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Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?

Posted on: Yesterday 10:36 #1

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Quote:

FlynnTheAvatar wrote:Sorry, I do not see the benefit of having an "Amiga NG" with an "Amiga OS" that does not support 68k programs.

I personally use a lot of 68k programs that have no PPC port:
- CubicIDE
- ArtEffect
- StormC 4
- IMP3
- AmIRC
- VinCED (because CON is seriously buggy)

You are right, I forgot CubicIDE. I am using it too, but more often I am using Lite-XL. It is not IDE, but is very useful. I also ordered StormC5ED.

Edited by sailor on 2026/2/17 12:42:41

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad

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Re: Decreasing compatiblitiy of OS4 a good thing?

Posted on: Yesterday 7:39 #2

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Quote:

redfox wrote:Software compatibility with 68K software was the main reason I purchased my OS4 system way back in 2004.

My reason to buy AmigaNG was need for more power, my last Amiga - A4000T with CyberstormPPC was simply too slow for daily work. In 2003 I purchased Pegasos 2 with MorphOS and in 2013 AmigaOne X1000 with AmigaOS4. I have never regretted it. I used them for daily work many years.
All old great 68k games I am running with E-UAE.
The only 68k application I am using often is NetFS on AmigaOS4. Morphos NetFS is native, so I don't need it here.

Compatibility with 68k application was great in time of MorphOS 1.3, where was no native network stack. But today it is practically not needed.
Of course, compatibility with system friendly 68k app is not bad.
More important for me is to have near-modern web browser, IMAP email client, Excel/Calc and Word/Writer compatible apps. And multicore would be useful. That's enough for it to be my daily work system.

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Re: clean way howto use clib4

Posted on: 2/16 19:06 #3

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@walkero @afxgroup @elfpipe and others
BIG THANKS for your work on clib4

now working with SPE FPU is much easier.
Calling functions with SPE FP parameters (like printf %f) works great!

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sailor

Re: clean way howto use clib4

Posted on: 2/10 7:20 #4

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@LiveForIt

Nice work! Can I try it?

And MorphOS does not have fork() yet, as Piru explained.
I wrote that information because I compiled a program with fork() that ran fine.
However, I didn't notice the warning about the implicit declaration of fork(), and the program ran in a branch where fork() was not used.

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Re: SAM440EP and RX550 gfx card

Posted on: 2/7 11:49 #5

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This is output from RadeonRXchip.debug


U-Boot 2015.d (Apr 07 2025 - 16:10:29)



CPU:   AMCC PowerPC 440EP Rev. C at 733.333 MHz (PLB=146 OPB=73 EBC=73 PCI=73 MHz)

       Bootstrap Option H - Boot ROM Location I2C (Addr 0x52)

       Internal PCI arbiter enabled, PCI async ext clock used

       32 kB I-Cache 32 kB D-Cache

Board: Sam440ep-flex

I2C:   ready

DRAM:  1 GiB

PCI:   Bus Dev VenId DevId Class Int

        01  04  1013  6005  0401  00

        01  05  1033  0035  0c03  00

        01  05  1033  0035  0c03  00

        01  05  1033  00e0  0c03  00

        00  0a  12d8  8150  0604  00

        02  00  1002  67ff  0300  ff

        02  00  1002  aae0  0403  ff

        00  0c  12d8  e111  0604  00

        00  0e  1095  3114  0180  00

Net:   ppc_4xx_eth0, ppc_4xx_eth1

SM502: not found

PERMD2:not found

VGA:   OK

VESA:  OK

RadeonRX (2): Identified the chipset as: POLARIS11

RadeonRX (2): Graphics card name is: Radeon RX Polaris11

RadeonRX (2):     If - and only if - your card does not work or does not work optimally

    please submit a bug report at:

    http://www.amiga.org/developer/bugreports 

    Remember to include the driver version, and the following card details:

    0x67FF:0x1462:0x8A91: <name of board>

    and *please* describe the problems you are seeing in detail.

graphics.library PPC440ep optimizations enabled

RadeonRX (5): findRXCard called

RadeonRX (5): Card 0 (0): 0x1002, 0x67FF, Radeon RX Polaris11, supported, active

RadeonRX (5): Found supported card

RadeonRX (5): initRXCard called

RadeonRX (5): Initializing card

RadeonRX (2): Obtaining ITimer interface

RadeonRX (2): Got ITimer interface

RadeonRX (2): Returning from LibOpen().

RadeonRX (0): RadeonRX.chip 2.12 (24.8.2022)

RadeonRX (6): <rxOpen>

RadeonRX (4): CPU cache line length: 32

RadeonRX (4): PCI device is a graphics card.

RadeonRX (2): Identified the chipset as: POLARIS11

RadeonRX (2): Graphics card name is: Radeon RX Polaris11

RadeonRX (2):     If - and only if - your card does not work or does not work optimally

    please submit a bug report at:

    http://www.amiga.org/developer/bugreports 

    Remember to include the driver version, and the following card details:

    0x67FF:0x1462:0x8A91: <name of board>

    and *please* describe the problems you are seeing in detail.

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_DEVICE_ID: 0xE111

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_VENDOR_ID: 0x12D8

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_STATUS: RadeonRX (5): ECP enable, RadeonRX (5): 66 MHz capable, RadeonRX (5): Fast back-to-back capable, RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): DEVSEL# timing 1, RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): 

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_COMMAND: RadeonRX (5): I/O space enabled, RadeonRX (5): Mem space enabled, RadeonRX (5): Bus master enabled, RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): 

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_CLASS: 0x60400

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_REVISION_ID: 0x2

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_HEADER_TYPE: 0x1

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_LATENCY_TIMER: 128

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_CACHE_LINE_SIZE: 32

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_SEC_LATENCY_TIMER: 0

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_PRIMARY_BUS: 0

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_SECONDARY_BUS: 2

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_SUBORDINATE_BUS: 2

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_SEC_STATUS: RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): DEVSEL# timing 0, RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): Received master abort, RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): 

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_IO_BASE (full): 0x1000

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_IO_LIMIT (full): 0x1FFF

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_MEMORY_BASE (full): 0xA0100000

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_MEMORY_LIMIT (full): 0xC02FFFFF

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_PREF(ETCH)_MEMORY_BASE (full): 0xB0000000

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_PREF(ETCH)_MEMORY_LIMIT (full): 0xC01FFFFF

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_BRIDGE_CONTROL: RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): VGA enable, RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): 

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): PCI_INTERRUPT_PIN: 0x1

RadeonRX (2): Cannot enable blind prefetch for PCI:0.12,0, because this device doesn't support it.

RadeonRX (5): RadeonRX (5): Cannot print bridge configuration for PCI:0.0,0, because it is not a bridge device.

RadeonRX (2): Cannot enable blind prefetch for PCI:0.0,0, because this device doesn't support it.

RadeonRX (4): Obtaining memory and I/O addresses and sizes

RadeonRX (4): Video RAM at: 0xB0000000, size is 268435456 bytes

RadeonRX (4): Graphics card MMIO range at: 0x0xC0200000, size is 262144 bytes

RadeonRX (4): Graphics card doorbell range at: 0x0xC0000000, size is 2097152 bytes

RadeonRX (1): drm_mode_create_standard_properties unimplemented

RadeonRX (0): System doesn't have full memory coherence. Compensating...

RadeonRX (6): <rxEarlyInit>

RadeonRX (6): add ip block number 0 <vi_common>

RadeonRX (6): add ip block number 1 <gmc_v8_0>

RadeonRX (6): add ip block number 2 <tonga_ih>

RadeonRX (6): add ip block number 3 <amdgpu_powerplay>

RadeonRX (6): add ip block number 4 <dce_v11_0>

RadeonRX (6): add ip block number 5 <gfx_v8_0>

RadeonRX (6): add ip block number 6 <uvd_v6_0>

RadeonRX (6): </amdgpu_device_parse_gpu_info_fw result="0x00000000">

RadeonRX (6): Early init of block <vi_common>

I also post it to bugtracker.

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sailor

Re: SAM440EP and RX550 gfx card

Posted on: 2/6 18:44 #6

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I tested just now.

Sam440ep-flex with latest UBoot 2015.d + 4.1FEu2 + MSI Gaming Radeon RX 560 AERO ITX 4GB

UBoot works with Polaris, graphicsc output is visible, can select kickstart, modules loaded
Then it hangs with "Loading done, launching kickstart"

Serial debug:


U-Boot 2015.d (Apr 07 2025 - 16:10:29)



CPU:   AMCC PowerPC 440EP Rev. C at 733.333 MHz (PLB=146 OPB=73 EBC=73 PCI=73 MHz)

       Bootstrap Option H - Boot ROM Location I2C (Addr 0x52)

       Internal PCI arbiter enabled, PCI async ext clock used

       32 kB I-Cache 32 kB D-Cache

Board: Sam440ep-flex

I2C:   ready

DRAM:  1 GiB

PCI:   Bus Dev VenId DevId Class Int

        01  04  1013  6005  0401  00

        01  05  1033  0035  0c03  00

        01  05  1033  0035  0c03  00

        01  05  1033  00e0  0c03  00

        00  0a  12d8  8150  0604  00

        02  00  1002  67ff  0300  ff

        02  00  1002  aae0  0403  ff

        00  0c  12d8  e111  0604  00

        00  0e  1095  3114  0180  00

Net:   ppc_4xx_eth0, ppc_4xx_eth1

SM502: not found

PERMD2:not found

VGA:   OK

VESA:  OK

RadeonRX (2): Identified the chipset as: POLARIS11

RadeonRX (2): Graphics card name is: Radeon RX Polaris11

RadeonRX (2):   If - and only if - your card does not work or does not work optimally

        please submit a bug report at:

        http://www.amiga.org/developer/bugreports

        Remember to include the driver version, and the following card details:

        0x67FF:0x1462:0x8A91: 

        and *please* describe the problems you are seeing in detail.

graphics.library PPC440ep optimizations enabled

RadeonRX (0): RadeonRX.chip 2.12 (24.8.2022)

RadeonRX (2): Identified the chipset as: POLARIS11

RadeonRX (2): Graphics card name is: Radeon RX Polaris11

RadeonRX (2):   If - and only if - your card does not work or does not work optimally

        please submit a bug report at:

        http://www.amiga.org/developer/bugreports

        Remember to include the driver version, and the following card details:

        0x67FF:0x1462:0x8A91: 

        and *please* describe the problems you are seeing in detail.

RadeonRX (0): System doesn't have full memory coherence. Compensating...

So, UBoot works very well, but probably RadeonRX driver has issues.

P.S: on weekend I will try with update 3 + RadeonRX.chip.debug

Edited by sailor on 2026/2/6 19:28:33

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sailor

Re: clean way howto use clib4

Posted on: 2/5 19:04 #7

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@afxgroup Quote:

afxgroup wrote:@sailor
clib4 is generic for all machines. There are no specific machines so if you want for example an optimized version compiled with -maltivec you need to compile it yourself using that switch.
But since we are creating libraries automatically also for SPE maybe we can also create the altivec version

It makes sense.
But what does it mean Quote:

Some functions like (memchr, memcmp, memcpy and some other) are optimized for SAM440 and SAM460

in clib4 readme.md?
Or it remains in readme from past?

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sailor

Re: AmigaOne 500/Sam 460 Graphics Card Question

Posted on: 2/5 16:40 #8

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@yogi32
I'm glad to hear that.
ACube is perfect in support of theirs computers - even Sam440 from 2007 can natively boot from NVME becouse of ACube´s firmware updates.

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sailor

Re: SAM440EP and RX550 gfx card

Posted on: 2/3 17:35 #9

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@Chris
Quote:

Just out of curiousity, with a 33MHz PCI slot, are there are graphics cards that are worthwhile?

I have also mini-ITX Sam440ep and I have it without PCI card.
If you look to this article - see block diagram.

Generally, all cards mentioned in Sam440ep-flex gfx card article incl. your RX550 probably will work. Only they will be slow.
If you check block diagram - internal Radeon M9 is on 66 MHz PCI bus, but external PCI slot is behind the PCI bridge on 33 MHz bus.
Real measured speed on my Sam440ep:
internal M9: CopyToVRAM 40 MB/s, WritePixelArray 87 MB/s
PCI 9200 SE: CopyToVRAM 18 MB/s, WritePixelArray 60 MB/s
PCIe cards like RX550 will be even slower becouse of PCI-PCIe bridge latency.

So you can use RX550, but in practice all Warp3DNova or OGLES application will be terribly slow.

Only good reason why to use external card is, as joerg said, if you need more VRAM. For example, in article is screenshot with SysMon/System and in bottom you can see Radeon 9200 SE 128MB connected ( via PCI-AGP adapter ).

Edited by sailor on 2026/2/3 18:02:35

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Re: clean way howto use clib4

Posted on: 2/3 14:23 #10

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I read readme.md and found some interesting info:
Quote:

Optimized AMCC functions
Some functions like (memchr, memcmp, memcpy and some other) are optimized for SAM440 and SAM460. Feel free to add other CPU versions.

Altivec
libmotovec has been added to clib4 and enable some altivec functions. Altivec optimizations are not enabled at program start except if you recompile clib4 with ENABLE_ALTIVEC_AT_START.
However two new methods (enableAltivec and disableAltivec) are present and you can use them to enable or disable optimizations at runtime.
Keep in mind that clib4 is not compiled with altivec optimizations for all files.

SPE
libcfsl_e500 (thanks to wayback machine..) has been added to clib4 providing some optimized functions. To compile e500 functions pass SPE=true at makefile.
However to compile these functions you need a compiler that supports SPE ABI. The latest gcc version that supports SPE is gcc8.

Please, what does it mean exactly? How I activate this optimizations when I use clib4? Or is this text valid only to clib4 devolopers ?
I normally only set -mcpu, -mspe or -maltivec... gcc parameters.

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sailor

Re: SAM440EP and RX550 gfx card

Posted on: 2/3 13:03 #11

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@Chris

if you have little Sam440ep, don't use this card. It works, but this Sam has only 33 MHz PCI slot, so it will be very slow.

if you have Sam440ep-flex, it can be good option.
Look into this article> Sam440ep-llex graphics cards.
Article is from 2021, when Polaris cards (like yours RX550) not worked in Sam440, but today they worked. Your RX550 will be faster than HD7750 in article.

You will need:
- PCI-PCIe adapter and powered PCIe riser
- new UBoot from ACube
- Enhancer 2.2 ( with RadeonHD and Warp3D Nova drivers )
- Optionally also NovaBridge for Warp3D compatibility.

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Re: clean way howto use clib4

Posted on: 2/3 9:52 #12

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@afxgroupQuote:

afxgroup wrote:@sailor
Take a look at spawnpe function. Most of the time you can replace fork with that. On git source code there is run-command/run-command-amiga where you can see how it is used. Also on cmake source code is used to spawn processes and communicate thru pipes

Regard fork/vfork at moment they are not implemented. Maybe one day..

Thak you, I will look at spawn. And fork/vfork is really not priority.

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Re: AmigaOS 4.1FE Update 3 - Bugs and Experience Report

Posted on: 2/3 7:24 #13

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I made clean installation of AmigaOS from scratch on my X1000.

Working order of instalation is:

AmigaOS 4.1.FE
AmigaOS 4.1.FE u1
AmigaOS 4.1.FE u2 w. hotfix
Enhancer 2.2
AmigaOS 4.1.FE u3

If I install Enhancer last, there are some problems and X1000 not boots. I am not investigated exact cause, but this order works.

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sailor

Re: clean way howto use clib4

Posted on: 2/3 7:17 #14

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@NinjaCyborgQuote:

NinjaCyborg wrote:no Amiga has ever supported fork()
Can you make it work with vfork() ?

MorphOS supports it

And vfork() also not supported in our clib4.

But if I know that, it is not big problem.
I will try to modify code with pthread_create().
Or I will compile only single-thread code for AmigaOS and both single-thread and multi-thread for MorphOS.

Thank you and @joerg for explanation.

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sailor

Re: clean way howto use clib4

Posted on: 2/2 18:45 #15

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I tried to compile the code:


for(cnt = 0; cnt < fproc; cnt++) fork();



    /* every process initialises itself and attaches the SHM segment to its

     * virtual memory space */

    mypid = getpid();

    shmid = shmget(shmkey, (sizeof(STL) << 11), 0666);

    shm = (UTL *) shmat(shmid, 0, 0);

I received warning during compilation with -mcpu=powerpc -mcrt=clib4 -O3:
warning: implicit declaration of function 'fork' [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
and error during linking with -mcrt=clib4 -lpthread:
undefined reference to `fork'

I am not found fork() in unistd.h
Is this function implemented?
And if not, can I use pthread_create instead? What should be workarounder in such case?

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sailor

Re: clean way howto use clib4

Posted on: 2/2 16:50 #16

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@afxgroup
many thanks, just downladed.

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sailor

clean way howto use clib4

Posted on: 2/2 10:45 #17

Quite a regular

Hi,
after ten years I reinstalled from scratch AmigaOS on X1000. Now I want to compile some code which using pthreads and ipc. Clib4 has it.

And I want to ask, what is easiest or most (system) friendly way to install latest clib4.

I found:
- SDK addon from walkero
- apt-os4 from afxgroup
- clib4 from walkero, afxgroup and elfpipe

Thank you all for your work! And please, can you advice me what package is most convenient to future upgrades ?

And, howto use clib4 correctly? With -mcrt=clib4? Is it enough, or something else should be done?

Many thanks!!

Edited by sailor on 2026/2/2 13:33:20

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sailor

Re: Introducing Gabrielle - Xena

Posted on: 2/1 9:55 #18

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I reinstalled my X1000 to clean AOS4.1FE-u3. New installation after ten years.

And finally tested Gabrielle and XTools. Thank you very much @jaokim!


Read: 00c6

PCB ver: 0020

test16: dead

test8:  ad

test16: 4

test16: 4

test8:  cc

Read: 00c6

Xena memory space is already setup for XCTL reg

FALSE:MEMATTRF_WRITETHROUGH 

TRUE: MEMATTRF_CACHEINHIBIT 

TRUE:  MEMATTRF_SUPER_RW 

TRUE: MEMATTRF_SUPER_RW_USER_RW 

FALSE:MEMATTRF_NOT_MAPPED 

FALSE:MEMATTRF_SUPER_RO_USER_RO 

FALSE:MEMATTRF_REFERENCED 

FALSE:MEMATTRF_SUPER_RO_USER_RO 

FALSE:MEMATTRF_EXECUTE  

FALSE:MEMATTRF_RESERVED1  

FALSE:MEMATTRF_RESERVED2  

FALSE:MEMATTRF_RESERVER3  

Xorro card present  : no

SSwitch version     : 1.0

Mode pins [1:0]     : 11

Links               : 4

Cores               : 1

XMOS links          : 8

PLL ctrl            : 0x01001700

Oscillator    (OSC) : 25

Multiplier      (F) : 23

Input divider   (R) : 0

Output divider (OD) : 2

SSwitch div         : 0

Ref clk divider     : 3

Calculate speed:    : (OSC/2) * F+1 / OD+1

Running speed       : 100 MHz

It seems good!

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sailor

Re: AmigaOS 4.1FE Update 3 - Bugs and Experience Report

Posted on: 1/24 10:50 #19

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@MazinKaesarQuote:

MazinKaesar wrote:@MazinKaesar

I solved my network issue with help from guys from Hyperion forums.

I run the command c:CheckRoadshowConfig VERBOSE and this was the output:

New Shell process 7 7.OS41:> C:CheckRoadshowConfig VERBOSE C:CheckRoadshowConfig: Duplicate service name "kshell/544/tcp"; see line 217 of file "DEVS:Internet/services". C:CheckRoadshowConfig: Duplicate service name "ekshell/545/tcp"; see line 218 of file "DEVS:Internet/services". C:CheckRoadshowConfig: Duplicate service name "kerberos-adm/749/tcp"; see line 220 of file "DEVS:Internet/services". C:CheckRoadshowConfig: Duplicate service name "kerberos-iv/750/udp"; see line 221 of file "DEVS:Internet/services". C:CheckRoadshowConfig: Duplicate service name "kerberos-iv/750/tcp"; see line 222 of file "DEVS:Internet/services". C:CheckRoadshowConfig: Duplicate service name "kerberos_master/751/udp"; see line 223 of file "DEVS:Internet/services". C:CheckRoadshowConfig: Duplicate service name "kerberos_master/751/tcp"; see line 224 of file "DEVS:Internet/services". C:CheckRoadshowConfig: Duplicate service name "krb_prop/754/tcp"; see line 225 of file "DEVS:Internet/services". C:CheckRoadshowConfig: Duplicate service name "kpop/1109/tcp"; see line 227 of file "DEVS:Internet/services". C:CheckRoadshowConfig: Duplicate service name "eklogin/2105/tcp"; see line 228 of file "DEVS:Internet/services". C:CheckRoadshowConfig: Duplicate service name "rkinit/2108/tcp"; see line 229 of file "DEVS:Internet/services". C:CheckRoadshowConfig: Duplicate service name "kx/2111/tcp"; see line 230 of file "DEVS:Internet/services". C:CheckRoadshowConfig: Duplicate service name "kip/2112/tcp"; see line 231 of file "DEVS:Internet/services". C:CheckRoadshowConfig: Duplicate service name "kauth/2120/tcp"; see line 232 of file "DEVS:Internet/services". You may have to update or repair your Roadshow configuration files.

I removed all the duplicate entris in DEVS:Internet/service file and after a restart all seems working fine.

Thank you, exactly same issue on my Pegasos 2.

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@yogi32
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