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Re: Amy Motherboard Sneak Peak
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@tonyw

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No one seems to have commented on the colour of the bedclothes.


No, but somebody got close:

http://tinyurl.com/aen5ww

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Re: Amy Motherboard Sneak Peak
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@Troika


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If we obtain the poll info and user feedback then any bashing is worth it. Sides trolls will be around no matter what right?


But if so many people think you are full of it how can you expect to get valid results from any poll?

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Re: ACK proven untrustworthy
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@Ferry

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What "lie" are you referring to exactly?


"..., because I am not sure if such a potentially volatile topic would be allowed here .", topics deleted just at will, censorship, blah, blah, blah... I think it's related only to posting rules, nothing else.

Some seem to find some kind of strange fun in repeating over and over that their posts will be deleted, that there is some kind of censorship here, when it's just that those garbage threads seen in other forums are not allowed here. I think points 5 and 6 of TOS are quite explicit about this, and IIRC that's the reason this website was created.

If you want to post what you think can be problematic, ask moderators first, or simply post it and wait for a reaction from mods, but don't post it saying "Hey, I post it but I think it could be deleted for being problematic", such statements spread, IMHO, a dark cloud over the site, a cloud of inexistent censorship.

Saluditos,

Ferr?n.


The Statement of Intent being blank, but being refered to as important to know what is ok to post as per the TOS is problematic, like it or not. One of my first posts here was in regard to an EFIKA I bought. I did not know much at the time about red vs. blue history, aw.net issues that lead to amigans.net formation etc. Instead I got a terse note saying my thread was killed for TOS violation. There was no TOS violation as its written. To me in hindsight especially it was that it was apparently not in the spirit of the blank Statement of Intent for which some members here take for granted to know what its ideology is even though its not written down for all members to see. Perhaps if someone were to start writing that Statement of Intent it would help with what you characterize as a misconception of some about this board?

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Re: ACK proven untrustworthy
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@Ferry

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@ssolie

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The broken record is really getting tiresome.


Ditto. A lie repeated over and over doesn't make a truth.

Saluditos,

Ferr?n.


What "lie" are you referring to exactly?

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@Billsey

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@Helge

You, and possibly many others, are forgetting something: Bill McEwen had left all of this behind. But the one who is talented enough in business matters to have been the financial steward for George Soros asked him to come back and run the company again. Now, if some here would take off their hate-colored glasses and take another look at the facts, that really should open some eyes.


Kouri doing work for Soros at one time says nothing to any of us about what the man's business morals or ethics are, nor what McEwen's are. Nor does it divine what role Amiga Inc. takes in the larger Kouri family of companies.

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@Billsey

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So, as long as the misplaced revenge you and others here seek is exacted on someone, you really don't care what kind of cretin the exposing instrument actually is, do you?

All Rich Woods does is embarrasses people and causes them harm. He doesn't actually end up doing any good for anyone because no good ever comes out of it. And no, revenge is not something good. He's not trying to do good for anyone, but only digging up dirt on people and exposing it—to no good purpose at all. He might think of himself as some sort of arbiter of good and evil, but until he digs into his own past and publicly exposes his own dirt for all to see I will not be a fan of his.

As to whether he is this other entity's puppet, I think it is quite likely that, wittingly or otherwise, he is doing that other entity's bidding quite nicely.

And yes, that other entity has been under multiple corporate identities. I can count at least three—and that is just off the top of my head.



You play a game by dropping hints at someone being responsible but will not name them. This can lead to gossip and conjecture pointing to the wrong party. Thats assuming you have any proof on which party orchestrated this as you seem to be saying. Since this can harm an innocent party with your gossip please do the right thing and name who you would accuse or drop it. Thats the right thing to do.

I don't seek revenge on anyone. You wish to spout such for what appears to be some odd blind devotion to Amiga Inc. Amiga has a history of troubles their potential business partner deserved to know. They found out and stuck by the deal in the end anyway. Amiga at the bottom line in the end was the only one trying to alter the deal. Their word was not their bond.

The point with Rich Woods is that he is an individual who did what he did and made no bones about it. He is upfront at what he did , plain and simple. He is not playing the cloak and dagger game you are using this as an opportunity for, in some apparant crusade on your part to deal a blow to who you view to be enemies of Amiga Inc. or something.

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@Billsey

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Who was it that was behind first, ?partnering? with Amiga even up to the point of taking their money?then doing no work; then later, under different corporate identity, causing Amiga lots and lots of trouble that was not only unnecessary, but also unfounded, both publicly and financially, therefore being the prime mover in causing Amiga's troubles, and are they also linked to the revelations of late? If so, were their motives really ?truth? (HAH! Yeah, right!!), or just to cause Amiga more trouble and embarrassment?


In what way has this entity been "linked to the revelations of late"? By whom? By you? If not by you how do you know its even true?

Are you publicly accusing Thendic/Genesi or publicly accusing someone else?

Rich Woods has been pretty public that he contacted Kent and the media. But that person I'm not aware of having multiple corporate identities.

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@Billsey

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@fairlanefastbck

We also don't know why Amiga let it go. Kent changed their demands after reporters started crowing about past difficulties. It has been at least strongly implied that someone on another Amiga-related site deliberately put those journalists onto AI's past troubles. We don't know the motives behind that either. In the end, Kent reacted to incomplete reporting by upping the ante, and Amiga reacted to Kent's actions by bowing out (rather poorly, mind you), but Kent is not entirely innocent there.

Atheist's posting seemed related, not to the Kent deal, but to his displeasure over the lawsuits between AI and Hyperion. In fact, it seemed almost vengeful in tone, which would be inappropriate given that we still do not know what or who precipitated the need for law suits in the first place.


Kent's only demand change they removed when Amiga resisted. When the demand to pay early was removed the original deal was then what they were working with again. That deal was fine by Amiga when they entered it and they were obligated to make good on the original deal. Also Bill McEwen himself originally indicated in a Kent Reporter article that they would meet the early demand anyway! :(

The demand to pay early is entirely understandable given what came to light, not just the past troubles, but the current office being two people strewn with cardboard boxes and old equipment etc.

What was incomplete about the reporting in your view? If you read the articles (did you read them all ?) there was also Kent finding out about the technology advertising demand from Amiga from a news reporter rather than Amiga contacting Kent directly. The only demands left on the table after the orginal agreement were Amiga's, #1 we want to pay less than agreed upfront. #2, we must approve any technology advertiser of any type.

Kent's mistake was a lack of due diligence in the face of a recommendation that came from the Thunderbirds on Amiga's behalf. They lacked responsibility to their citizens to protect the interests of the city IMO but in regard to Amiga itself they did nothing wrong that I can see.

As for a person on another board, the original press conference was sprinkled with some very important mis-representations IMO (Amiga is the 3rd most recognized brand in Europe for one). Bill backpeddled under reporter pressure later. But the person(s) who clued in the media to this did a service to truth in general IMO.

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@Billsey

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By losing the naming rights Amiga has already received their due.

I mean really! Such hatred over a situation that you obviously don't know much about!


You assume they ever planned to follow through #1. Thats unclear.

Beyond that state funding was approved after the bolstering news that Amiga was going to provide $10 million total. And the city was relying on these funds and now will have to cover the difference.

Atheist may not say things nicely in regard to this, but Kent certainly seems to be the victim here and the one worthy of sympathy IMO.

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@Billsey

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Actually, If I'm not mistaken, it is a typical bone of contention in such things, as those who have named the venue don't want their direct competitors advertising in "their space", so to speak (after all, they did pay for it, in their view). As I remember, the only contention on that issue was how much control Amiga would have had.


According to the city not only did Amiga try to reduce the intial payment on the agreement they had but also tried to then have veto power on any technology related advertiser, competitor or no. These were late additional demands to pay less than promised and to have this broad reaching control. I.E. They'd be able to veto NEC monitor ads, HP printer ads and the like if they had had their way. And it was quite late in the game to all of a sudden come up with these desired changes. It seemed hardly fair to do to Kent.

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@ssolie

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Billsey does raise an interesting point and Amiga Inc. hardly needs any help failing. I think questioning the motives and actions behind those involved is quite appropriate.


Perhaps it interesting to do so for the sake of it. But my point is that the fact is Kent was willing to go through with the deal until the very end despite what anyone said at any time, it dosen't matter what Rich Woods emailed them, it dosen't matter what queries the media made, what they published. None of it changed the fact that Kent stuck by trying to honor the deal until the end and that the only thing that blew the deal was Amiga not providing the promised money and Amiga trying to alter the advertising requirements. Kent may have huffed and puffed a but, asking for money early, telling the press they were upset, but they only did that once they found out new Amiga contract requirements from the press instead of Amiga itself.

So since it had no impact there is no point in blaming it. And besides it was probably the morally right thing to do anyway. Does anyone really think the press exagerrated in what they independently reported? Even if given places to look by sources its still only them writing what was there.

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@Billsey

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Whenever he tries to succeed, this person is there to stamp it out, as though it were a fire threatening their interests..


The deal was not stamped out by what anyone said but what Amiga did, which was not pay.

So you were not merely commenting on the motivations of those that let the media in on publicly available info. And besides, if Kent had done due diligence it would have been found out anyway. Either way its not what killed the deal. Not paying is all that it came down to in the end, something totally and solely controlled by Amiga.

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@Billsey

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Given the timing of the revelations (to the media, not to us) of past troubles, I am wondering who it was that tapped brunner on the shoulder and whispered in that ear, ?Hey! I got some juicy dirt for ya!? I can only imagine that it is someone who hates Amiga and wants them to fail; and since they likely have zero exposure to those who actually own Amiga, it must be someone who hates Bill McEwen, and who has the media's ear.

I wonder who that could be.

So the saga of hateful obsession goes on. Whenever he tries to succeed, this person is there to stamp it out, as though it were a fire threatening their interests.


Nice try. You leave out a couple of important facts. First that Kent was totally willing to still go through with the deal despite all the bad press. All they cared about was if Amiga could pay. They tried to get the money early and when Amiga refused they let it go to the original promised timing. The only thing that blew this deal was Amiga not paying. They even let Amiga negotiate down from the original $5 million intial payment to $2.5 million.

http://tinyurl.com/3d99aq

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Amiga in Kent latest news
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Kent officials lose patience with Amiga
Seattle Times 7/25

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html ... 3804624_kentarena25m.html


Naming rights at stake for Kent's arena
Puget Sound Business Journal (Seattle) - July 13, 2007

http://tinyurl.com/232m6n

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Re: Amiga Center at Kent
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@all

New article (6/6)

"City of Kent waits for word on Amiga’s payment"

http://www.kentreporter.com/jumpstory ... ry=news2&pubdate=6/6/2007


Other recent articles:

Seattle Times article:

"Kent arena's new benefactor has history of troubles"

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html ... 3712151_kentarena18m.html


earlier Kent Reporter article:

"Amiga: We are good for the money"

http://tinyurl.com/22pb9h

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Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?
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@MikeB

Thumbs up. We need more platforms.

As to your charts, we are way past "launch" time. XBox 360 is the machine with the games on the shelves here in the US and the system people are talking about.

That said though I'd buy a PS3 to be my Amiga.

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Re: Amiga: I don't know what to think anymore!!
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@Mikey_C
Not related to the court case...

Start a new thread in "Too hot to Handle' if you want to discuss the Cit of Kent topic thanks.


Edited by ssolie on 2007/5/31 18:04:13
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Re: CLASSIC AMIGA USERS - The advert you been waiting for.
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The ad looks sweet, its nicely done and professional looking. I sure hope this gets released!

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Re: The Amiga Platform - A laughing stock?
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@Mikey_C

Not looking so good. If they don't settle the case soon, it will be worse.

There could be more to come if they don't produce the machines they are now talking about and if that Kent arena thing starts construction I sure hope they will have the money available that they have promised in that naming deal thing.

Here for hoping for the best!

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Re: How interested in the PS3 for OS4 are you?
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@MikeB

Well I definately give a thumbs up on OS 4.0 on PS3 conceptually. It would make me more likely to buy a PS3 and Amiga and Hyperion would be able to ride off the back of a pre-existing mass produced platform then which would be good for gaining new users.

That said I have high hopes that Samantha will be a platform as well.

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