENVARC:Sys/P96.prefs


atm your mixing BOTH systems together:

VSYNCMIN=60
VSYNCMAX=85
HSYNCMIN=31500
HSYNCMAX=64000

are the new system

SETTINGSFILE=ENVARC:Sys/P96.prefs

is the old system

I know that I'm mixing the two things, but since I'm not defining any mode with the new method, the mix should not have side effect - in fact, if I remove the sync parameters from the tooltypes, nothing changes.
I'm not keen on using the new method as it gives less freedom for fine-tuning and, anyway, I don't think it would change a thing given that the Picasso layer would still be there doing its job.

saimo

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Re: AOS4 graphics update is slower now
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@spotUP

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oh no!
I use PPaint every day!
I get a requester saying 'Attention Memory Save Mode'
when i start it now. :/

I use PP a lot as well and that's really annoying indeed.
I tried fiddling with the settings, but no matter what I do, it will insist on trying to close the WB and go in memory save mode. My guess is that it cannot handle the big numbers returned now for the CHIP memory because of the new (and great ) "unified" memory model.
BTW: if you push the settings too much, it will eventually refuse to run complaining about missing blit libraries - the only way to roll back is editing by hand the prefs files or replacing them with working ones.

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And yes, window moving is slower here too.

I'm happy it's not just a problem with my setup (you know, I installed everything by hand after mounting the ISO image), but definitely unhappy with the slowdown
I'd like to point out that IMHO it's not just a matter of window moving, but, a general issue with blitting (f.ex., even SDL blits are slower now).

saimo

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Re: AOS4 graphics update is slower now
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@ZeroG

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Maybe the "Avoid flicker"-Switch in the GUI prefs?

Unfortunately, it is not a matter of flickering.

edit: I did not change any setting: everything is like before.

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