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Digital vs. analogue joysticks with OS 4
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Posted on: 2017/1/13 11:18
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Back in 1997/98, when I bought all the necessary parts for building my Amiga4000PPC Tower, I also bought a few games that supported digital joysticks (like Competition Pro), as well as analogue ones. Back then I also bought a pair of analogue joysticks and deemed them better suited for simulator games (like e.g. F1 GP) than the digital ones (like my Competition Pro). Now, in the NG-Amiga days, it sort of surprises me that there is no more talk about analogue joysticks, despite the fact that they allow for a much more precise steering experience. As I'm just considering to upgrade my experimental OS 4.0 classic setup from 2007/2008 to OS 4.1 FE classic Update1 and donating my Miggy at least one BigRamPlus, I'm also wondering how the support for analogue joysticks or steering wheels is in OS 4? I mean - I rarely Play games - but if so, then mostly simulations. And there I would definitely prefer analogue steering devices over digital ones anytime. I would like to see e.g. steering wheels supported, including pedals, gearsticks, force feedback and the like for racing games. And something equivalent for flight simulations, as well. All analogue, of course... What do the Amiga Gamers think about that?
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Re: Compatibility of (old) PowerUp/WarpUp PPC software with NG hardware?
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Posted on: 2016/11/18 9:54
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@Srtest
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Thank you very much mate!
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Re: More than 128 mB on a CSPPC?
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Posted on: 2016/11/17 6:52
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@ OlafS3 - #11: Quote:
Original by OlafS3:
there is discussion relating to ... and then you can decide what you want and can afford.
That sounds promising! A standalone version would render the need of having to use 20-30 yrs old hardware redundant. Quote: Thanks for the link! Interesting read...
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Re: More than 128 mB on a CSPPC?
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Posted on: 2016/11/16 7:29
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@ Rob - #9: Quote:
Original by Rob:
I bet if you had an X5000 there you'd soon find the A4000 with CSPPC sat in the corner too. However you don't so I would totally understand your scepticism.
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That might very well be. I'd really love to get my hands on one and play with the XENA/XORRO thingie. But - as I already pointed out - I currently have a system that has and runs all the software I need. With an NG system I would have to test first which of my old classic software runs flawlessly on the new environment and would have to look for NG software to replace those classic software titles that don't run satisfactorily on the NG system. And this could turn out to be an impossible task, as we all know that the available NG software is still far from being on the same level than what was available for the classic Amiga systems (especially when it comes to productivity software) when they were still supported by mayor software companies. So I might as well end up using both systems... Quote:
Original by Rob:
Pity you can't have both so you could find out for yourself which you'd prefer.
I might be able to find a way to fund an X5000 next year, if no further unexpected expenses come up. Quote:
Original by Rob:
I only suggested 030 because I didn't know about the A1200 you had and it's always nice to have a system for WHDload if you still enjoy the old games
Yeah - aside from the A4kPPC I also have an towered A1200 with 030@40 and two A500s with Viper520, and bags full of old floppy disks with all kind of games. So many that I never found the time to try every disk and look what games are on them... (I got the disks when I bought used Miggies) I have a nice "CompetitionPro" and even a pair of analogue joysticks. But to be honest I can't remember how long ago it is when I at last played a game on one of my Miggies... Quote:
Original by Rob:
or some of less demanding serious applications that rely on Commodore hardware.
 The problem is that most of those "less demanding serious applications" don't exactly do what I need/want to do...yeah, I know - me and my weird hobbies...  Quote:
Original by Rob:
Maybe when the Vampire 1200 appears the A4000 and A1200 will swap places.
Wasn't there also talk about a Vampire 4000? And then there still are my two A500s in the locker... So I might end up with four Vampires (just dreaming)... But still - even if I would buy a Vamp - I would have to rely on hardware (namely the mobos) that is between 20 and 30 years old... And furthermore ( found on the 'Apollo Accelerators' homepage): " Loads of memory: Ever heard of the sentence "640K Ought to be Enough for Anyone"? Vampire is cranking it up to 128MB." Yeah - Bill Gates once said that. But here on the 'Detailed datasheet' they say: Quote:
Original by Apollo datasheet:
Loads of memory: Apollo based accelerators all offer at least 128MB of FastRAM.
"At least" normally means that there will also be versions with more FastRAM than just 128 mB. 512 mB or 1 gB might be enough for my demands - I actually HAVE 128 mB of RAM in my A4kPPC, and it is NOT enough...
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Ciao,
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If someone enjoys marching to military music, then I already despise him.
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Re: More than 128 mB on a CSPPC?
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Posted on: 2016/11/15 11:54
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@ LiveForIt - #5: Quote:
Original by LiveForIt:
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Even worse - it's just a "25 mHz local PCI bus"!
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I'm sure that's not right, I think way they say 25 MHz there is because they are talking about zorro to PCI adapters. It illogical that be anything else then 33Mhz or 66Mhz slot on CyberStorm.
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Hmmm - the original CVPPC manual by Phase5 does not mention the "local PCI bus". I took this info from the Amiga Resource website: CyberVision PPC:
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RTG graphics card
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- 25 MHz local PCI bus
- 8 MB 64 bit wide SGRAMNothing with regard to "zorro to PCI adapters" - sorry. I have no idea if the figures given there are correct...
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Ciao,
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If someone enjoys marching to military music, then I already despise him.
He got his brain accidently - the bone marrow in his back would have been sufficient for him!
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Re: More than 128 mB on a CSPPC?
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Posted on: 2016/11/15 6:15
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@ Rob - #6: Quote:
Original by :
Flog the CSPPC to a collector, ... and ... get an 030 or 040 CPU card for the A4000.
Sorry - but this does not make any sense for the A4000. Why should anyone be so stupid and throw a rare, powerful 060 out in favour for an inferior, under-performing 030 or 040? I have an 030 @ 40 mHz 'running' in my A1200. And the A1200 is sitting in the corner collecting dust most of the time, as it is non-usable nowadays in terms of performance - from my POV. Quote:
Original by :
... buy an X5000 ...
I would like to get one of those - but I would not give the CSPPC away for it...
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Ciao,
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If someone enjoys marching to military music, then I already despise him.
He got his brain accidently - the bone marrow in his back would have been sufficient for him!
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Re: More than 128 mB on a CSPPC?
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Posted on: 2016/11/11 7:18
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@ LiveForIt - #3: Quote: Thanks for this link - very interesting read, indeed. But how dated is this article? I mean - it says "The standard VGA hardware contains up to 256K of onboard display memory.". "VGA hardware"? "up to 256K of onboard display memory"? That seems to have been a while ago... Quote:
Original by :
Well its possible,
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Great! Quote:
Original by :
but the PCI memory, is normally paged memory of 128K per page, so memory has to be virtual memory, you can't access all memory directly.
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Bummer! Quote:
Original by :
The PCI bus maybe bit faster then Zorro bus, it's not ideal. It's also 66Mhz, so it will be bottleneck.
Even worse - it's just a " 25 mHz local PCI bus"! As I read, also the Zorro III bus is just 25 mHz and "can be overclocked to 33 mHz too but real amiga video and sound will probably suffer" ( http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-51791.html). I'm wondering at what clock speed the PCI bus on an Mediator in a 25 mHz Zorro-III slot runs...
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Ciao,
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If someone enjoys marching to military music, then I already despise him.
He got his brain accidently - the bone marrow in his back would have been sufficient for him!
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More than 128 mB on a CSPPC?
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Posted on: 2016/11/10 13:40
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Since 1997, I'm 'proud owner' of a towered Amiga 4000 with CyberstormPPC card, which is still in use.
For a while, I also had a CyberVisionPPC graphics card, but the onboard video ram size of just 8 mB quickly turned out to be insufficient and so I exchanged it for a Voodoo4 PCI graca in the Mediator PCI busboard.
But meanwhile, also the 128 mB 64 Bit wide FastRAM on the CSPPC are too little.
But there exists - at least for WIntel-PCs - the possibility to 'alienate' the GPU and also the graphics memory on the graca and use it for calculations and as working memory, if I got that right.
The CyberVisionPPC is connected to the CyberStormPPC via a "25 mHz local PCI bus" and has "8 mB of 64 Bit wide SGRAM" onboard.
Now I was wondering if it could theoretically be possible to make a small harware add-on with - lets say - 128 mB (or more?) of 64 Bit wide SGRAM onboard and to connect this to the „25 mHz local PCI bus“ on the CSPPC with the apropriate plug and provide this additional Ram `somehow to the AmigaOS?
Ram expansion boards like the ZorRAM can only be used for "swapping" - perhaps could more RAM be provided as working memory this way - like on WIntel PCs? It has often been raved about the fast linking of the CVPPC to the CSPPC via this "local PCI bus" - it should somehow be possible to capitalise on it, shouldn't it?
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If someone enjoys marching to military music, then I already despise him.
He got his brain accidently - the bone marrow in his back would have been sufficient for him!
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Re: SuperBase Pro help
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Posted on: 2016/11/8 11:57
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Oooops - double post - sorry!
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Ciao,
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He got his brain accidently - the bone marrow in his back would have been sufficient for him!
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Re: SuperBase Pro help
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Posted on: 2016/11/8 11:56
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@ apsturk: Quote:
Original by apsturk:
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working on a deal to take over!!! Wish me luck in the negation
So be it - good luck! And one question: Do you have an idea where I can buy a legal copy of the latest OS3.x Version of SuperBase Pro?
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If someone enjoys marching to military music, then I already despise him.
He got his brain accidently - the bone marrow in his back would have been sufficient for him!
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Re: Compatibility of (old) PowerUp/WarpUp PPC software with NG hardware?
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Posted on: 2016/11/8 9:11
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@ Amigo1 - #29: Quote:
Original by Amigo1:
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fxScan wasn't the latest version available as far as I remember; I'm not sure if I have version 3.0.
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I have Version 4, which comes with PDF maker and OCR... Very important and useful tools, if you ask me. Quote:
Original by Amigo1:
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Both work normally, but faster than they did when the artec AM12S scanner was connected to the A4000/060/PPC.
Glad to hear that these extreme useful classic productive software titles also run flawlessly on NG Amiga systems! Do you know if other, native OS 4.x software with the same features exists? Quote:
Original by Amigo1:
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Since I was looking for FreeCAD to work on Linux side on my X1000 I decided to give MaxonCAD and dynaCADD a go.
Great! So you're also a CAD professional? Quote:
Original by Amigo1:
Both work flawlessly as far as I can tell. The Applications load in a blink of an eye, the projects from the "Beispiele" drawer load instantly. Zooming in and out, is blatantly faster than on AmigaOS 3.1 or 3.9 emulated by AmigaForever on a 3.16GHZ quad-core 16GiB RAM intel-PC running on Windows 7 or Windows 10.
That's good news! Even on my 060 @ 50 mHz the refresh of a 3D view in DynaCADD seems to be quite slow, especially complex ones. That must be because I got spoilt by the speed of modern hardware at work! Today it is hard to believe that I started to 'use' DynaCADD on a 68000 cpu @ 7.14 mHz (A500). That really was a trial of patience... Quote:
Original by Amigo1:
Since I am not yet familiar with dynaCADD I will dive into it since I need a 3D CAD for a project.
During my CAD training (1989 - 1992) we used CIS MEDUSA on SUN workstations and CADDS4X on the CGP200X running CGOS200X at school. As Dynacadd worked similar to Cadds4x, it was not too hard to get into it - even without the docs. Do you have the docs for DynaCADD? Quote:
Original by Amigo1:
I might enjoy it better than working with FreeCAD (excellent btw) on Linux.
As I never used Linux I cannot test it. Some years ago I tried to install Linux/APUS from the Amiga Unix Compendium CDs on my A4kPPC, but the verison on my CDs did not have support for the UW-SCSI on my CSPPC yet, which I use exclusively (all my HDs are connected to it). When I tried to find a different Kernel with UW-SCSI support on the web I got blown away by the sheer mass of different Kernels and Bootstraps ans got completely lost. So I never got to the point where I had a working Linux - neither on the Amiga, nor on a PC. I 'just' learned UNIX at the CAD school... Quote:
Original by Amigo1:
Btw I have elastic and Fantastic Dreams stored in a box somewhere at my parents house, but it might take weeks if not months to get the time to search for them. :/
Well, they're quite good morphing programs. Does something similar exist natively for OS4.x?
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If someone enjoys marching to military music, then I already despise him.
He got his brain accidently - the bone marrow in his back would have been sufficient for him!
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Re: Compatibility of (old) PowerUp/WarpUp PPC software with NG hardware?
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Posted on: 2016/11/7 13:39
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@ OlafS3 - #21: Quote:
Original by OlafS3:
If money is limited I would recommend you to use AmigaForever on your modern PC.
I concur! Quote:
Original by OlafS3:
In many cases there are modern applications available that are free of charge (either freeware or open source) that can easily replace the old amiga software like gimp for image processing
Yeah - but unfortunately not the kind of apps that I'm after (see above)... Quote:
Original by OlafS3:
Amiga is a nice and interesting hobby, not more. Trying to use it as a main productive platform does not sound very reasonable to me (be it the limitation of the OS, missing drivers, no up-to-date office, no up-to-date browser and so on).
I know I have weird hobbies. But I don't want "to use it as a main productive platform". Being a mechanical engineer and CAD analyst it is quite obvious where my interests are. By the time of my CAD training (1989) I got my first second hand Amiga500 with 1081 monitor and an external floppy drive for 1.200 DM, while a brandnew, bare 80386 PC did cost 6.000 DM. The Amiga could display up to 4096 colours and had stereo sound by standard, while the 386 came with Hercules monochrome grahics card and could make "beep". For the Amiga I just needed to buy a decent CAD program (or to visit a decent mailbox), while for the 386 PC I would have had to spend a fortune for a VGA graphics board with 256 colours and an audio card. Not to speak of the 15.000 DM for Autocad, which, at that time, was not even capable of 3D CAD. Back then I was impressed what could be done on the Amiga at a fraction of the costs you would have had with an PC. And - in contrary to the PCs - the Amiga could multitask. So I started to dream of doing serious CAD on Amigas and was hoping for more powerful Amiga hardware. Some years later I built my A4kPPC for that. But in the meantime I had become a father and had to focus on earning money and bringing the kids up, instead of 'playing' with my Amigas, but never gave up the dream of doing CAD and CNC on the Amiga. I always thought I can do that one day when I'm retired. Now this is coming within reach, but now my good old A4kPPC is too underpowered for my taste. I have collected all the (Amiga-)software required for this task and just need new hardware with more power than my A4kPPC, also more memory than the CSPPC's 128 mB would be welcome. You see - although it may sound as if I wanted "to use it as a main productive platform", I just want to realise an old dream hobbywise... Oh yeah - old boys and their toys...
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If someone enjoys marching to military music, then I already despise him.
He got his brain accidently - the bone marrow in his back would have been sufficient for him!
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Re: Compatibility of (old) PowerUp/WarpUp PPC software with NG hardware?
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Posted on: 2016/11/7 12:30
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@ LiveForIt - #23: Quote:
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"fx SCAN 4"
if remember correct, it used its on API for scanners, and cameras, but as USB stack in AmigaOS4.1 does not support streaming, and don't use the same API, I don't think this application ever worked. Anyway now it's impossible to get hold of application, now IOSpirit has gone MacOS.
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fxSCAN 4 is for scanners. What you mean with regard to cameras must be VHIstudio, I think. On my system ,I use an old Epson GT 6500 SCSI-II scanner, but support for modern USB scanners would be welcome. But as far as I know the scanners are operated either by using the free Betascan-drivers (included on the fxSCAN CD) or an already installed commercial ScanQuix (which is what I use, version 5.5), which obviously is still available at Vesalia in the category Amiga/Software/Application - as well as an USB version. For fxSCAN you should look at e-bay - its offered there from time to time. Also see the fxScan4 review here. The application works flawlessly with AmigaOS3.9/WarpOS 16.1 - don't know if it works with AOS 4.x or not. But as long as there exists native OS4.x scanner software (or at least scanner support via AmiCygnix/xsane) I don't care. Quote:
Original by LiveForIt:
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"Fantastic Dreams"
I imagine that Gimp will be able to do most of that; a classic program I know works is ImageEfx.
I don't know "Gimp", so I can't tell if it offers similar functionality as Elastic-/Fantastic-Dreams... Quote:
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"Real3d"
As Real3d don't work so well, and from the looks of it looks horrible dated, I most recommend Blender, this is truly an excellent port done by Andy.
Actually Real3D IS outdated. I also don't know about Blender - is it similar to Real3D? Quote:
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As for Classic program that is known to work on AmigaOS4.1 it's LightWave.
That sounds promising... Quote:
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For cad work, there is Amicad
One "cad work" is not like another. There are several fields of application like mechanical engineering, architectural engineering and electronic engineering - and each has its own specialised CAD programs. Amicad seems to be something like NewIO (electronic engineering). Not clear if it also has an autorouting function like NewIO. But as it says "- Schematics vectorial electronics program" I highly doubt it can be used to route PCB layouts from schematics with it. Seems more to be a simple program to draw schematics as vector graphics, while I would also need the possibility to route PCB layouts from the schematics... Furthermore there are contradictory statements regarding the "Requirements" - 3 times OS4.x is mentioned as requirement and one time they recommend "AmigaOS (OS3+, 3.9 recommended)" - see here. What now? Regarding CAD, I also need a real 3D CAD program with solid and surface modelers (BSPLINES, NURBS) for mechanical engineering (like DynaCADD), best with Booleann functions and CNC support (milling, drilling, lathing, grinding).
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If someone enjoys marching to military music, then I already despise him.
He got his brain accidently - the bone marrow in his back would have been sufficient for him!
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Re: Compatibility of (old) PowerUp/WarpUp PPC software with NG hardware?
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Posted on: 2016/11/7 12:26
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@ LiveForIt - #22: Quote:
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Ok, I have tested a few of this for you now.
Thanks for this effort! Quote:
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NewIO, this one starts, but for some unknown reason it does not refresh its graphics, the program itself looks like a 10 year old made it
(Dragging the screen up and down, make the graphic refresh, but that not really good way to work.)
Don't let yourself be fooled by the look of the GUI into believing that "a 10 year old made it"! Of course, on the one hand the GUI looks horribly outdated today, but on the other hand I wouldn't expect a program from the late eighties/early ninetees to have a modern GUI by todays standards. Back then my friends and I used it a lot to make PCB layouts from schematics with it and then produced PCBs from that (e.g. a sound digitiser for the a500, an eprommer etc.). Worked like a charm on our old A500s... Quote:
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This programs looks like where made for Kickstart 2.1, its fun to see old programs like that running, but ... it might be possible to fix some glitches that way.
Now this sounds promising! Quote:
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There are clearly some issues, that Hyperion should look into here, the refresh issue and menus, I see no good reason for way it should look that way, or behave that way. Hopefully some beta tester will try it out and make bug reports to Hyperion.
It would be great if NG AmigaOS would reach a state where such good old classic software could be run without glitches. Or if modern, native OS4.x programs with an equal or better functionality would be published (just dreaming)...
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If someone enjoys marching to military music, then I already despise him.
He got his brain accidently - the bone marrow in his back would have been sufficient for him!
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Re: Compatibility of (old) PowerUp/WarpUp PPC software with NG hardware?
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Posted on: 2016/11/4 10:50
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@ LiveForIt - #14: Quote:
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- Real3D - Not listed and I don't have this program.
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What do you mean with "not listed"? Where is it not listed? You may want to download it here: "Real3D v3" download at AmigaFutureQuote:
Original by LiveForIt:
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"Cinema4D" is patrilocal supported
Did you mean "partially"? Otherwise I don't know what "patrilocal" means... Quote:
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I found that "Cycas CAD" worked grate on AmigaOS4.1
I'm not especially interested in "Cycas", as this is for architectural engineering. I'm focussed on mechanical and electronic engineering. Quote:
Original by LiveForIt:
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"Maxon CAD" Works fine under Final Edition
"MaxonCAD" ist just 2D CAD and by that unusable for CNC. You need 3D CAD parts to generate an executable CNC code of it with "CNC Tool". The only real 3D CAD program for the classic Amiga was "DynaCADD". Quote:
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- Wildfire7 PPC - Not listed and I don't have this program.
In case you're interested in more information about this program: "Wildfire7 PPC" documentationQuote:
Original by LiveForIt:
- Elastic-/FantasticDreams - Not listed and I don't have this program.
In case you're interested in more information about these programs: "ElasticDreams" download at AmigaFuture"Fantastic Dreams" review and download at AmigaFutureQuote:
Original by LiveForIt:
- MathAmation - Not listed and I don't have this program.
I could find no review or download link, but it was mentioned at AmigaFuture: "MathAmation" mentioned at AmigaFutureIt is a quite advanced math program and function plotter with modules for mechanical engineering, physics, electric engineering, mercantile calculations and chemistry for the Amiga from 1987 by PS Squared Ltd. (Paddy Scully, Paul Sikorra), distributed by Progressive Peripherals. As it is from 1987, the GUI looks rather antiquated, but it nevertheless is still usable. Quote:
Original by LiveForIt:
- Comgraph (function plotter) - Not listed and I don't have this program.
In case you're interested in more information about this program: "Comgraph" review and download at Amiga Fish Disk databaseQuote:
Original by LiveForIt:
- NewIO - Not listed and I don't have this program.
Found source code to a program that can convert files from this program to postscript. The file format of this program looks simple. My guess is that won't take much to make program that like that.
In case you're interested in more information about this program: "NewIO" download at AmigaFutureI'd be careful with reasoning "NewIO's" complexity from the structure of it's output. It is about autorouting PCBs from electronical schematics. Its GUI may look rather antiquated, but I highly doubt that such a piece of good productive software "does not take much to make". If it REALLY "does not take much to make" such a program, then go ahead, please, and make one e.g. with a more up-to-date GUI... Quote:
Original by LiveForIt:
- LogicWorks - Not listed and I don't have this program.
In case you're interested in more information about this program: watch "LogicWorks" at work on YouTubeLogicWorks download at AmigaFutureQuote:
Original by LiveForIt:
- ScanQuix5/fxScan (w. pdf maker and OCR) - Not listed and I don't have this program.
In case you're interested in more information about these programs: obviouisly you can still buy "ScanQuix5" hereIOSPIRIT information on "fxSCAN 4.05" on Amiga.orgQuote:
Original by LiveForIt:
- Office 97 - Not listed and I don't have this program.
(Wordworth and TurboCalc works.)
Was an office bundle by SoftWood. It contained "FinalWriter 97" (word processor), "FinalData 2.00" (database) and "FinalCalc 1.04" (spreadsheet software). The problem with word processors on the Amiga for me is that I'm German and obviously need a word processor with a German spell checker. All the spell checkers included in the Amiga word processors I know only support the old German spelling rules. Since July 1, 1996, we have new spelling rules here in Germany. All the spell checkers included in the existing Amiga word processors do not master the new German spelling rules. Here an up-to-date solution would be required. Furthermore, support for mainstream document formats (.doc, .docx) is mandatory. An Amiga database software should be SQL-capable and Amiga spreadsheet software must be able to handle "Excel" formats (open and save). Quote:
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- WipeOut 2097
I got that last working on my AmigaONE-XE, using WarpEMU, I have not yet gotten it working on AmigaONE-X1000.
Sounds promising, but as I frequently said I rarely play games on my Miggy... Quote:
Original by LiveForIt:
- OS 4.0 classic
E-UAE for AmigaOS4.1 don’t have support for emulating a PowerPC CPU.
Well, I mentioned "OS 4.0 classic", "PUP Linux / NetBSD (Amiga Unix Compendium)" and "MorphOS for classics" more in reply to ChrisH's comment Quote:
Original by ChrisH in posting #7:
As far as I recall, PowerUp & WarpUp had almost NO software written for it at all, apart from the occasional "PPC plugin" to speed-up certain slow things (like JPEG decoding or some image processing).
, as those are especially for PowerUp & WarpUp systems... Quote:
Original by LiveForIt:
- MorphOS for classics
Really are you asking for this???
You need MorphOS for AmigaONE-X5000 or AmigaONE-X1000, you run into problems with graphic cards there, currently does support the newest graphic cards.
Nah, I'm not asking for this, I once downloaded it to give it a try on my A4kPPC, only to see that it does not support my given hardware satisfactorily - just like "OS 4.0 classic"...
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Re: Compatibility of (old) PowerUp/WarpUp PPC software with NG hardware?
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Posted on: 2016/11/3 13:46
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@ ChrisH - #7: Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
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I find that an odd idea, as from my perspective OS4 is able to run most non-games OS3 software (without emulation),
That may very well be, but I cannot test (only outdated OS4.0 classic). Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
plus you get the benefit of a large amount of OS4 native software. So I personally feel OS4 has a better software situation than OS3.
Your statement may be valid for some areas of application, but certainly not for the areas I'm interested in. I would have heard of that... - Native 3D CAD software (mechanical engineering) for OS 4.x, like DynaCadd? - Native math and function plotter software for OS 4.x, to be able to do the necessary calculations (like MatAmation, Comgraph and DataPlot) - Native CNC software for that on OS 4.x, to be able to produce the parts I designed with DynaCadd on CNC machines? - Native raytracing software for OS 4.x, that is able to use the 3D models from DynaCadd to generate photorealistic 3D views of the designed parts? - Native animation software for OS 4.x, that is in the same league as Maxon Cinema 4D and enables me to generate photorealistic animations from these photorealistic 3D views, to be able to author "visual collision analysis"? - Native schematics, (auto-)routing and logic analysing software for OS 4.x (like NewIO, A&O, AmiGAL/AmiBURN, ProNET/ProBOARD, Maxon PLP, LogicWorks, ...) to be able to design electronic controls? Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
Maybe you can list the software that you are thinking of, as then that might explain your perspective.
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See above... Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
As far as I recall, PowerUp & WarpUp had almost NO software written for it at all, apart from the occasional "PPC plugin" to speed-up certain slow things (like JPEG decoding or some image processing).
Wildfire7 PPC? ArtEffect 4 (various plugins)? WipeOut 2097? Fusion? PCx? Amiga Unix Compendium (Linux/NetBSD)?
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Re: Compatibility of (old) PowerUp/WarpUp PPC software with NG hardware?
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Posted on: 2016/11/3 12:49
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@ ChrisH - #6: Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
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you do raise a (rather inflamatory!) question
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That's why I wrote in the other reply: "I don't think I'm "hardcore" enough..." Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
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I went from A1200+PPC (which became too unstable) to Amithlon
Yeah - my A4kPPC is also aging and by that becoming unstable. Reason being the plug connection between CSPPC and the A4k mobo. They had always been the weak point in my system and I had to clean it's contacts once or twice a year with commercially available contact spray, but I'm afraid now the contacts in the plug connection are so worn out that this hardly helps anymore. Most likely I will have to repllace both parts of the plug connection, if I can get hold of the spare parts somewhere... Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
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WinUAE (which worked fine but the OS3 software got less & less usable)
??? I don't fully understand this - my OS3 soft still works as well as it did on day 1 (e.g. DynaCadd, Maxon Cinema 4D, ...). Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
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to finally AmigaOS4 (...). I haven't looked back
Well, OS 4.x looks more modern - no doubt about that. But I don't use an OS for its own sake. I need the OS to provide all necessary functions of my hardware to the software I use in the best possible way. And here the probs begin. On the one hand there still are no OS4.x-native equivalents to the software I use on my classic Amiga and on the other hand OS 4.0 classic does not support my given hardare optimally (e.g. it supports just USB 1.1, just 10 mBit NIC, and just has limited support for my Mediator PCI busboard). That's why I never upgraded to OS 4.1 FE until now. On top comes that my health is decreasing, while the costs for it are increasing. I had to invest the money I had saved for the A1X1k into my health. And this is still going on - there are still some surgeries to come and while I'm on sick leave I will just get roughly 60% of my normal earnings. In short: significantly less money disposable for significantly higher costs... And I have to admit that my health is more important to me than being an AOS fanboy ... please excuse my selfishness - I have to set priorities. That's why I'm now wondering if it would not be best for me (read: the most economical way for me) to use my given heap of AOS 3.x/WarpOS software under emulation on real fast given PC hardware, instead of having to spend a fortune on new AmigaNG hardware, that is much less powerful than my given PC hardware (despite all the desire I have for A1-X1k/X5k - I would really love to play with the XENA/XORRO thingie). Would I move to AmigaNG, I would have to buy new hardware. If I could afford it currently, I would like to have an quadcore A1X5k, but even then I could not be sure to be able to run all my given OS 3.x/WarpOS software on it. Furthermore, it is not very likely that OS4.x-native versions of 'my' classic productive software will be released within the rest of my remaining lifespan - and even if so, they would not be for free. Would I move to the PC entirely, I would have to buy expensive PC productivity software to replace my given Amiga productivity software with it. So the best (read: most economic) solution to my probs seems to be to get the latest AmigaForever, install it on my given quadcore 64Bit core i5 hardware and use my given OS3.x/WarpOS productivity software on that, wouldn't you agree? Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
OS3.x just feels so outdated
That may be, but it supports my given hardware better than OS 4.0 classic does and furthermore has significantly more productive software that I'm interested in than OS 4.x. Or - the other way round - would you try to run Win10 on old 80386 hardware, just because Win10 feels so much more up-to-date than Win3.1? Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
and some important software (e.g. web browser, video player) is just too outdated to be usable.
Well, IBrowse 2.4 is still usable enough to browse all Amiga pages I use to visit. And some other pages look 'ugly' (like Google or pulic transport schedule here in Germany), but work. But you are of course perfectly right - a decent OS3.x-browser would be more than welcome and a decent video player for the latest formats as well (although I'm not bound to the Amiga with regard to watching videos). Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
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By comparison, OS4.1 is just such a nicer experience (inc lots of little touches), ...
This is the part I can believe, ... Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
...and there tends to be more & better software available than what OS3 has.
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...while that's the part I don't believe. Not the software I need and not within my remaining life span (I'm 59.5 now)... Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
OS4 is basically just an upgraded OS3, so it feels strange to me to ask why you would NOT want to the newer version of the OS!
I did not say I would not 'want' the newer version of the OS - just that it doesn't seem to make sense to me, as it neither does support my given hardware satisfactorily, nor does it have the software available natively that I need. Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
It would be rather like asking if you should run Windows XP instead of Windows 7
Hehe - I would really like to run WinXP (if it would still be supported) instead of Win7/10. I always used the "classic compatibility look" (skin?) that I was used from Win95/98SE. This has been dropped in Win10 - at least I didn't find it up to now. One of the things I hate about Win is that M$ tries to "re-invent the wheel" with every new version. Nothing works the way you are used anymore. If you e.g. look for a certain setting you will find it was moved over to the 'other end of Windows', if it is even still there at all. Best example in this regard is the commercial virus checker I have. In the XP version it offered the functionality to check drive x or USB stick y. Now, in the Win10 version, this feature is no longer part of my virus checker - no, it has been moved to the context menu of Windows Explorer! Stupid me - I should have known that I have to go to a bakehouse, when I want to buy a pair of shoes - and not to the shoe shop! Arrrgghhh!!! Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
I think there are also other benefits to having an Amiga OS running on real hardware
* No need to wait for Windows to boot before you can start booting your Amiga!
These 30 seconds are easily compensated by the speed advantage of the emulation over the speed on real Amiga hardware. Quote:
Original by ChrisH:
* Subjectively feels smoother & more responsive, and no chance of Windows causing intermittent lag or stutter.
Haven't experienced that when I ran Amiga software on an emulated A4000 with OS3.9 in AmigaForever on my XP-PC.
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Re: Compatibility of (old) PowerUp/WarpUp PPC software with NG hardware?
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Posted on: 2016/11/3 9:38
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@ LiveForIt - #2: Quote:
Original by LiveForIt:
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It's hardly a move too, it's pretty much the same thing.
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I'm not sure if I fully understand what you mean here. "NG hardware and OS" is the same as "classic hardware and OS"? Quote:
Original by LiveForIt:
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A lot of productivity 680x0 software work, but there is a lot don't that work too; It's really depends on how modern the software is, software designed for AHI and RTG (Picasso96/CyberGraphics) should work. AGA / OCS / PAULA stuff will need emulation we have RunInUAE for that.
Do you have any specific software you like to run?
Oh yes - quite a lot. Some examples are (68k & PUP/WarpUp): - DynaCadd - Maxon CAD - Maxon Cinema4D - Maxon PLP v2 - CNC Tool - Reflections - MoonZoom Pro - Imagine - Real3D - Wildfire7 PPC - Elastic-/FantasticDreams - ArtEffect 4 - MathAmation - Comgraph (function plotter) - NewIO - LogicWorks - ScanQuix5/fxScan (w. pdf maker and OCR) - TurboPrint 7 - Office 97 - MorphOS for classics - OS 4.0 classic - PUP Linux / NetBSD (Amiga Unix Compendium) - WipeOut 2097 - ... ...just to name a few. Quote:
Original by LiveForIt:
Well no, you don't need UAE to run 680x0 software, AmigaOS4.x has Petunia, and WarpOS programs happily run on ReWarp (I think), and so on.
??? Errrm - didn't you just write: "A lot of productivity 680x0 software work, ... AGA / OCS / PAULA stuff will need emulation we have RunInUAE for that."? Quote:
Original by LiveForIt:
But really what WarpOS software is that Important anyway?
In the list above there are some included that are exclusively for PUP/WarpOS, some that have PPC modules, as well as some that are 68k only... Quote:
Original by LiveForIt:
I'm sure there many times more AmigaOS4 software then there is WarpOS software.
That may probably be correct, but but I'm afraid there is not a single piece of native OS4.x software that is in the same street as one of the titles included in the list above - especially when it comes to engineering software like DynaCadd, MathAmation, NewIO and the like... Quote:
Original by LiveForIt:
No because, emulations have so many limitations on RAM, on speed, and on support for modern hardware, this are too big drawbacks, if you’re a real hardcore AmigaOS fan.
??? I mean - it is some years ago when I started my outdated AmigaForever 2006 on my now defunct XP-PCs the last time - but as far as I recall, I could set up AmigaForever to have more RAM than any of the REAL Amigas ever had... And a lot of things already worked faster with AmigaForever on my old 1.8 gHz PIII XP-PC than on a real Amiga - I bet today on my 64 Bit 3.2 gHz quadcore core i5 Win10-PC with the latest AmigaForever version they wouls fly... B.t.w. - what's a "real hardcore AmigaOS fan" today? I doubt to be "hardcore" enough to be counted among them...
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Re: Compatibility of (old) PowerUp/WarpUp PPC software with NG hardware?
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Posted on: 2016/11/3 7:55
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@mufa
Sounds interesting. Thanks for the links!
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Re: Compatibility of (old) PowerUp/WarpUp PPC software with NG hardware?
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Posted on: 2016/11/3 7:53
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@ Severin - #2: Quote:
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Good news is that the 68k versions will work fine and far faster than on your A4000
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"Far faster" than what? Faster than the PUP/WarpUp version? And what if there is no 69k verion of the software? (Wildfire7 PPC and WipeOut 2097 spring to my mind...)
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