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Re: Bug-fix updates for Odyssey?
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@Gregor
in what circumstances the erros occur?
I am using the latest version form os4depot: Odyssey 1.23 r5 ( thx @kas1e ).

I have no freezes after long use, tested on multiple AOS4 machines.
I have no special settings and I am not using youtube.js or any other custom script.

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: About off topic news on Amigans
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@AMIGASYSTEM
I'm sorry we're arguing about this again.
AmigaOS4 and AmigaOS3 only are really in the rules, not Aros or MorphOS. I think it is normal to respect that.
On the other hand, maybe it was enough not to publish more similar posts and not to delete all old ones.

It's a shame that people can't agree on unpleasant things in peace.
We should try it...

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: X1000 and interleaved memory controllers
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@geennaam

thanks for explanation. I corrected my understanding of controller interleaving.

But still remains question, why on PA-6T interleaved controllers speeds up write operations and not read operations.

Do you have any idea? One think is that can be caused by used benchmark...

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: X1000 and interleaved memory controllers
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@AlfredOne
Interesting reading, thanks for sharing results!

It is nice, that interleaving works with PA-Semi CPU.
You are using modules with more ranks, and controller always interleaves the ranks, and in case of use two channels it interleaves also channels.

I think, that rank interleaving is something like: one rank can be accessed and second is refreshed in the same time - i.e. it looks like you not need refreshing cycle.
What is for me interesting, that there are no any additional increase with read operations with dualchannel ( channel interleave ), only with write operations. I thought, that channel interleaving works like: I have two 64-bit channels, which operates like one 128-bit channel...

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: X1000 and interleaved memory controllers
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@AlfredOne

pls, read this: x5000 benchmarks / speed up

it looks like memory benchmarks are a little more complex

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: X1000 and interleaved memory controllers
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@AlfredOne
your output states, that RAM module are interleaved.
So I have no other clue

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: X1000 and interleaved memory controllers
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@drHirudoQuote:
drHirudo wrote:There were rumours about RAM: driver utilizing memory beyond 2 GB on AmigaOS 4 for RAM Disk: storage, hence the reason I still keep 8 GB in my X1000 since summer 2020. Now almost 4 years later, still no public available driver yet.


RAM above 2GB should be use like Extended memory: Breaking the Memory Barrier

It means, that program have to be coded with this feature. Like Rave for example.
Rave from Daniel Jedlička is only program I know that use this. Maybe there are some more...

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: X1000 and interleaved memory controllers
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@AlfredOne

At first you have to be sure you use modules with exactly the same geometry ( size, speed, latency, rows...). The best way is to buy 2x2GB kit for dual channel. If you have different geometry, interleaving / dual channel not works.

If you use equal RAM modules, and still there is no speed increase, try to test speed with linux. For example Fienix is very easy to install on X1000 ( https://forum.hyperion-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=4908 )

You can also try modules in DIMM2 and DIMM4 slots

And you can look on CFE, if there is some clue ( for example show dramcfg or similar command or serial debug ).

I can check it with my X1000, but not now - I have many unfinished project with other AmigaNG
But I have to say, that memory controller of PA-Semi CPU is not ideal - for example I cannot found any combination with all 4 modules.

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: AmiUpdate 2.50
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@Maijestro
- downgrade to version 2.47 works
- upgrade to 2.50 works also ( should be done via "use this server for self-upgrade" in amiupdate.net preferences, upgrade via upgrade window not works)
- application library has warning window:
application has opened version 2 of the interface "application"but try to pass version 1 tag definitions to application.lib


but it works now - thanks for workaround

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: AmiUpdate 2.50
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Just now I tested this on fresh Sam460le AOS4.1fe upd2 installation:

AmiUpdate: 2.49 - 2.1.2022
Updates (prefs): 53.8 - 8.1.2013
AmiSSL I updated manually to last os4depot version
Manually created Sitelist ( the same like I have on other machines )

- Updates prefs allways crash when I save changes - with DSI in module newlib.library.kmod
- but preferences should be edited manually in envarc:sys/update.prefs
- and cannot update AmiUpdate to ver.2.5, like Maijestro reported

so there are at least two issues - missing file ( or wrong connection, etc..) and crashing preferences

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: Sam460LE 1.10 Ghz Pre-Order!
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Please, which PCIe sound cards for Sam460le are compatible both with AmigaOS and MorphOS?
On compatibility pages I found only this: Envy24HT PCIe

Unfortunatelly is very hard to found one. Yes, I can use different cards for testing, the same way like with graphics cards. Maybe I can use PCI catd with PCIe-PCI bridge or PCIe switch, but the best will be one PCIe.

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: Astromenace - AmigaOne X5K Game - Amiga OS 4.1
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After reading the last Amigafuture, I had to try Astromenace game.
It is nice, with great sound:

My computers sorted here acc play speed:

1. X1000 + HD7970 - 1080/32, highest details, perfectly playable: 51-21 FPS
2. Pegasos 2 / 1.33 GHz + MorphOS + Radeon 9800 Pro, 1080/32, highest details: playable 18.7-15.3 FPS, for perfect play is needed to reduce details a little bit
3. Mac Mini / 1.833 GHz + MorphOS + Radeon 9200, 1080/32, highest details: nearly playable 18.3-14 FPS, but not smooth, for perfect play is needed to reduce details a little more

Pegasos 2 not tested under AmigaOS, used gfx card has no hw accel with AmigaOS 4.

The rest are unplayable, results are with low details:
4-5. Sam440ep-flex / 733 MHz + R9 270X, 9.0-4.4 FPS
4-5. AmigaOne XE / 1400 MHz + Radeon 9000 Pro, 5.7 FPS stable
6. Sam 440ep / 666 MHz ) + Radeon M9, 6.8 - 3.0 FPS

With this game better graphics card counts: Pegasos 2 / 1.3 outperforms Mac Mini / 1.83 and Sam440ep-flex / 733 is equal with XE / 1400.

Nice game, thanks to BSzili, Beworld, Sinan Gurkan and others!

Edit:
Micro A1-C: not works
Powermac G5 Quad not tested yet, I have cooling issues.
And thx @AmigaSociety for video


Edited by sailor on 2024/1/29 16:28:51
AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: What RX card do you use, and what is your experience with it?
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@geennaamQuote:
geennaam wrote:X5000 + Sapphire Radeon RX580 Nitro+ 8GB

Works like a charm and is much faster then a RX560.

It's not really loud. At least I can hardly hear it when my tower is closed. Have it always on high power.


Many thanks for sharing. I just ordered this exact type on ebay.

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: Best way to clone HDD?
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@geennaam
I am using this boot scheme a long time.

On Pegasos 2 I have:
- Internal IDE: CFCard, SFS/FFS partition with /Kickstart directory + amigaboot.of ( and also boot.img for MorphOS and kernels for linux )
- PCI SATA SSD - everything other, ie. SYS:, Work: ...

only I have to synchronize /Kickstart directories on CF and SYS: - it can be made by link or by copying of kickstart modules.

This is universal solution for all hw platforms, where firmware not supported boot from newer devices or filesystems, but operating system does. Pegasos cannot boot from PCI SATA.
I am using it also on AmigaOne XE / Micro, which can theoretically boot from PCI SATA, but sometimes it has isuues.

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: Upgrade X1000 to RX560 or not?
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@imagodespira

yes, you are right.

X1000 can normally play 720p with sw decoding, depending on codec with 70-100% CPU utilization.
X1000 + Radeon v.5 + UVD hw decoding plays 720p with cca 10% CPU utilization.

And majority of FullHD (1080p) is unplayable even with UVD. Only few videos are OK - sorry, I am not remember the codecs.

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: Upgrade X1000 to RX560 or not?
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@imagodespiraQuote:
imagodespira wrote:Emotion playback:

X1000 + RX550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa4sE2DcUdg

X1000 + R750X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHowHS3hnWA

Frank is using his X1000 with the RX550 and it works fine.
I would miss the warm start of AmigaOS, so i currently use my RadeonHD 7750 (with the older driver, because warm start is missing in newer drivers?).

But Frank reported no problems with this RX card to me.


These two videos are a little bit confusing for video performance comparison.
Both RX and R7 should play video with with hw acceleration - UVD/VAAPI. But video with R7 has no active hw acceleration, it has software decoding only.

I have X1000 with HD7970 and hardware accelerated Emotion works fine here. But I have to say, while you can use RX+UVD with Enhancer only, for HD ( and R7/R9 ) you need Enhancer plus new RadeonHD v.5.

But overall, I agree than RX card are more powerful than HD/R7/R9.

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: Who is getting the A1222 Plus?
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@ferrelsQuote:
ferrels wrote:@flash

You better hang on to your PegII as it will most likely outperform the A1222+ by a wide margin.


Pegasos 2 is my first and still most loved AmigaNG.
His CPU power is still very good, especially my G4 1.33 GHz overclocked version.

But it is old machine today - only IDE or PCI/SATA 150 disks, in most cases only 1 GB DDR RAM and especially old graphics card ( Radeon 9000 Pro for AmigaOS 4, Radeon 9800 Pro for MorphOS and linux ) on PCI 66 MHz bus.
And yes, Pegasos has Altivec and ppc FPU, A1222 not.

A1222+ can use much more modern Polaris cards, has hw accelerated video and can use Warp3DNova and OGLES2. Pegasos not. All this new graphics stack made by Hans and others is big step forward. So if you need modern games ( kas1e made many nice ports ) and watch HD video, A1222 is far better.

And even Sam440ep-flex is much better computer with Radeon SI card + Warp3D Nova compares to his default configuration with PCI Radeon 9250. You can even play there Doom3 from HunoPPC


Edited by sailor on 2023/12/12 7:38:21
Edited by sailor on 2023/12/12 11:04:36
AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: Who is getting the A1222 Plus?
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@outlawal2

I cannot second your experience.

I am participant of early adopter and I had AAA package. At November 20th I received email from Laurent with the same offer like bigmac wrote here.

We exchanged several emails, communication was fine and I completed the order.


Edited by sailor on 2023/12/11 18:20:32
AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: x1000 documentation and other x1000 related questions
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@Raziel

from cfe point of view it is port 0.0 and port 0.1
from Nemo manual point of view it is port 0 and port 2

i.e.
0.0 = port 0 on motherboard, 0.1 = port 2 on motherboard

AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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Re: x1000 documentation and other x1000 related questions
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if you have DVD connected to SATA port 2 ( i.e. factory default ), the command should be:

boot -fs=iso atapi0.1:amigaboot.of

X1000 can boot only from SATA ports 0 and 2.


Edited by sailor on 2023/12/9 16:30:48
AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOne X1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook, Mac Mini, iMac, Powermac Quad
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