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Floppy disk drive on SAM
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I want to use a floppy drive on my SAM. What hardware do I need? Can I use external USB? Thanks all.

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Re: Floppy disk drive on SAM
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Yes, you can use an external USB drive. The only problem I can remember is that you will almost certainly need one with its own external power, as the USB ports in the SAM can't supply enough DC power to run things like CD-ROMs or floppy drives.

It should "just work". You will be able to plug in a PC-formatted floppy (FAT-32) and it will mount automatically. But you will not be able to read old Amiga disks.

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Re: Floppy disk drive on SAM
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If you wont read Amiga floppy disk, you can buy kryoflux.

http://os4depot.net/index.php?functio ... utility/misc/kryoflux.lha

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Re: Floppy disk drive on SAM
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@BobSacamano

What do you actually plan to use a floppy drive for on your sam?

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Re: Floppy disk drive on SAM
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Thanks for the advice all!

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I have a collection of old HD PC formatted disks to sort out. Nothing exciting. ;)

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Re: Floppy disk drive on SAM
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If you can find a Catweasel Mk. IV then you're sorted. :)
Kryoflux is also good but I not sure of AmigaOS drivers, they exist, I believe, but I've never used them.
Getting hold of a Catweasel is very difficult, but worth it :)

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So, the Kryoflux would be the number one replacement for a catweazel?

How is the error-handling on bad sectors/blocks?

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Update, update, update???

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Re: Floppy disk drive on SAM
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I've been trying to read my collection of hundreds of Amiga disks (DD 880k, HD 1.76MB, and DiskSpare) on the Kryoflux with a Sony MPF920 and NEC FD1231T. So far, I have not been able to read a single disk out of my whole collection.

I have the USB connected directly to the SAM460 motherboard. The floppy is powered by the PSU. The following is the most recent attempt of getting Amiga disks read.

[quote]New Shell process 6
6.System:> work:archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc/
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
Device not found
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
Device not found
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
Device control command failed
CM: maxtrack=0
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -fbloodmoney.adf -i5
Device does not support Reset command
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -fbloodmoney.adf -i5
Device does not support Reset command
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -fbloodmoney.adf -i5
Device control command failed
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
Device control command failed
CM: maxtrack=0
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -fbloodmoney.adf -i5
KryoFlux DiskTool Console, v2.61_AmigaOS4_ppc32, uiv.1, Jul 8 2015, 15:06:13
(c) 2009-2014 KryoFlux Products & Services Ltd.
Developed by The Software Preservation Society, www.softpres.org
Licensed for private, non-commercial use only.

00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Control command rejected by the device
00.0 : Control command rejected by the device
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Control command rejected by the device
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Control command rejected by the device
00.0 : Control command rejected by the device
00.0 : Read operation failed
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Device control command failed
00.1 : Device control command failed
00.1 : Device control command failed
00.1 : Device not connected or not initialized
00.1 : Read operation failed

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6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -fbloodmoney.adf -i5
KryoFlux DiskTool Console, v2.61_AmigaOS4_ppc32, uiv.1, Jul 8 2015, 15:06:13
(c) 2009-2014 KryoFlux Products & Services Ltd.
Developed by The Software Preservation Society, www.softpres.org
Licensed for private, non-commercial use only.

00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Read operation failed
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Device control command failed
00.1 : Device control command failed
00.1 : Device not connected or not initialized
00.1 : Read operation failed

Enjoy your shiny new disk image!
Please consider helping us to preserve media and continue development:
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6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -ffwdocs.adf -dd1 -i5
KryoFlux DiskTool Console, v2.61_AmigaOS4_ppc32, uiv.1, Jul 8 2015, 15:06:13
(c) 2009-2014 KryoFlux Products & Services Ltd.
Developed by The Software Preservation Society, www.softpres.org
Licensed for private, non-commercial use only.

00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Control command rejected by the device
00.0 : Control command rejected by the device
00.0 : Control command rejected by the device
00.0 : Read operation failed

Enjoy your shiny new disk image!
Please consider helping us to preserve media and continue development:
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6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -ffwdocs.adf -dd1 -i5
Device control command failed
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
Device does not support Reset command
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
Device does not support Reset command
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -ffwdocs.adf -dd1 -i5
Device does not support Reset command
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -ffwdocs.adf -dd1 -i5
Device does not support Reset command
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
Device does not support Reset command
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -ffwdocs.adf -dd1 -i5
USB endpoint not found
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
USB endpoint not found
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
Device control command failed
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
Device does not support Reset command
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
Device does not support Reset command
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
USB endpoint not found
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
USB endpoint not found
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
USB endpoint not found
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
Device control command failed
CM: maxtrack=0
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -fbguide.adf -dd1 -i5
KryoFlux DiskTool Console, v2.61_AmigaOS4_ppc32, uiv.1, Jul 8 2015, 15:06:13
(c) 2009-2014 KryoFlux Products & Services Ltd.
Developed by The Software Preservation Society, www.softpres.org
Licensed for private, non-commercial use only.

00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Read operation failed
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Read operation failed
01.0 : Error reading stream device
01.0 : Control command rejected by the device
01.0 : Error reading stream device
01.0 : Control command rejected by the device
01.0 : Error reading stream device
01.0 : Control command rejected by the device
01.0 : Error reading stream device
01.0 : Control command rejected by the device
01.0 : Error reading stream device
01.0 : Control command rejected by the device
01.0 : Read operation failed
01.1 : Error reading stream device
01.1 : Control command rejected by the device
01.1 : Error reading stream device
01.1 : Control command rejected by the device
01.1 : Error reading stream device
01.1 : Device control command failed
01.1 : Device control command failed
01.1 : Control command rejected by the device
01.1 : Error reading stream device
01.1 : Control command rejected by the device
01.1 : Read operation failed
02.0 : Error reading stream device
02.0 : Control command rejected by the device
02.0 : Error reading stream device
02.0 : Control command rejected by the device
02.0 : Error reading stream device
02.0 : Device control command failed
02.0 : Device control command failed
02.0 : Error reading stream device
02.0 : Error reading stream device
02.0 : Control command rejected by the device
02.0 : Read operation failed
02.1 : Error reading stream device
02.1 : Error reading stream device
02.1 : Error reading stream device
02.1 : Control command rejected by the device
02.1 : Error reading stream device
02.1 : Error reading stream device
02.1 : Error reading stream device
02.1 : Error reading stream device
02.1 : Device control command failed
02.1 : Device control command failed
02.1 : Read operation failed
03.0 : Error reading stream device
03.0 : Error reading stream device
03.0 : Error reading stream device
03.0 : Device control command failed
03.0 : Device control command failed
03.0 : Error reading stream device
03.0 : Error reading stream device
03.0 : Error reading stream device
03.0 : Error reading stream device
03.0 : Error reading stream device
03.0 : Read operation failed
03.1 : Error reading stream device
03.1 : Error reading stream device
03.1 : Error reading stream device
03.1 : Device control command failed
03.1 : Device control command failed
03.1 : Error reading stream device
03.1 : Error reading stream device
03.1 : Device control command failed
03.1 : Device control command failed
03.1 : Device not connected or not initialized
03.1 : Read operation failed

Enjoy your shiny new disk image!
Please consider helping us to preserve media and continue development:
www.softpres.org/donate

6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -fframes.adf -dd1 -i5
KryoFlux DiskTool Console, v2.61_AmigaOS4_ppc32, uiv.1, Jul 8 2015, 15:06:13
(c) 2009-2014 KryoFlux Products & Services Ltd.
Developed by The Software Preservation Society, www.softpres.org
Licensed for private, non-commercial use only.

00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Read operation failed
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Device control command failed
00.1 : Device control command failed
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Device control command failed
00.1 : Device control command failed
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Device control command failed
00.1 : Read operation failed
01.0 : Device control command failed
01.0 : Device control command failed
01.0 : Device control command failed
01.0 : Error reading stream device
01.0 : Error reading stream device
01.0 : Error reading stream device
01.0 : Error reading stream device
01.0 : Error reading stream device
01.0 : Error reading stream device
01.0 : Control command rejected by the device
01.0 : Read operation failed
01.1 : Error reading stream device
01.1 : Device control command failed
01.1 : Error reading stream device
01.1 : Control command rejected by the device
01.1 : Device control command failed
01.1 : Device control command failed
01.1 : Device not connected or not initialized
01.1 : Read operation failed

Enjoy your shiny new disk image!
Please consider helping us to preserve media and continue development:
www.softpres.org/donate

6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -fmusic.adf -i5
Device not found
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -fmusic.adf -i5
Device not found
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
Device not found
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -fmusic.adf -i5
USB endpoint not found
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -fmusic.adf -i5
USB endpoint not found
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
USB endpoint not found
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -fmusic.adf -i5
USB endpoint not found
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -c2
Device control command failed
CM: maxtrack=0
6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc> dtc -fmusic.adf -i5
KryoFlux DiskTool Console, v2.61_AmigaOS4_ppc32, uiv.1, Jul 8 2015, 15:06:13
(c) 2009-2014 KryoFlux Products & Services Ltd.
Developed by The Software Preservation Society, www.softpres.org
Licensed for private, non-commercial use only.

00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Device control command failed
00.0 : Error reading stream device
00.0 : Read operation failed
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Error reading stream device
00.1 : Control command rejected by the device
00.1 : Control command rejected by the device
00.1 : Device control command failed
00.1 : Device control command failed
00.1 : Device not connected or not initialized
00.1 : Read operation failed

Enjoy your shiny new disk image!
Please consider helping us to preserve media and continue development:
www.softpres.org/donate

6.Work:Archives/kryoflux_2.61_amigaos4/dtc>[\quote]


Edited by interrogative on 2016/2/1 11:40:59
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Re: Floppy disk drive on SAM
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Try to find a Catweasel they are awesome. I love mine. Works great.

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Re: Floppy disk drive on SAM
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@magnetic

I had been thinking of the Catweasel, but from what I read, the Kryoflux was supposed to be better at recovering old Amiga disks. What I really would prefer at this point is a real classic Amiga with a 1.76MB floppy drive and KS 3.1 to read and convert to .adf files. It all comes down to what I can afford.

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Re: Floppy disk drive on SAM
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I am not sure if I'm misreading your post, but do you have the Kryoflux hardware?
It looks like the device can not be found.

The Floppy has to be connected to the Kryoflux hardware which then is connected to the Sam via USB.

http://www.kryoflux.com/?page=home

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As I said in the post, I have the Kryoflux connected directly to the motherboard. The green, red, and yellow LEDs light up and flash, showing the board is working and recognized; yet, the yellow light often goes out while trying to access the drive. After hitting the reset button on the board, the USB stack sees it again. Even though it sees the board, it can't read a single disk.

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Re: Floppy disk drive on SAM
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Quote:
So, the Kryoflux would be the number one replacement for a catweazel?


Don't get me wrong, the Sam460 has limited number PCI slots, and they might already be in use.
Using USB ports you don't run into lack of PCI port issue.

Quote:
How is the error-handling on bad sectors/blocks?


Don't know, but I think work in similar way.

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@interrogative

Quote:
As I said in the post, I have the Kryoflux connected directly to the motherboard.


Internal USB header? Does USB sticks work directly on the motherboard? Maybe the pin out are wrong.

Just need the 0V, +D, -D and +V5 in correct order, google it find some pictures on how to connect it. read the Sam460 manual.

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I connected the Kryoflux board via a USB motherboard to USB B cable. I've already checked the wiring against the SAM460ex manual to make sure it was correct. I have also tried switching between the USB 1.0 and 2.0 motherboard headers.

I have also checked the floppy cable, making sure the red line was connected to pin 0. The floppy drive is at the end of the cable just past the twist in the ribbon.

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Which USB port did you use?
J28 is only USB 1.0 and Kryoflux needs 2.0.

Another problem could be the onboard usb hub the sam460 has - the kryoflux should be used without a hub.

ask acube which usb ports are not connect to hub.

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I've tried two different motherboard headers. Perhaps they both were hubs? I'll check with ACube.

Edit: I checked last night. The headers I tried were J12 and J13. I have not tried J28; however, J28 is the USB 1.0 header. I still have no word from ACube.


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http://www.acube-systems.biz/

http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news#archive

Quote:

Wed, 02 Dec 2015
No DSL connection

Dear customers, since yesterday morning, our telephone line and DSL connection are out of order.


Looks like they have some internet problems.

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Why dont you contact the vendor you purchased it from and ask them for support? OR contact Jens? We cant help becauase we dont have the configuration. I'm blessed to have a catweasel mk iv ( i paid $200 us for it!)

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