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Re: Give glUAE a go
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@328gts

Thanks for your wonderful support!

As for getting your joypad to work, acefnq gives us a hint:
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The SAM optomised will not support AmigaInput, .28 will not support the sound_latency option which greatly improves sound quality.

In other words, he's using the "regular" 0.8.29.

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Re: Give glUAE a go
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@acefnq

I'm most thankful for your great feedback and support... thanks a lot!

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Re: Installing & running classic software in few clicks
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@all

The updated list reads as follows:
* Alien Breed Tower Assault (AGA) [ADF/IPF/WHDLoad]
* All Terrain Racing [ADF]
* Arcade Pool [ADF/IPF]
* Banshee [DOS]
* Benefactor [ADF]
* Deluxe Galaga [DOS]
* Follia NBA [DOS]
* Katakis [ADF/WHDLoad]
* Kick Off 2 CV [ADF]
* Lionheart [ADF]
* Lotus Turbo Challenge 2 [ADF/WHDLoad]
* R-Type [ADF/WHDLoad]
* Sensible World of Soccer 96-97 [ADF/WHDLoad]
* Shadow Fighter (ECS) [ADF/WHDLoad]
* Slam Tilt [DOS]
* Super Stardust [WHDLoad]
* Superfrog [ADF/IPF/WHDLoad]

Probably you have noticed that there is only one game more (Alien Breed Tower Assault), but the real novelty is that now, wherever possible, more "versions" for the same game are supported: f.ex., Superfrog now can be run from the original IPF images, from ordinary ADF images (in case IPF support is missing) or by means of WHDLoad (in all cases, transparently as always). The helper will let you choose during installation.
Also, helpers have been improved in a variety of ways - the two most important changes are that re-installation can be performed without having to re-download and that, during installation, you can choose whether to keep, store in a different place or discard the documentation that (if any) comes with the downloaded archives.

I'll update the videos soonish, but, in the meanwhile, you can try the example helper, which is completely up-to-date.

EDIT

Videos updated - for your convenience:
* running Superfrog, All Terrain Racing, AMOS Professional and AmigaOS 3.9 with glUAE;
* installing Superfrog with its glUAE helper;
* installing R-Type (and missing tools) with its glUAE helper.
Please note that the videos have been recorded on the fly on the same machine performing the operations, so the frame rate is low, the resolution is small and things happen more slowly than normal.


Edited by saimo on 2010/2/10 18:40:30
Edited by saimo on 2010/2/10 18:46:56
Edited by saimo on 2010/2/10 18:49:56
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Re: Installing & running classic software in few clicks
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@all

The helpers system has matured quite a lot since I presented it: for this reason all the stuff linked to in the original post has been updated.
Moreover, the collection of helpers, although still small, has started growing - now it includes helpers for the following games:
* All Terrain Racing
* Arcade Pool
* Banshee
* Benefactor
* Deluxe Galaga
* Follia NBA
* Katakis
* Kick Off 2 CV
* Lionheart
* Lotus Turbo Challenge 2
* R-Type
* Sensible World of Soccer 96-97
* Shadow Fighter (ECS)
* Slam Tilt
* Super Stardust
* Superfrog

If there is any particular game you'd like to see supported, ask here - but please provide also a legal download link


Edited by saimo on 2010/2/8 18:28:09
Edited by saimo on 2010/2/8 20:55:08
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Re: Installing & running classic software in few clicks
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@328gts

Good practice. I wish I had the room (and the time) to do the same with my A1200...

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Re: Installing & running classic software in few clicks
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@328gts

I'm really happy for you
But I have to admit I always shed a tear when one our beloved Miggies retires...

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Re: Installing & running classic software in few clicks
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@328gts

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yes when I choose full screen mode at game startup I get the full height of my screen and only a small portion is blank at the sides of the screen...

Ah, perfect then: the black bands are necessary to respect the aspect ratio, because the game's is different from the monitor's.

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Re: Native Look, with no blocky pixels
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@kas1e

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Btw, maybe i am wrong, but imho many games for classic amigas done as 25fps only ? (because of TVs, etc) ?

On the contrary, I'd say the majority runs a 50 FPS (and there are also some that update parts of the graphics at 50 FPS and some other parts at 25 FPS).

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Re: Native Look, with no blocky pixels
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@kas1e

If it looks identical, maybe Aladdin happens to run natively at 25 FPS (like, f.ex., Ruff'n'Tumble).

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Re: Native Look, with no blocky pixels
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@kas1e

I did not mention frameskipping because to me it causes too a severe quality drop - I'd rather not play a game than playing it with frameskipping.
Honestly, I can't understand why you prefer playing with frameskipping in a 640x512 window, rather than without frameskipping in a 320x256 screen...

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Re: Installing & running classic software in few clicks
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@328gts

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well i finally got my beloved Deluxe Gal;aga working great on my Samflex@800 with your helper installer soo a BIG thank you for making glUAE

You're welcome!

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The game plays smooth on a smaller screen with in game music shut off...

Smaller than what? I hope the game area still covers most of your monitor's.

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you were right in that the installation was'nt as difficlut as I first thought and the helper installation was painless and straight forward! A small donation is coming your way my friend

I'm very happy everything went so smoothly

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Re: Installing & running classic software in few clicks
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@kas1e

Yeah, I understand you very well: I've been thinking the same a few times... sure, it's not exactly the real thing, but so enjoyable nonetheless...

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Re: Installing & running classic software in few clicks
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@kas1e

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In general, what i dislike, it's that fact, that helpers connect somethere and download something. I always preferable downlaod all what i need myself, and later setup it as i want. Also these "connects to some site" will just die after a while and will not works (because site will die anyway soon or not so, but will, it's just one more amiga-related site which will be get to trash after i while 100%).

So for me still just setting basic/initial glUAE are much better. But maybe someone will found helpers usefull of course :)

I wasn't suggesting you should use helpers: I was just pointing out to others that helpers help users avoiding the manual steps you were talking about.

By the way, as for downloading stuff. Helpers aren't meant to be used more than once: when one receives a helper he uses it and gets the game installed; after that, he can just delete the helper - it's just of no use to keep it.

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The bad think with that video, that is recorded by SREC, so - it's not show how it feels for real. How many fps, how fast it react and so on. Team17 logo jumps strange, and users who will watch that video will think "holy crap, what is that ? uae emualtor ??".

Yes, of course the frame rate is slow, but the point is showing how easy is running stuff with glUAE.

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+ you show there adfs choice, long waiting, archive boredom (users mostly don't want to have something packet, and autounpack it every time, users mostly just unpack all of this one time, and use it).

You must be thinking of the wrong video: the one I indicated just shows how easily Superfrog, All Terrain Racing, AMOS Professional and a whole AmigaOS 3.9 system are launched with glUAE.

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Will be cool if you can record such video but just by the camera, which will show real fps, real speed, real react of os and e-uae itself :) For now it's just slideshow :(

I wanted to do that, but my bro took the camera somewhere else, so at the moment I can't.

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Re: Installing & running classic software in few clicks
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@328gts

glUAE is not as complicated as it seems, and now helpers make life a lot easier!


@kas1e

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glUAE are rokz. If you will one time understand how setup it fast, then in end you will have just dbl-click on icon, and your game will runs without any problems.

Thanks, I'm happy you find glUAE so useful.

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There is nothing patches, no any annoing windowses, you just preapre .rc file (your uae config) and put it to the directory of the game. And then just an icon, which point on the one gluae sript. Then just double click on it will run your game.

With the helpers, even the simple steps you mentioned aren't necessary anymore (but, of course, who wants can keep on doing those operations manually)

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But better see one time on video, just to detect how good is it (later)

Although the quality is low, I have posted a video myself: get it from here (it's linked also in the initial post, but since I added it later with an edit, it might have passed unnoticed).

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Re: Installing & running classic software in few clicks
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@AlfaR0me0

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The idea of get our games installed automatically sounds good but, if we want a program like LightWave 5.2 (this version exist spreaded in the net), it?s possible install it with same method?

Sure it is (have a look at this video, where you can see AMOS Professional and then AmigaOS 3.9 being launched from the WB menu). The point is: does it make any sense? Generally we already have native versions of old applications and sometimes, like in the case you mention, emulation performance could be a problem.

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Re: Native Look, with no blocky pixels
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@kas1e

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So, the question: Have EUAE any option, for strech all the data over all the window ? And if not, how i can to manage all the games run in "full-window", without black borders ? I need check every game and check by pixels size of working area ?

You have to check the size manually.

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Installing & running classic software in few clicks
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QUICKSTART

Videos:
* running Superfrog, All Terrain Racing, AMOS Professional and AmigaOS 3.9 with glUAE;
* installing Superfrog with its glUAE helper;
* installing R-Type (and missing tools) with its glUAE helper.

Please note that the videos have been recorded on the fly on the same machine performing the operations, so the frame rate is low, the resolution is small and things happen more slowly than normal.


DESCRIPTION

The subject of running classic software on AOS4 easily and transparently has been and still is widely discussed. This thread brought me to a decision: making things even easier than they currently are.
That's to make a long story short. Now, instead of giving boring explanations, I'll let you see and then also try my idea.

First of all, here's a video showing Superfrog being installed from scratch and then run (excuse me the very low resolution: it was necessary because my A1, besides performing the operations shown, was also recording the video on the fly).
This is what was needed (except for the stuff that comes with the OS, of course): LhA, curl, SetDTool, UAE and glUAE, plus the helper, which is the piece of software that performed the installation process. Had SetDTool and glUAE not been available, they'd have been downloaded and installed automatically as shown by this additional video.

To avoid that one is fooled into thinking that all that work is need just to run a game, let me stress (again) that those videos show also the installation of the games and of the additional tools required. Just running classic software is as easy as running native software - have a look at this other video.

Now, if you're interested, you can find all the details and also a practical example to try out on the "HELPERS" page of glUAE's website.

Please note that the project has just started (in fact, the page is incomplete). I have only a few helpers ready, but, if there is enough interest, I plan to create those for several (many?) of the legally available applications (games, to start with) and to ask for a donation of EUR 1 for each of them.
What do you think?


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Re: Native Look, with no blocky pixels
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@kas1e

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Tryed now, indeed pretty easy and logical looks like.

Now just imagine how comfortable that must be to who isn't a UAE/Amiga(D)OS expert

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But still, thats only legaly games, but we all know that all the users want to play only warez games mostly ;)

Well, I honestly don't care: better having coverage for legal software than none at all

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Re: Native Look, with no blocky pixels
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@kas1e

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Well, in general, for me all that "installation sripts" always make more problems if compare with just coping something to some directory, and run it when i want (as with example with glUAE, i just copy scripts to whatewer i want, and in the info of game just put all the path with script name). And nothing more need it, no installers, no any helpers, etc.. For example again realted to glUAe, in generall, user need one script copy to any place: glUAE_LA , and nothing more. Imho, that is good side of glUAE because nothing hard, just one scrip. Installer imho a bit fuck the users head always (that strange, because it usually used for making it easy for users, but imho for users much easy do manual copy, because user will 100% know where and what he hopy).

You see, my project is not meant to make just glUAE usage easier but to make *UAE* usage easier as well! There are lots of users out there that have no clue as to how to set up UAE - and to some others find even glUAE obscure.
If you try the example I've already made available, you'll understand

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Also about i think (that realted to help end-users) : that maybe make some archive database, which will be called: whdloadgames_gluae_os4. User just download unpack, and play. But still, and even here some problems: for first it will be warez 100% (because good games are warez of course).

For sure I'm not the one who's going to build such a repository. I'll support only the legally available games.

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For second, we have different machines, so, for me 640x512 window are rokz for some games, for sam users with 666 mgz it will slow, and he will again unhappy because of all of this ..

The point is to provide the most optimized setup for each applications and giving a few options during installation. Of course there will be cases where one will need to do some manual fine-tuning, but that boils down to just editing a ready-made UAE configuration file.


Edited by saimo on 2010/2/7 19:46:34
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Re: Native Look, with no blocky pixels
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@kas1e

"real" generally isn't a good setting for AGA games because that slows the CPU down to the speed of a 7 MHz 68000 - from UAE's documentation: If set to 'real', E-UAE will try to emulate the performance of an original 7MHz 68000-based Amiga such as an A500.
For sure cpu_speed is an important setting, but one should experiment with integer values on a per-application basis to get the most optimized performance.

On another note, have a look at what I'm about to do

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