New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf + (Screenshots)

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Mikey_C

Posted on: 2008/8/11 11:01 #1

Amigans Defender

Hi All.

At yesterday's ANT meeting, Chris Young demonstrated his early port of Netsurf for the Amiga.

Although it is still flakey and not complete, the executable is about 7mb in size and loads in under 3 seconds on OS4.x

Looking good so far, keep it up Chris!

Here are some early screenshots.
Resized Image

As always, donations are welcome as I am told they will provide "Motivation"

Your call guys

Quote:

Chris Y posted on ANT thread:

"
Advantages
* Very fast (much faster than OWB - speed seems comparable to AWebOS4 and starts up in a couple of seconds, and that's without any compiler optimisations)
* Small footprint (executable is under 5MB when stripped, and memory usage is low - but I need to do some sort of quantitative measurement of that)
* Supports CSS
* Fully localisable
* Multiple windows

Disadvantages
* Core engine not as mature as (eg) OWB's, so some sites may render less correctly
* No Javascript

Also it looks like secure sites aren't going to work in the port until I can compile against an openssl lib which works (ie. when I get an SDK which allows me to link against sobjs without whinging)

There are other port issues but mostly related to it being a work-in-progress. Obviously the interface isn't anywhere near the functionality of iBrowse or AWeb yet either.

Chris"

Edited by Mikey_C on 2008/8/11 11:47:08
Edited by Mikey_C on 2008/8/11 14:28:47

Mikey C

No cause is lost if there is but one fool left to fight for it.

xeron

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 11:11 #2

Not too shy to talk

@Mikey_C

I dunno. It seems like Amiga CSS capable browsers are like busses. You wait for absolutely ages and then 3 show up all at once!

Edit: and i know who i'm nominating for an icon in september

hotrod

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 11:20 #3

Not too shy to talk

@xeron

What an attitude is that?! It's nice to have several browser to chose from and this browser seems to live up to the amiga spirit

. This is great, can't wait to use it

orgin

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 11:22 #4

Supreme Council

@Mikey_C

Ohhh very nice :)

Vacca foeda. Sum, ergo edo

Mr Bobo Cornwater

xeron

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 11:22 #5

Not too shy to talk

@hotrod

Attitude? Its a joke :)

I'm very happy about this.

jahc

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 12:09 #6

Not too shy to talk

@Mikey_C

AWeb-speed sounds very good!

It's a shame theres no tabs though. I wonder if theres a way to create "fake tabs". CubicIDE has a separate window for each file, but it has a tabbed display at the top of each window. If all the windows are the same size and its on its own screen, you dont really realise that its faked the tabs. And its a perfectly good solution I think.

I heard somewhere that javascript support is being worked on. I think it was on an aw.net thread. Chris, can you tell us what Netsurf's roadmap has in store regarding javascript?

hotrod

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 12:18 #7

Not too shy to talk

@xeron

Oh sorry, my misstake

DBAlex

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 12:57 #8

Just popping in

@Mikey_C

Impressive!

I saw Netsurf running ontop of Cygnix before but this is a native port... seems really nice.

Why is the font so small though? Heh.

Looks good though, just need a basic GUI, I'm sure thats being worked on though.

/me damn me for still being OS4'less

Alex.

spotUP

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 15:27 #9

Just can't stay away

Wow!! Sweetness!
Fast work too!

Xeron agreed, i'd want icons for Hans and Chris next month!

VooDoo

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf + (Screenshots)

Posted on: 2008/8/11 15:54 #10

Quite a regular

@Mikey_C

ahh...again good news :)

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Mikey_C

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 16:07 #11

Amigans Defender

@spotUP

Quote:

spotUP wrote:
Wow!! Sweetness!
Fast work too!

Xeron agreed, i'd want icons for Hans and Chris next month!

I don't think Hans has a paypal account we can donate to.

Mikey C

No cause is lost if there is but one fool left to fight for it.

Hans

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 16:12 #12

Home away from home

@Mikey_C

Quote:

Mikey_C wrote:
@spotUP

Quote:

spotUP wrote:
Wow!! Sweetness!
Fast work too!

Xeron agreed, i'd want icons for Hans and Chris next month!

I don't think Hans has a paypal account we can donate to.

I do actually. There's even a donate button on my website. Despite what some others think of PayPal, I use it a lot for online purchases.

Hans

P.S. Netsurf looks promising.

http://hdrlab.org.nz/ - Amiga OS 4 projects, programming articles and more.
https://keasigmadelta.com/ - more of my work

Mikey_C

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 16:13 #13

Amigans Defender

@Hans

er, okay, okay

/me feels sheepish

Mikey C

No cause is lost if there is but one fool left to fight for it.

nubechecorre

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 16:17 #14

Just can't stay away

Congratulations !!!... new browser ahead !!! ^_^

AJS

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 18:55 #15

Not too shy to talk

@Mikey_C

Quote:

As always, donations are welcome as I am told they will provide "Motivation"

Ok Ok where do we send the Chocolate biscuits and cake to then

Looking Good Chris, keep up the good work

This Puny World will bow down to
Professor Chaos
Prepare for the greatest Villan you have ever seen!!

Snuffy

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf + (Screenshots)

Posted on: 2008/8/11 19:12 #16

Just can't stay away

Hi @Mikey_C

Your call guys

Here's my call...I think it comes from an old Russian proverb:
"Fool me once; shame on me,
Fool me twice and shame on you!''

Amizilla sucker punched me , and Spunik sucker punched me. I finally got wise: when OWB came-by, I just kept waving bye-bye! (Sorry, Joerg)

You want money, don't beg for it with half ass efforts. Develope the browser on your time and sell it to me on my time! IBrowse done it that way, why can't you?
(my impersonation of a Piers Morgan)

Rigo

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf + (Screenshots)

Posted on: 2008/8/11 20:30 #17

Supreme Council

@Snuffy

Quote:

"Fool me once; shame on me,
Fool me twice and shame on you!''

I think you got that round the wrong way

Quote:

You want money, don't beg for it with half ass efforts. Develope the browser on your time and sell it to me on my time! IBrowse done it that way, why can't you?

This no no "half-ass" effort. The "Featured Donations" initiative is a chance for the community to show their appreciation to the devlopers that are still producing software. There has been no mention of money from Chris regarding NetSurf.
As far as getting "sucker-punched" in previous projects, well, shame on you, no-one is forcing you to donate to anything.

Personally, I applaud Chris for spending his time to benefit the Amiga community, well done to him!

Simon

Chris

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 20:34 #18

Amigans Defender

Quote:

jahc wrote:
It's a shame theres no tabs though.

I saw something about tabs being checked in to one of the branches. tbh, due to the way the rendering is done adding tabs purely in my code should be simple (supporting both multiple windows and tabs might be more difficult though)

Quote:

jahc wrote:
I heard somewhere that javascript support is being worked on. I think it was on an aw.net thread. Chris, can you tell us what Netsurf's roadmap has in store regarding javascript?

According to the roadmap, it relies on DOM which is "just started". Information here. I'm sure they won't argue if anybody wants to help implement it.

Quote:

DBAlex wrote:
Why is the font so small though? Heh.

Looks good though, just need a basic GUI, I'm sure thats being worked on though.

There is a basic GUI, but Mikey doesn't have AISS installed and obviously missed me telling everybody to assign TBImages: to resources.

The small font is because I'm just taking the CSS font size and translating it directly to Amiga font size. Scalable fonts always come out smaller than the number of pixels they are suppoed to occupy, for some reason. There is a minimum font size that can be specified but I'm ignoring that for the moment.

Quote:

Snuffy wrote:

You want money, don't beg for it with half ass efforts. Develope the browser on your time and sell it to me on my time! IBrowse done it that way, why can't you?

That's up to you, but I assure you it exists and will be free. I'll probably release a preview version once the major problems are solved (there is one major issue and a few more minor ones I'd like to sort out first)

Chris

Edited by Chris on 2008/8/11 20:53:03

TiredOfLife

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 20:44 #19

Quite a regular

@Chris

Well stop gabbing on here and get on with it.

Sorry, couldn't resist. :)

This looks great, look forward to trying it out.
I'm sure there will be plenty of donations comming your way. ;)

DBAlex

Re: New Amiga Web Browser in Development - Netsurf.

Posted on: 2008/8/11 21:15 #20

Just popping in

@Chris

Ok Cool...

Maybe add a line:

amigaFontSize == cssFontSize * 1.5;

hehe

Wish I had an OS4 machine & could help on this... even if I'm somewhat not familiar with porting... maybe i'll have a stab at installing NetSurf on Ubuntu tonight.

Alex.

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