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Re: Serious AmigaOS future discussion
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Posted on: 2010/6/29 15:56
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@DaveP
Since your discussion seems to be mostly focussed on some basics, I nominate "printing".
I trust I won't have to expound on that one word, and how every day use comes into play on that topic.
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Re: Are you a MICROA1 Owner? (Calling A1SE Owners!)
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Posted on: 2010/6/29 3:11
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@Mikey_C I don't know if you saw this post from AW in 2007, so forgive me repeating it, if you are already aware: Quote: I have a riser design here, but it's for a riser with 2xPCI and 1xPCIe, so it has two bridges on it. Since this is primarily for the ?A1 I kinda put it on hold until the ?A1 can handle bridge chips (which it doesn't at the moment).
No point in making a product with no potential market...
Of course, I could whip out the oldest PCI->PCIe version of the layout and finish that. But again, is there a market? The chips cost me 20 USD, add another 20 for the PCB and 20 for the mounting and you're looking at something that (imho) 99.99% of AW.net's users will just ignore anyway... I was wondering then, are we talking about some augmentation of Olegil's designs and experiments? Also, when Hyperion is responsible for an inquiry like the one you are making, readers will see that as more "official". This results in more motivation for the user to respond. By indicating this is a privately sponsored initiative, it communicates something less tangible. If Hyperion either "can" or "will" not get behind the effort directly, is there something keeping them from at least posting to encourage your effort? #6
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Re: The whole (new) story ... in a nutshell
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Posted on: 2010/3/5 22:45
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@Raziel Quote: I thought it was already the final revision Not even close. Major revision released V2.1.2. Document apparently restructured and tightened up a bit. New section 1.2 definitely worth a read. #6
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Re: The whole (new) story ... in a nutshell
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Posted on: 2010/2/16 16:05
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@Raziel Quote: I think it's a good read and at least i found some new details i didn't know I requires rereading at least once a day apparently to keep up with the latest entries. It is constantly being added to, updated, edited. Version# at top of page, but prolly needs a changelog. #6
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Re: Sam440ep (not Flex) is out of production
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Posted on: 2010/1/26 23:45
#125
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@ssolie Confirmed by posted email from Enrico. Also confirmed by Acube. post #28#6
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Re: Turboprint & Workbench printing lock-up.
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Posted on: 2010/1/23 2:28
#126
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@Swoop Quote: I was trying to find Detlefs posts on the mailing list, but I couldn't find them.
I seem to remember that he was going to (or did) implement a tweek to allow Turboprint and printer devices to play together nicely. I think this thread probably covers most of what you remember: OS4 Final "stole" printing away from me! ;) SOLVED!!!Correct me if I'm wrong though. My reading says his answer relates to parallel printers, based on the date and content. #6
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Re: Turboprint & Workbench printing lock-up.
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Posted on: 2010/1/23 0:47
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@busytech Quote: If I print using a basic HP driver and not starting Turboprint, then NotePad prints fine. As I expected. Quote: I then start TurboPrint, try to print the same thing from NotePad that is still open, and I get the lock up. Ok. I meant as a 2nd step to just start TurboPrint, and print something. You instead started TurboPrint WITHOUT printing anything and instead went to make a print attempt with Notepad. What I'm trying to do is compare your result with what tetisoft wrote in 2007. Quote: Oh well... So it not only installs an 68k V39 "printer.device" into memory
out of thin air, but also a "parallel.device"? Why cant it avoid patching
everything and simply install its drivers into PRINTERS:? It would seem that you can use Notepad for printing UNTIL you start turboprint, if this information is still current. #6
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Re: Turboprint & Workbench printing lock-up.
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Posted on: 2010/1/21 22:56
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@Swoop
What happens if you don't start Turboprint from wbstartup or the new prefs method?
Can you print with Notepad without issues?
If you can, then start Graphics Publisher (Turboprint). Can you now print with Turboprint?
This is essentially the reverse order of what I see you trying to do. I'm just curious as to the result.
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Re: Its over! Hyperion won!
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Posted on: 2009/10/18 18:14
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@DaveP Quote: 1. Does Amino, itec Amiga Inc and all the merry band of keen litigators now have shares in Hyperion? Has Hyperion even mentioned stock? Or do you refer to an "interest in Hyperion" with that comment? Quote: 2. Now Amiga Inc etc doesn't have to pay lawyers are they going to actualise the stock options of the Amiga Anywhere development team members? I wouldn't mind seeing our Davy getting paid, or Bolton either for that matter. But if Inception Real Estate is 1st in line for their debts, what are the chances? Quote: 3. Now Hyperion has the rights (exclusively ?!?) to AmigaOS3.1 are they going to play nice with Cloanto, and are they going to suddenly get all musclebound over those that might have infringed on the copyright and IP? As I've posted several times from @AmigaPhil: Quote: Yes. The Boing Ball logo is one of the things that Amiga Inc. (Delaware) has deposed to the USPTO.
For the story, the status of this trademark is somehow "on hold", as it has been opposed by Hyperion (but both Amiga Inc. and Hyperion VOF are in negociation about this now for the upcoming months).
I think you won't be sued right now, but you could be later (Amiga Inc. has opposed the "Amiga Forever" trademark deposed by Cloanto. They are also in negociation.) This would seem to indicate there is more going on here than meets the eye, no? #6
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Re: Its over! Hyperion won!
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Posted on: 2009/10/18 16:30
#131
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@Outcast
so...
could news like this perhaps revive 3cag?
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Re: Update of the comparative between AmigaOS 4.1 and MorphOS 2.3
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Posted on: 2009/10/13 1:46
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@ChrisH Quote: No need to worry, you couldn't buy new hardware for MorphOS, even if you wanted to! Apparently now he can, but I have no idea how easy these are to come by. 12.10.2009 - MorphOS 2.4 - Premier Release with Mac mini Support #6
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Re: Genuine Tips or Insight for AmigaOS
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Posted on: 2009/7/16 1:28
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@RacerX Quote: MPlayer: To save a screenshot with the latest version of MPlayer, just hit "s" (without the quotes of course) while the video is playing. The screen grab will be saved to RAM: I thought default save was to progdir. Anyway..to save exact "clear" frame, you can: (1)view video (2)when you see the approximate point you want, use "left arrow" to go back a bit (3)press spacebar to "pause" (4)advance frame-by-frame with "period" (5)then grab exact frame with "s", since you have a bit more control this way and might well grab an unclear frame just by pressing "s" while the video is moving. I just wish MPlayer -stayed- in pause mode after using "s" to grab. It should only revert to play mode by pressing "space" again really. If it stayed in pause mode you could continue paging with "period" key, which is very useful. #6
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Re: An open discussion on where we go from here
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Posted on: 2009/6/29 23:40
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@Mark Quote: But the real point is, that virtualisation really does lower the barriers to entry for trying out OS4.1 (particularily if said virtualisation was running on x86), With OS4 running under such a technology you can pick up some of the winUAE crowtd, plus bring the price down enough for people to "try" it. At that point you get the extra bodies needed. No argument. That's the point of the 4 examples I cited above. btw, both the stb and pda were a reality, so I feel they are valid examples. I gather, though, I did a poor job explaining this in terms of "catch22". For those unfamiliar with the phrase, I hope this simplification is easier to understand: You may need new talent to create these products, but you may need these products to acquire -that- new talent. Better? #6
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Re: An open discussion on where we go from here
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Posted on: 2009/6/29 17:42
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@DaveP
We all understand that VM, stb, PDA, laptop ideas all had the added plus of having the OS (either OS4 or the common API) become more instantly visible in a larger world than this community.
After all, people take their laptops and devices everywhere they go these days, compared to the days of the desktop confined inside one's home.
People are curious by nature, so you'll be asked "what IS that?". Ergo, you've done some rather costless marketing just by carrying any of the portables around, no?
I think it is also understood that the current incarnation of the OS is not quite ready to make its first impression in such a bold way.
If you accept my premise, then you have to define the elements necessary to make this a reality.
More manpower would be welcome, but one of the key ways to draw more manpower is through the exposure I just listed above. Do you see the "catch 22" here?
You could even consider this a strong argument for keeping things within a smaller, more understanding community until there is more confidence in the product.
If you accept THAT premise, then your avenue of improvement gets reduced to managing your current resources in a better way. It has been stated in this very thread that Hyperion does not need to be tied down in day-to-day operations. And let's be honest, they have a lot on their plate to deal with.
In short, I think organization was, is, and always shall be key in any solutions here. If you're still following me, then I have to ask whether it's even possible for Hyperion to involve others outside of the inner circle, given their current situation and the necessary secrecy that seems to entail?
I realize this may be disturbing question. But if we face the facts that resources (mostly human) are dwindling, I think it's imperative to understand whether the option is even present to draw more people in to assist.
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Re: An open discussion on where we go from here
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Posted on: 2009/6/28 20:11
#138
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@xenic I sense your post is more about your frustration with your OS4.x computing experience thus far on 2 distinctly different pieces of hardware. Before you connect that with the idea that Dave is being too ambitious with his thinking, please remember. The target for OS4.x is not for desktop computing. Don't forget the constantly presented thought that OS4.x has to get outside of the community with product to gain a safer financial grounding. Quote: Hyperion has repeatedly stated that our goal is to place OS 4 in the embedded market, namely for STB's, kiosk systems, point-of-sales and so on. In addition, the connection to "desktop" has been expressed as more of an emotional tie, than a practical one. It's also been expressed as a "gift" to the community. Not to mention that those thoughts were expressed years ago, when desktop itself had more relevance than today. If you think back a bit, you'll recall the AHT stb and the PDA (mystery device). If either had come to light, then support would not have had the same issues as you just expressed for desktop. Income from such devices could have funded more of what I think you hoped to see...a stronger desktop to satisfy both community desire and future development. Either way, though, it is secondary to Hyperion's stated goals. Perhaps we hate to admit such things because Amiga Inc. ALSO talked about having to go "outside" the community to succeed. #6
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Re: An open discussion on where we go from here
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Posted on: 2009/6/28 17:41
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@DaveP You've expressed a great many individual discussion points here. Whereas we can already see in this thread a honing in on some specifics regarding UI, I think the important part is that we're having this general discussion in the first place. The willingness for this conversation to expand and draw more individual's thoughts into the mix, is somewhat "key" to me, rather than any specifics. The hardest thing to do, and often the solution to many problems is changing how people think. Since UI has been touched on, I'll use that for an example and use ShinkurO's quote: Quote: You can't see any kind of cooperation from each side, each OS dev group is interested to its OS only. The first inclination of anyone who's worked with something so long is to defend it. Hence, that "defense" is used as the principal argument for never changing. To get passed such thinking, one has to examine the work itself, be more critical in analysis, and ask themselves what "parts" of that work would fit into a better model. At that point, you are thinking co-operatively, which is the only way any of what you mentioned in your post will succeed. Co-operation feeds on itself in a positive way, much like defense does..in the other direction. #6
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Re: Troica, Athena project
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Posted on: 2009/6/27 15:57
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@mailman Quote: Are there any people out there who think that it was not a hoax? I'm not sure what you're specifically referring to here. Troika? The "Athena" project specifically? #6
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