I asked my friend...

Initially he seems too shy / unsure to commit. But he is very, very interested. I talk to him more later.

Is there a "AOS4 developer edition" -kind of CD that could be used to install a sam to a full developer environment with a few clicks?

For example I do not currently have time to set up my system properly, but if such superb easy kit was available, I could re-install my system and get coding & loan my system to the interested party, before one commits more.

(I might be interested in "buffering" one developer sam (+every other flavour) by myself by my own ???, to help to kick start new developers. Ofcourse AOS4 crosscompiler and emulated test environment for icAROS could make things simpler and cheaper????)


UPDATE: it is possible that I have more time around the end of the year & then we look at it together, I'm leaving my current job and sorting some time consuming other stuff....

I should talk about this to one of my friends who is currently out of job and studying to be a game development professional. He's very capable person and recently he finished JAVA studies, so if he has time he might be interested to help.
(I think I could arrange him AROS box, loand him MosMini and my SAM, if needed. And since he is tight on money, this might enable him to gain a NG Amiga System)
(He's also an ex Amigan that has still Amiga in his heart, but no money for pricey hobby, since his job went to china. He sold his expanded ClassicAmiga box some years ago, now he "only" has some AMithlon CD to play with.)

Lets see....


UPDATE: I forwarded him the available information...

@TrevorDick

Any new news coming to our way?

@djrikki


How about my small comment for downloads section:

"For the largest selection of applications and games for AmigaOS, took a look on OS 4 Depot"

->

"For the largest selection of applications and games for AmigaOS4, take a look at OS 4 Depot.
And for Amiga like OSs in general, take a look at aminet.net"


Also, perhaps there should/could be also a page of SW compatibility. (take a look @ the list of Blitterwolf)


(same as post #64)

"For the largest selection of applications and games for AmigaOS, took a look on OS 4 Depot"

->

"For the largest selection of applications and games for AmigaOS4, take a look at OS 4 Depot.
And for Amiga like OSs in general, take a look at aminet.net"


Also, perhaps there should/could be also a page of SW compatibility. (take a look @ the list of Blitterwolf)

IMHO: the half year delay of x1000 release should give Hyperion more time to prepare something for ASMP & 64bit. I hope they manage to deliver something when x1000 is in shops, perhaps AOS4.1 stabile + AOS4.2 alpha in multiboot setup.

I wonder how much cheaper the board could be if it was simpler.

- Less USB ports to the back of the case. (perhaps some extra headers around SB600)
- no PCI slots
- no CF slot
- 1+1 DDR2 slots (instead of 2+2)
- Only one PCIe x16 slot + one x1..x8 slot + the x1+xorro slot
- no RS232 port (perhaps one header on board)

I imagine there would be less testing after every broduced board -> cheaper board.

All NG PowerPC Amigas are powerfull enough for a lot of good 3D games, especially if there's good settings to reduce 3D details.

(for example every xbox1 game should run ok on almost every PPC Amiga http://games.teamxbox.com/index/general/by-genre/10/ Lack of power is not the problem. Lack of money is.)

Games like Need for speed series and coling mac rae rally have a lot of versions that ran very well even on a 600Mhz Duron & Voodoo3.

I would buy even F! GP2 fr AMiga if it came available, even though it's very old (but it has very good physics simulation)


Update ... years ago I had fun with playing Porche Unleached: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia ... NFS_Porsche_Unleashed.jpg

(IMHO: nice enough graphics to distract one from driving at some times)

Also... our niche has very limited variation of supported NGPPC HW, it will make optimizing simpler than on the x86.

@trixie

Yes.
Chasing win viruses (that try to push themself to HDD etc.) might be good practice while Amiga viruses are in sleep.

http://www.vht-dk.dk/vhtdk/amiga/download.htm

In the meanwhile every home should have F-prot running in linux.
http://www.f-prot.com/products/home_use/linux/
(detects 1754842 viruses)

@Hans

I loose the media popup window when I click reload. (the window disappears and menu reverts back to right)

After I reopen the menu & open media section, only old pictures are visible.

hmmm.... I try to clear cache and then retry.

Ok.

Reload does not help.

But after I deleted all history entries and cache, the media section loaded correctly.

I do not like fancy web pages that do not work on some usual browsers.

With Firefox 3.6.3 it's not possible to see those new photos on the media gategory. Only some old ones. (same happens with Opera on Ubuntu)

Neither does the web site direct Firefox to here: http://www.a-eon.com/oldbrowser.html even though it perhaps should.

When I use IE6 it is redirected to http://www.a-eon.com/oldbrowser.html and I was able to see those new photos.

UPDATE: is the webmaster the same as @ www.varisys.co.uk I have similar diffifulties with those pages, especially with Opera.


Other than that: nice to have some new things to look at.

So why is the AMD/ATI SB600 not officially announced yet?
It's sitting on the board and visible in every board picture, after all.

@Hans

I agree that we need professional quality (virusfree) developer site.

Other than that, is the infection harmfull to windows only?

(IMHO, it would be nice if Amiga viruskillers could be set to notice also windows viruses, if user so desires.)

Offtopic, perhaps, but...

Again @ work I faced situation where Firefox does not work on intranet pages. So, one might need also some x86 virtual box to run IE for some work tasks.

@trixie

I have preferred the dopus4 way of handling files. The main feature that I would like to see more in it is tabs.

Windows explorer, linux, OSX way of file handling sucks bigtime.

Time will tell if filer manages to please me (I did not like Dopus5 way of handling things either, to me it was for example unclear to where the copy is going to end up etc. Dopus4 way limit mistakes and is very SIMPLE).

@billt

For laptop use I would be happy if there was a AOS4 version that runs in some PPC JIT emulation on x86, hosted on AROS or puppylinux on some laptop.

I imagine something like PPC700Mhz speeds should be possible on modern high end laptops.

Other than that...
SAM460 might be bossible to build into a laptop case, too bad it does not have 3D acceleration on board. And that no one seems to be manufacturing empty laptop cases/DIY kits for us geeks. :-|

@kas1e

On Amiga one could configure F11 to cause function like "emergency save" + poweroff, F12 to cause "emergency save" + reboot, shift+F11 to just "emergency save" just in case my helloworld divides by zero, shift+F12 to just finish disk I/O + SW shutdown in 0,5 seconds.

Ofcourse one should be able to set what happens when one "ticks" on power button... ... ... ... perhaps that should not function at all if my 4 year old is in the room ... .. ... job to xena to handle sensors that detect my kid's precense in the room and then temporarily disables the power button ... ... ... and send SMS to me.... .. ... ... .

@ChrisH

I think "my" quick save is exactly the same as "emergency save".

@Hans

"IMHO, the OS just needs to track which applications were open, and provide an API that makes it easy for applications to detect whether it crashed last time, and load/save state data. The OS would reopen the applications, and it's the application programmer's task to make sure that the application restores its own state."

Yes, that's pretty much the idea.
But I'm pretty sure that almost every Amigan want it to be totally configurable.
IMO, The OS is (and applications exist) to serve the user.

@Chrish

"It would be a bonus (and perhaps easily implemented) to save the state at frequent intervals."

Would it be harmfull if user could set the OS to time all apps (or some apps) to save automatically their state & draft/snapshot of data, instead of configuring timer for every application separately?

(if some app does not support emergency save/ quick save, then the OS could report to some log of that kind of sh*tty application that does not reply to the request. Surely pretty soon apps would start to improve.)


There are times when I would like to reboot the OS and have it automatically load back to the same situation with all apps, where it was before. On Linux I sometimes do it to change kernel "on the fly". On AOS4.1 I might want to change between debug kernel and normal kernel "on the fly".



....
To me all this sounds like a killer feature to an OS, but perhaps it's just me.... some people even insist that any R&D on OSs is futile work. And that we should just copy windows and not to try to invent new things. 8-o

@Helgis

And it seems that IBM agrees with you that PPC will enter back to dekstop.
(kind of, re: "high-performance computers")

@476FP

That SoC is one of the many powerfull PPC additions that seems to be coming to market in 2010-2011.

But PowerPC 476FP is not as powerfull as PA6T, even though the advertising is interesting:
"The PowerPC 476FP core offers an ideal solution for a range of applications from digital TVs to highly parallel, high-performance computers. "

(476 seems to lack things like VMX unit, 64bit addressing, support for PCIe x16 and it has smaller L1 caches, etc.... so DDR3 is not enough to beat DDR2 capable PA6T in real world desktop applications)


****a bit offtopic****
To me, everything still indicates that nemo is a very powerfull PA6T powered board. (latest is that the PCB picture show matching I/O with PA6T, just MHO)

@Snuffy

If you use Hollywood you target on many platforms (including the mainstream)!