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Software News : [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
Posted by Mikey_C on 2011/10/23 12:40:07 (3643 reads) News by the same author
Software News

We are pleased to unveil this exclusive video of Timberwolf 4.0 in action on an AmigaOne X1000 For the Amiga OS4 Community.

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With thanks to Thomas and Hans-Joerg Frieden

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Mikey_C
Published: 2011/10/23 12:42  Updated: 2011/10/23 12:53
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
How cool is that?

What an Amazing weekend for us AmigaOS4 users


BTW Please feel free to post this information elsewhere, just give us a mention back please?
- Thank you.

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Antique
Published: 2011/10/23 12:49  Updated: 2011/10/23 12:49
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
Looking good. Will be nice to try this on the X1000 when it comes out.

Great work friedens. Much happening in amigaland these days.
Kicko
Published: 2011/10/23 13:05  Updated: 2011/10/23 13:06
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
Please do a better and stable recording where you see more of the screen and better focus. Its not worth showing it like this, specially if you want to show it to non amigaos users :)

I think there is a software called "srec" that can make videograbs so you get the real thing :)
Rogue
Published: 2011/10/23 13:10  Updated: 2011/10/23 13:10
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
The video was not intended to be for non-amigaos users. The question came up whether Timberwolf is usable, and whether it still has rendering bugs. We made this video to illustrate the answer.

YouTube can actually stabilize a movie by itself, but we deliberately chose not to, because we know that people would claim "It's altered" or something like that.

Take this for what it is - a quick preview of Timberwolf running on the X1000. Nothing more, nothing less.
Mikey_C
Published: 2011/10/23 13:11  Updated: 2011/10/23 13:11
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
@Rogue

Noted!
kas1e
Published: 2011/10/23 13:17  Updated: 2011/10/23 13:17
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@Rogue
Through, should to say that for while its on x1000, i sometime notice some slowdowns (or its just video?). I.e. scrolling on the video all the time not fast, like there is some reassons to not scroll it fast.

Also i notice that opening of images on amigaos.net cause a small slow-down as well.

Anyway, its all can be and because of video, and because of anything else. Time for fresh beta :)
Kicko
Published: 2011/10/23 13:41  Updated: 2011/10/23 13:41
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@Rogue

Noted, thanks :)
DAX
Published: 2011/10/23 14:05  Updated: 2011/10/23 14:05
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
Cool! :)

@kas1e
as said elsewhere (AmigaBounty page), the browser still lacks hardware acceleration.
They are aiming at compatibility first, I'm sure it'll get faster in the future.
Rogue
Published: 2011/10/23 14:32  Updated: 2011/10/23 14:32
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Quote:
I.e. scrolling on the video all the time not fast, like there is some reassons to not scroll it fast.


It is about the same speed as on Windows. I believe the hiccups are because the browser starts to layout before it actually has everything loaded, i.e. the images are not decoded yet so when you scroll there there's a short pause when they get decoded and displayed.

Also, notice there is no hardware acceleration involved whatsoever. Scrolling means the entire screen is redrawn.

I don't quite remember how it came out on the video, but when I use it here and compare it to my 3 Ghz quad core Windows machine, the animation on www.amigaos.net seems to be as smooth on the X1000 as it is on Windows.

As you can also see, there are some problems. You notice that at one point, there is a row of thumbnails extending into the lower part of the page. There sometimes is a final refresh missing after the pages has fully loaded, which I believe is also the reason that the popups don't always show. It only occurs in non-debug builds though, debug builds work but of course are way slower than this.

There's also a slight issue with disk caching still. Overall, the progress is good, but not ready for release yet.
djrikki
Published: 2011/10/23 15:01  Updated: 2011/10/23 15:01
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
Awesome, truly awesome. Looks so smooth. Great to see next release, it looks highly usable now.
Cool_amigaN
Published: 2011/10/23 16:01  Updated: 2011/10/23 16:01
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
Don't want to sound rude or anything, but it is sluggish. It's almost identical (rendering/scrolling) with MUIOWB on my SamEp440/OS4.1.3 (from which I type now from). For sure it can't be that sluggish on a QuadCore since I tested it on a Core2Duo and it's a lot better.
Published: 2011/10/23 19:38  Updated: 2011/10/23 19:38
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Thanks. Makes us know "not so nice browsing" is history on AmigaOS. And will be essential for the nettops success, too!

Deserve every dollar of the bounty that has not been taken for years!
tfrieden
Published: 2011/10/23 19:57  Updated: 2011/10/23 19:57
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
Quote:
Don't want to sound rude or anything, but it is sluggish. It's almost identical (rendering/scrolling) with MUIOWB on my SamEp440/OS4.1.3 (from which I type now from). For sure it can't be that sluggish on a QuadCore since I tested it on a Core2Duo and it's a lot better.


What quad core ? It's running on one core.

And as I said several times now, it's not hardware accelerated at all, it's simply redrawing the window with everything that moves. OWB uses some hardware acceleration (like, for scrolling and such), that's why it's seemingly "faster".

If you tested it on a Core2Duo, you probably tested the Windows or Linux version. Both are using hardware acceleration (DirectX and OpenGL respectively), so you can not compare them.
Published: 2011/10/23 21:19  Updated: 2011/10/23 21:19
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Name is missleading, its actualy Timberwolf 1.0 (Beta?) a port of Firefox 4.0

P.S.
Hope AmigaOS will get some hardware accel. too, Radeon / PowerVR or even old Voodo chips can add some speed, especialy in cases when CPU is not that fast (603/604/AMCC CPUs/maybe that e300) but step by step ...
tfrieden
Published: 2011/10/23 22:46  Updated: 2011/10/23 22:46
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
We decided to stick with the Firefox versioning. After all, it's easier to stay in sync should we ever decide to go beyond 4.0
imagodespira
Published: 2011/10/24 6:39  Updated: 2011/10/24 6:39
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
@Cool_AmigaN:

Quote:
Don't want to sound rude or anything, but it is sluggish. It's almost identical (rendering/scrolling) with MUIOWB on my SamEp440/OS4.1.3 (from which I type now from). For sure it can't be that sluggish on a QuadCore since I tested it on a Core2Duo and it's a lot better.


Timberwolf feels much smoother in this video than any owb on our SamFlex733, the animation in amigaos website looks great here (like on my pc), on our sam it looks like much frame drops. I am looking forward for hardware acceleration, for me one of the killer features in a browser on amiga.

@VOX:
Quote:
Hope AmigaOS will get some hardware accel. too, Radeon / PowerVR or even old Voodo chips can add some speed, especialy in cases when CPU is not that fast (603/604/AMCC CPUs/maybe that e300) but step by step ...


AmigaOS has hardware acceleration for workbench since OS 4.1 on Radeon Cards. For many people the compositing engine is just eye candy, for windows shadows and transparency, but this boosts the workbench experience in many ways, hope the Netbook will have this (any hint from tfrieden ;)? )

Our games on amiboing.de all works with the hardware acceleration which included since OS4.1, we can play "Swamp Defense" on AmigaOne with 1080p and 60-80 FPS (tests with classic+radeon = 25-40 fps on 1024x768), all optimization and and using standard system functions (thanks to the friedens!!!!!).

So if i look at timberwolf video where it runs much smoother than owb on our sam at this time, i am dreaming of it with full acceleration, thats the key for AmigaOS... (and for a "slow" netbook i hope ;) )

www.amiboing.de

Swamp Defense Video 1080p

Hondo
Published: 2011/10/24 6:45  Updated: 2011/10/24 6:45
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
BROTHER POWER!! - YOU GUYS ROCK DA FREAKIN BOAT IN DA FREAKIN´ AMIGA UNIVERSE.

Dont ever feel pushed by anyone...just take your time to get it right.
Published: 2011/10/24 7:55  Updated: 2011/10/24 7:56
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We decided to stick with the Firefox versioning. After all, it's easier to stay in sync should we ever decide to go beyond 4.0

OK, if this means post 4.0 development, who can be against it?
tfrieden
Published: 2011/10/24 10:41  Updated: 2011/10/24 10:41
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OK, if this means post 4.0 development, who can be against it?


I'm not saying there will be post 4.0 development. This depends on a lot of factors, time being one, as well as motivation, and most of all, the way the 4.0 version is received.. we'll see how it develops. There are a few interesting developments in the post 4.0 era that would be interesting.
ChrisH
Published: 2011/10/24 18:20  Updated: 2011/10/24 18:20
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@tfrieden Quote:
most of all, the way the 4.0 version is received

I hope you will ignore the usual moaners (who seemingly only know how to moan, and typically don't even own any OS4 machine). I might even say: Just ignore AW.net full-stop.

For myself, I expect to switch to Timberwolf, once the first stable/complete version is released. I should be able to import my (huge amount of) bookmarks from Windows FF. FF makes booking (and searching bookmarks) so simple, it's the only way to go...
Spirantho
Published: 2011/10/24 19:23  Updated: 2011/10/24 19:23
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
AW.net is positively OS4-fanatic compared to A.org. The amount of people there who just don't get it (usually because they don't want to) is incredible.
Then again, I'm sure by now the Hyperion chaps know how to ignore the mouthy trolls....

Personally I'm looking forward to running Timberwolf on my AmigaOS 4 netbook. And my Sam. And my A1. And even my A4000 if I'm lucky. And if my business does well, my X1000 (we can dream :) ).

Let the good times roll! :)
Thematic
Published: 2011/10/24 23:36  Updated: 2011/10/24 23:36
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
Nice to see this, even better to see a lot more of it up close.
retro
Published: 2011/10/25 0:55  Updated: 2011/10/25 0:55
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
next time you make a short movie can you take a shot at the "still alive" video on youtube...
the "youtube work factor" is a stone of my heart..

but nice to see a new beta.. its very responsive but then agen its running on a pa semi cpu. i am locking forward to hw acc
Fab
Published: 2011/10/25 10:13  Updated: 2011/10/25 10:14
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
@imagodespira

Quote:

Timberwolf feels much smoother in this video than any owb on our SamFlex733, the animation in amigaos website looks great here (like on my pc), on our sam it looks like much frame drops. I am looking forward for hardware acceleration, for me one of the killer features in a browser on amiga.


And how much sense does your comparison make?
Surprise surprise, an X1000 is faster than a SAM, and surprisingly, TW on X1000 is faster than OWB on SAM. The contrary would be really worrying.

If you want to see a video of OWB on some more powerful machine (but not as fast as a PA6T thingy though), have a look at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UGfZ508nwM
See, it's smooth, even with a youtube video played simultaneously. :)
imagodespira
Published: 2011/10/25 18:23  Updated: 2011/10/25 18:23
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
@Fab: I make this comparison with our Sam, and there it is much slower, so it is more the System i compare than the Browsers, and this looks good for me and looking forward to X1000 (just testers know about the power at this time, here i see a little bit).

Yes, OWB seems to work well on a MAC/PowerBook/MOS but i prefer AmigaOS 4.x so for me it is relevant to see how it works there. On my PC it also looks smooth (nothing against MOS or OWB there, its great, but not my way at this time).

So if i see how it works the same as on MAC/MOS now without hardware accelleration i looking forward to see it with this feature on AmigaOS 4.x, but more to compare OWB on MOS i want to know how it runs later on a Sam with HW accelleration (and i hope it runs good).

Have you included Hardware Accelleration in MOS OWB? I think this would be nice there too...
djrikki
Published: 2011/10/25 18:35  Updated: 2011/10/25 18:35
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
Mozilla are now 'officially' aware of Timberwolf, reported on Amiga.org.

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59545
Marko
Published: 2011/10/27 1:43  Updated: 2011/10/27 1:44
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
Uber cool!!

Keep it up!
djrikki
Published: 2012/2/16 22:47  Updated: 2012/2/16 22:47
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 Re: [EXCLUSIVE] Timberwolf 4 Video in action.
Timberwolf (beta) for AmigaOS running on AmigaOne 500:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10H2xwmit9k

(AudioSwap maybe in progress)
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