Amiga Inc mentioned it as an area of interest, Hyperion also, I seem to remember, and the Frieden Brothers were keen.
Obviously the recent release of the SAM board has priority, though I know nothing about whether or not anything is happening.
At the moment the PS3 sales have hit about 3 million units, in October a small price drop is expected with the release of PS Home, but what really interests me is otherOS a feature of PS3 gamesOS.
The otherOS option which I have used to install Yellow Dog Linux as easy to use. You can set it as the default boot in PS3 or boot whenever and back again. Plug in a USB mouse/keyboard and away you go.
I have been interested both in the Cell processor and PS3, the promise of being third OS friendly for some years now. I have been more than pleased with it (and so have my sons) since getting it a few weeks ago.
IBM has recently released an SDK for the Cell processor with PS3 options. In short, everything needed appears to be in place.
My guess is that it will not take too long before PS3 hits 10 million units and that is not even considering the potential in the next few years for the Chinese market (where a games and computer combo would find a large welcome).
I dislike Linux, and it sits pretty unhappily on the PS3, whereas AOS4 would fit beautifully INHO, though we need some emergency basic apps (X11 ports could fill the holes). Mind you as Linux goes it actually is the smoothest and fastest version (on the Cell) on any platform I have seen it run.
AOS4's quick booting would also fit (Linux at its best is slow), AOS4 takes a shorter time than most PS3 big games to load. The bright and cheerful Desktop fits like a hand for a well made glove.
Consider the market, even if only 1% bought OS4. But aside from this there are other things, that I have been surprised to find which could make it even easier for AOS4 to sell itself.
PS Home, about to be released as a restricted Beta, and in August as a public Beta for a full launch in October.
The best idea is to have a look at "Second Life", PS Home will not be the same of course, but there will be an overlap.
A 3D world inhabited by walking talking avatars, who can spend and play as they please. A place for fun and commerce, plus a place to introduce PS3 gamers to an OS that they may wish to install.
Not just a market, but also a means of marketing cheaply.
Surely a once in a lifetime opportunity for our OS.
And wouldn't cool running SAM be a perfect little domestic server to PS3 "work/playstations", also running AOS4?
If Amiga and/or Hyperion even have the slightest interest in getting a market worth its name and bringing AmigaOS back to the general public, there is no way they would miss this opportunity.
I'm not talking about selling AmigaOS, unless it comes really cheap, like 10EUR to cover the cost of a CD, but rather giving it away for free.
The Amiga name is still quite well known out there, and a marketing stunt like giving AmigaOS4 away for free for the PS3 could actually be the best move ever...
Just imagine getting tens of thousands of new users over night, not to mention all the potential developers. There would be plenty of opportunities even for Hyperion to make money without charging a singel cent for AmigaOS4.
@AmiDog Not a bad idea to introduce it into a growing market.
Though I do believe that charging as much as a PS3 game (loaded with fundamental apps) would make it competitive (using Linux is a good marketing tool for getting another OS IMHO).
Giving away several thousand copies for a few months might be a great way of immediately widening the market.
However, Amia Inc and Hyperion need money. As a stunt it would be a good way of getting started - especially if avatar agents gave away coupons in PS Home just as it was started.
If there was a limit of say 5,000 give-aways (simple download), followed up by 5,000 half-price coupons (download plus disks), and then a full priced buy would be easy to introduce (download followed by disks naturally). All of which could be done within PS Home. Outside buyers using normal channels at full price (who knows maybe even Sony would subsidise the exercise - I think they are really very keen on PS Home being a success).
Currently a good PS3 game costs about $AUS100, I can't see that being a problem for AOS4 + vital apps.
I agree at this point, a free release isn't much of an option Hyperion will need to recover their costs somewhere.
Maybe in the distant future when another solution outperforms and outfeatures the PS3. By then the PS3 userbase may be huge and a free release could offer an interesting marketing strategy to push even more capable solutions (for example multiple higher clocked Cell processors, more RAM, expansion slots, video input, etc.
I would even try to make an agreement with Sony so AmigaOS4 comes bundled for free (to the final consumer) with the PS3, with a little "fee" for Hyperion, say $1 or even $0.50 per sold unit, than would make an a nice bunch of bucks in the end Of course, if Sony is really selling the PS3 at a loss I don't think this could be easily done, but trying it is free...
Saluditos,
Ferr?n.
Amiga user since 1988 AOS4 Betatester Member of ATO Spain A1 Cfg OS4 SCR A1200
To be honest I have read enough about this topics on other forums and I am a bit tired about it. In the last weeks it was nice to have an Amiga forum without PS3 discussion.
Please understand that I really want OS4 on PS3 to happen. I think most peoples will agree that it's a good idea, because Amigaos will be more accessible to many users if it happens. I prefer Samantha instead of PS3 because it's a community effort, a project lead by Amigans, and my money doesn't go to big, maybe ruthless multinational companies, but to good well-known Amiga guys from our community. It gives me a very warm feeling. But that is only my opinion.
At the moment it is all only speculation. We need to know that the legal issues between Hyperion and Amiga Inc have been solved before we can really move forward. When the issues have been solved and the ownership of OS4 is clear, then I am sure that a solution to the hardware problems will be found very soon.
We can talk about PS3 all we want, but that doesn't make it more or less realistic to happen unfortunately. It's all in the hands of lawyers.
@MikeB & all "...to push even more capable solutions (for example multiple higher clocked Cell processors, more RAM, expansion slots, video input, etc."
I have taken this out of context, to draw attention to a simple strategic nexus between PS3 and SAM.
1) The characteristics of SAM begin its passive cooled relatively slow (compared to the CELL) CPU, its good PCI configuration. It would make a nice little Amigan Desktop.
2) The PS3 has limited (maybe nil) expansion possibilities, the I/0 lacks firewire (for video), in fact any audio/video input, no real internal expansion ala PCI or its like, it has fast LAN, easy to setup WI FI, and limited HD options
3) It is complemented by the PSP, which is acts as a remote both for the PS3 and also can be Universal IR remote (IR is also missing from the PS3).
4) Critically the PS3 practically pulls customers into buying a true HDTV at 1080p.
I am currently working with a company to produce a much better method of typing into the PS3 without a keyboard (at least for Latin and Greek type characters sets). That is an aside, but has implications re "otherOS".
And there is the Chinese market just over the horizon.
There is a lego-like combination in these four points. Something a bit beyond, simply getting a larger market for OS4, by porting to the PS3.
People make reference to the legal negotiations between Amiga In and Hyperion, as if we can influence that! Rather any lawyers worth their salt would first come to a compromise that allows business to go on - possibly a trust fund for moneys likely to be in dispute - so I don't think either party is likely to be sitting on its hands in this period.
Money solves a lot of ills and will spur on settlement, but money needs a viable market. PS3 offers that like no other. And this is something both companies have already expressed an interest in. More over, for at least three years it has been sitting there underneath all the other plans.
PS3 discussion, and I do not mean the sort of tripe experienced on some other forums, but somewhere like here that will draw attention and be clearly argued, will be read by both Amiga Inc and Hyperion, and SAM's company, that could have a beneficial effect. Essentially the legal dispute between the former two, is not about ownership, that is the form of the argument, that is about royalties.
Royalties is the end product, how much, what proportion of sales will be paid to Amiga Inc. The last bit is what part of the code is handed to Amiga Inc for OS5 purposes, another thing that could be solved by money-flow and payment even without resolving every aspect of IP, or indeed any.
The more the potential size of the market via PS3 is talked about, the greater spur on both companies to have their lawyers come up with a workable solution. In any case there is unlikely to be any restraint on Hyperion developing ports, for that would be mutual suicide.
Negotiations will not settle things like IP ownership - ever, they can only provide a legal framework where these issues become workable solutions. IP issues get solved in court, and both parties are wise enough not to go down that path unless all other options are exhausted - again the potential for money flow, through a large market potential, make such a tactic also suicidal.
Put the legal dispute into perspective, rather changes things. PS3 as a very large potential market - translates into a massive injection of cash.
Which brings me to the win-win involved in the 4 point lego set above.
HDTV makes computers useful anywhere in the house. In Australia, after a hiatus of any true HDTVs we are now seeing them advertised in numbers and much lower prices.
That strangely enough is the primary block - a device that in the next few years will become much more common, and has relatively little to do with PS3 (except gamers will be demanding them, asking about them, and perhaps have already moved things on a bit), or AmigaOS.
The second block is naturally the PS itself, in millions of homes already and millions more in the near future.
The third block is a robust, quick booting and cheerful otherOS running on it. OS4 is a perfect fit on a games machine.
The fourth, but not last, is SAM, or other Amiga Desktop, and small Desktop, boards, that are ideal to give an immediate solution to the lack of ready expansion for the PS3, first as a HD host, printer sharer, BlueRay burner, but also AV channeller - a domestic service server in other words. It will not take long for PS3 users to fill their disks.
SAM's passively cooled CPU and two PCI slots offers opportunities here, and the fact that AmigaOS has practically no server features is a bonus (there is no excessive cludge). All AmigaOS running on SAM has to is present shared and private HD space for PS3 users within a single household and then there is a market for it to, far bigger than anything the Amiga community could possibly provide, and an edge for the board to be seen and then used in other contexts as well.
SAM, even just as a HD server, can support (based on 2 X IDE and 2XPCIx 2 HDs each) six HDs, and on a basis of 500gig - that can be as high as just under 3 tetrabytes.
Think laterally, and there is money in this market. Money for Amiga Inc, Hyperion and SAM. It is not just a matter of a PS3 port, that is too narrow and misses the point. If you are concerned about resolving the legal issues dangle a great wad of cash, just out of reach - enough reason to settle things and get up from the table and grab it - that is an aspect of PS3 which seems to escape notice.
Now add the last element - marketing the OS4 port. In October there will be PSHome a direct link to the market, those that already own PS3 and a proportion who will already be thinking of "otherOS". Consider 1% of 10 million x $100 per unit, that is not a bad start to making OS4 a success and also from Amiga Incs point of view opening the way for OS5 also.
Leave PS3 alone as boring, let this opportunity slide away, then I can expect little for the future.
Generate some excitement, some simple ideas on how to make the most of it and that might resolve things on all fronts - after all we can do precious little but talk, so let the talk have some greater purpose.
If I understand you correctly, what you're suggesting is that the SAM should be thought and advertised as a peripheral supplement to the PS3, both running Amiga OS4. But along the lines of this reasoning, I fail to see the necessity for Amiga OS4 on the PS3 in first place, and especially on the supplement device.
Clarification on this matter seems crucial for your argument, as it deals with the notion of a market, consumer requirements and sales estimates. You even take it to the point where the alleged market potential could overcome dissents between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion, which seems a dubious argument to me. We know nothing about the details of this conflict, so how could we possibly solve a problem which isn't ours and nobody has chosen to grant us insight to?
First we should agree on what kind of market we are talking here - the Amiga enthusiast market or a media centric, home theatre consumer market. For the latter (and all the retro enthusiast's irrationality put aside), customers tend to behave opportunistically, and one should try to (in that order) identify and satisfy an existing consumer need. I suspect that you're not only trying to achieve things in the wrong order (we have a product, now we just have to tailor a need around it), but even to weld contradictional things together (the PS3 poses a serious threat to the SAM, let's come up with some synergistic use for both of them).
So, when you're talking of market opportunities, why should _either_ of the devices be equipped with AmigaOS4 in first place, and is there any need for a supplement device at all? For a media consumer (who has been identified as techophile, as she needs an initial willingness to install an operating system on the PS3), wouldn't of all things Linux be the logical choice regarding cost, widespread availability, drivers, software and support in forums? Note: Yellow Dog Linux for the PS3 has been distributed with tech magazines in Germany.
Regarding the supplement device: Linux is capable of serving NFS, Samba and CIFS rather well, and in fact I'm using it for this purpose at home. There's hardly any need for a costly desktop, single-user operating system to fulfill a free server, multi-user operating system's purpose. Generally the benefit of that supplement device seems far-fetched to me, as technically affine people already have a computer (or even a second computer for media serving).
The PS3 is a selling point and DRM enforcement device for Sony, and from a media consumer's viewpoint it makes enough sense as it stands. Hardware access under Amiga OS4 would be limited, as guest operating systems are running under control of a Hypervisor. This is precisely what a majority in the next-generation Amiga community has always despised: virtualization.
The SAM, on the other hand, is just a PPC motherboard and still has to find its niche, yet it's likely to run Linux in 90% of all instances. The only thing that unites them from an Amigan's viewpoint is an instruction subset in their ALU. That alone doesn't make them complementary, just the opposite, as Amiga OS4 on the PS3 would grievously harm sales of the SAM board in the Amiga marketplace, and we should decide on what we as a community prefer.
The only thing I would say is which do you prefer... AmigaOS or Linux... and which would your mainstream game player who wants to tinker and maybe do a little wp and graphics prefer amnd find easier to use... considering i can't get my head around Linux...
Sven Harvey Amiga Mart in Micro Mart (in 2 out of 4 issues on average with a following wind)
First and perhaps the hardest thing to accept, is that I don't consider the Amiga community a market. It is basically too small and getting smaller. Even if it was vastly expanded by a factor of 10, it would still be a small market.
My approach to the OS is that has virtues inherent in its design, and another set of virtues due to its neglect over the years. I accept there are also design deficits that in time will need to be eliminated.
Current established OSes suffer from the problem of accumulation, they have bulk devoted to a long history of adapting to standards, fads and integration into bigger systems. The base OS is large with these accumulated "assets".
Much of this depends on how the evolution of Desktop PCs is viewed. To slot OS4 into current uses of PCs is ridiculous, it just does not have the accumulation of assets to allow it be simply used as a replacement for MS, Linux or even Mac. A toe to toe contest with established brands in their market places is no contest at all, OS4 loses.
From my point of view, there is a need for a new market, largely independent of present PC use, but with potential to do things in a different, simple and versatile way.
Finding such a market, establishing ourselves within it, means we do not have to emulate the functionality of currently established OSes, instead we are a in a position to largely ignore them, and concentrate instead of solving net working and communications in a sensible way, with enough marketing padding to ignore many established but not necessarily proficient solutions.
Hence my long established interest in the PS3 as a market, but also my obsession with pre-empting a need, when such consoles are used as computers, for a simple, familiar OS to run domestic server services.
The cutting edge in this is simple, it does not lie in functional overkill, but rather the opposite - that is just enough functionality to deliver services.
Sevenof7 hit the nail on the head.
"The only thing I would say is which do you prefer... AmigaOS or Linux... and which would your mainstream game player who wants to tinker and maybe do a little wp and graphics prefer amnd find easier to use... considering i can't get my head around Linux..."
Linux is severe overkill. Be it for free, even if it is distributed with PS3 - it is a duck out of water for console users who have a need to expand into computer use.
Obviously SAM can have a lot of uses, including as a neat standalone desktop machine, but its use in various special purpose (or general purpose) hubs, is extremely flexible - mainly because of its passively cooled CPU and low power requirements.
But until SAM is produced in its hundreds of thousands, and the price comes down allowing it to be used for mundane as well as high end use it is just speculative.
Now from SAM's perspective, there are countless boards that run Linux, how does it rise above the competition?
As a board that runs OS4 as a desktop, is a quirk rather than an asset. But to penetrate the domestic market, to be come familiar to thousands of PS3 users as a simple way to add a domestic server network using an OS that they are also using on the console - now that is something else again, that is way of establishing the board as something different, versatile, reliable and useful.
Now to be brutal I don't think what the Amiga community wants, or thinks it wants, really comes into any of this. There is a historic dimension to this, a console, with fixed architecture, that sports a CPU capable of making use of other such CPUs, in a case that is a severe cut down on what is normally expected in I/O, yet out of the box has good fast LAN, WiFi, Bluetooth, fast USB, digital audio out, HDMI with superb HDTV connectivity, and only 60gigs of HD, yet allows the playing of film and audio files, that is a console begging for a domestic server.
By looking at Windows XP, MacOS X or a Linux desktop one might get the impression that established OSes have to be large to be workable - but small systems have actually remained a concern up to this day. Strip a Linux or FreeBSD kernel down to the required set of functions and drivers, link all required libraries into a single application and you have just tailored an embedded OS+application into a mere 1mb of memory. Modularity works on different levels: applications, libraries, drivers, source code, build scripts. The base is usually just a task and I/O scheduler, memory management and framework for drivers.
But that's not the point and I respect that this doesn't matter from a user's perspective. Just let's not forget that for example a vanilla Mac OS X installation comes with a wealth of preinstalled subsystems, drivers and applications (like a TCP/IP stack, USB stack, shells, ssh, wget, cvs, apache, samba) - these are the things that you are grabbing from Aminet first if you want to get productive with an Amiga nowadays, or at least if you at some point have to interact with the outside world and suddenly find yourself in the need to adhere to communication or programming interfaces - would you with a clean conscience suggest a PS3 consumer to dig out all these things from Aminet and various webpages?
Regarding "solving networking and communications in a sensible way": Sorry, but the ONLY sensible way to achieve this is by implementing the 4 layers of TCP/IP and perhaps by putting a funny user interface on top. "Preempting a need" sounds fishy to me. If by that you mean that you want to be with Amiga OS4 on the Playstation 3 when your anticipated need arises, good. But if you by that you mean that this need for OS4 first needs to be stimulated by the presence of OS4 on the Playstation 3, not so good, because regardless of its own success it may be a huge loss for the SAM, and this is something that should be well justified.
I agree that Linux is severe overkill for... well, doing pixel graphics like in DPaint, I guess. As for doing wp [sp? - webpages?] and especially serving files, handling internet and LAN connectivity and play back media, I'm not so sure.
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Now from SAM's perspective, there are countless boards that run Linux, how does it rise above the competition?
Having no CPU cooler is nothing special today and that's not the main benefit of the SAM either. The same argument was used by the Genesi folks ("cool computing"), and nothing indeed qualifies just the SAM for that - I'm currently using a passively cooled PentiumIII-based machine as a home server (oh, and it serves all the bloat of Linux quite satisfactory). SAM's main benefit is that it's intended for running Amiga OS4 and that it originates from the inside of the Amiga community. The same cannot be in the least said about the PS3.
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As a board that runs OS4 as a desktop, is a quirk rather than an asset. But to penetrate the domestic market, to be come familiar to thousands of PS3 users as a simple way to add a domestic server network using an OS that they are also using on the console - now that is something else again, that is way of establishing the board as something different, versatile, reliable and useful.
This is a heck of a twisted argument. So OS4 turns the PS3 into a something that needs a supplement computer, and for the ease of extending it further and not further confusing the user with exotic user interfaces you are suggesting an additional purchase of a SAM based computer? Or should I take this statement in a sense that you are suggesting the use of proprietary protocols for the PS3/SAM-home network? And correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be possible to just plug another harddrive into an USB port of the PS3?
I'm not saying that OS4 on the Playstation 3 couldn't under no circumstances make some sense, but wouldn't it be better to get it out on hardware first that was specifically designed for OS4? I think that there is not much enthusiasm left to be wasted for experiments on fantastic escape plans.
By looking at Windows XP, MacOS X or a Linux desktop one might get the impression that established OSes have to be large to be workable - but small systems have actually remained a concern up to this day. Strip a Linux or FreeBSD kernel down to the required set of functions and drivers, link all required libraries into a single application and you have just tailored an embedded OS+application into a mere 1mb of memory. Modularity works on different levels: applications, libraries, drivers, source code, build scripts. The base is usually just a task and I/O scheduler, memory management and framework for drivers.
True, but to do anything like this you need some pretty together programmers, a design that is absolutely thought through from the first instance, and where it is done it has up till now required big bucks and a lot of specialist knowledge.
Use a slim OS to begin with, and practically any experienced user who can script can manage to turn OS4 into what they want. The importance lies in the shift in expertise from experienced programmers to experience users.
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Just let's not forget that for example a vanilla Mac OS X installation comes with a wealth of preinstalled subsystems, drivers and applications (like a TCP/IP stack, USB stack, shells, ssh, wget, cvs, apache, samba) - these are the things that you are grabbing from Aminet first if you want to get productive with an Amiga nowadays, or at least if you at some point have to interact with the outside world and suddenly find yourself in the need to adhere to communication or programming interfaces - would you with a clean conscience suggest a PS3 consumer to dig out all these things from Aminet and various webpages?
True and these could just as well be bundled up with a later release on something like the PS3, the problem is not so much how much could be included but how much gives all round functionality without overkill.
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Regarding "solving networking and communications in a sensible way": Sorry, but the ONLY sensible way to achieve this is by implementing the 4 layers of TCP/IP and perhaps by putting a funny user interface on top. "Preempting a need" sounds fishy to me. If by that you mean that you want to be with Amiga OS4 on the Playstation 3 when your anticipated need arises, good. But if you by that you mean that this need for OS4 first needs to be stimulated by the presence of OS4 on the Playstation 3, not so good, because regardless of its own success it may be a huge loss for the SAM, and this is something that should be well justified.
Knowing little about TCP/IP I cannot comment. But using the basic TCP/IP without change and introducing a lightweight Web Server like Kepler (Lua script based) should do the trick without too much fiddle. Permissions etc being handled through the web server, hopefully also overcoming the need for SAMBA as well.
The anticipating needs bit is simpler than it sounds. A 60gig drive with film, photos, and music will fill up, besides which most of such resources in a domestic context need to be centrally shared rather than duplicated. PS3 will need some sort of domestic server sooner or later, why not make room early and make it SAM running OS4 and cut out the competition early.
The Amiga community is not such a big loss, SAM needs a lot bigger market, and so does OS4. Having been slightly involved with another board design some time ago, the problem of marketing it always pointed away from the community and given the existing competition, by finding niche markets the others because of their OS were unsuited.
Domestic service servers, has not been made up over night. It is the niche market, with huge long term growth, that unites the incipient need for server technology with the unsuitability of existing server OSes to cater.
The PS3 opportunity has been on the horizon for a good few years now. Missing this opportunity, which I have reason to believe is not intended to be missed, would be to condemn the OS to hobby status.
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Having no CPU cooler is nothing special today and that's not the main benefit of the SAM either. The same argument was used by the Genesi folks ("cool computing"), and nothing indeed qualifies just the SAM for that - I'm currently using a passively cooled PentiumIII-based machine as a home server (oh, and it serves all the bloat of Linux quite satisfactory). SAM's main benefit is that it's intended for running Amiga OS4 and that it originates from the inside of the Amiga community. The same cannot be in the least said about the PS3.
Having a cool running CPU with OS4 is the magic combo, its 24/7 power consumption is also an added advantage (I run a very hot intel box that is passively cooled, but it sucks power and on hot days it simply cannot cope).
Reliability is inherent in the PPC type CPU, it is just not obtainable in an Intel chip until it is slowed down to an amble.
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This is a heck of a twisted argument. So OS4 turns the PS3 into a something that needs a supplement computer, and for the ease of extending it further and not further confusing the user with exotic user interfaces you are suggesting an additional purchase of a SAM based computer? Or should I take this statement in a sense that you are suggesting the use of proprietary protocols for the PS3/SAM-home network? And correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be possible to just plug another harddrive into an USB port of the PS3?
It is not just HDs, you are right a portable USB would fix that, but sharing and general expansion (some is possible with the PS3, but it is by design very restricted).
What I am talking about is a number of interlocking markets. The very small Amiga market, which will if both are available will buy both SAM and PS3, for very different reasons. And the huge potential market for the mass PS3 community, where AOS4 can intrude and offer a lot more than Linux for the average user.
Besides which the actual release of ports should be, from what I can make out SAM and then after that PS3 (hopefully by the all important PS Home release in October).
I agree with Oppressor on nearly all counts. The PS3 IS a threat to the Samantha board. If both hardwares will be available at the same, it will lead to MUCH less sales of the SAM, which I think would be a pity! I don't see any reason why any peoples who spend lots of money on PS3 with OS4 will still buy a SAM on top of that to use it as a domestic server. This looks like a very constructed and twisted thought that is only used because then people don't see PS3 as a threat anymore to SAM.
There might be a few cases where Amigans buy both, but this doesn't outweigh the loss of sales of SAM by any means! I have said why I prefer SAM, performance is not that important for me with the apps and games that are available and OS4 will still fly on SAM. SAM is fine as a board to get more developers. That is the big advantage of OS4, it doesnt need hardware such as PS3 because it is so lightweight. SAM is from OUR community. The guys have worked hard for a lot of time to bring the SAM to us. I wish them big success and I wish them that PS3 will not get a license for OS4 port.
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The very small Amiga market, which will if both are available will buy both SAM and PS3, for very different reasons.
Both? I don't know about you, but I CAN'T afford to have both at home and I guess a lot of other Amigans are with me on that. Also many don't see the reason for that, even if there might be different reasons. Please understand that there are peoples who don't want a games console, even if it plays movies or does a lot of other things. Call me old-fashioned but I don't need HDTV, Second world or domestic servers. I would be all fine with one desktop Amiga which runs OS4. You seem to get a lot of overwhelmed because you are a technology guy that needs all the latest technology to have your movies, MP3s, games, internet running everywhere in your house at highest speed. There are many who think of that as a horrible thought. I don't want to follow technology everywhere. My living-room feels more cozy without all that and my wife agrees on that!
@Severin + Helge Title clearly says this is about PS3 and OS4 so just avoid the thread if your not interested (which it seems you are anyway).
Personally I think OS4 on PS3 is fun to discuss and its nice to hear peoples pro and cons for a PS3 version of OS4.
@Helge I think it would supplement the SAM board but also take a few sales away from SAM. You say you dont need a new HDTV and I know many feels like you atm, then clearly the SAM board is for you.
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