Do somebody know, if RadeonHD v5 for Sam460 is still available?

I tried to purchase it from Amistore application ( on Sam ), I can select it and put in shopping bag.
But if I go to shopping bag, it is empty.

Pls, any help...

I want to make some tests with my Sam460LE.

Now I am testing Sam460LE and I tried also Doom3

Sam460LE 1.14 GHz + RX580:
800x600, all advanced options disabled, ARB renderer = 8.0 FPS

Not too much. Any idea howto optimize .cfg?

@AmigaOldskooler
Get three kids, two dogs and two cats and your patience will increase to black belt

If you survive long enough )
But for me it works.

@Cool_amigaN

I succesfully tested geennaam's setup with Sam440ep-flex. Here is ( Czech ) article about it.

But if you have Sam440ep ( Mini-ITX, with Radeon M9/9000 ) I cannot recommend this setup.
In this article in paragraph 4.4 I described experiences with PCI graphics card.
In one sentence - it works, but is very slow, becouse external card is in the 33 MHz PCI bus.
Internal card ( and card in Sam440ep-flex ) is on 66 MHz PCI bus.

@Gregor
in what circumstances the erros occur?
I am using the latest version form os4depot: Odyssey 1.23 r5 ( thx @kas1e ).

I have no freezes after long use, tested on multiple AOS4 machines.
I have no special settings and I am not using youtube.js or any other custom script.

@AMIGASYSTEM
I'm sorry we're arguing about this again.
AmigaOS4 and AmigaOS3 only are really in the rules, not Aros or MorphOS. I think it is normal to respect that.
On the other hand, maybe it was enough not to publish more similar posts and not to delete all old ones.

It's a shame that people can't agree on unpleasant things in peace.
We should try it...

@geennaam

thanks for explanation. I corrected my understanding of controller interleaving.

But still remains question, why on PA-6T interleaved controllers speeds up write operations and not read operations.

Do you have any idea? One think is that can be caused by used benchmark...

@AlfredOne
Interesting reading, thanks for sharing results!

It is nice, that interleaving works with PA-Semi CPU.
You are using modules with more ranks, and controller always interleaves the ranks, and in case of use two channels it interleaves also channels.

I think, that rank interleaving is something like: one rank can be accessed and second is refreshed in the same time - i.e. it looks like you not need refreshing cycle.
What is for me interesting, that there are no any additional increase with read operations with dualchannel ( channel interleave ), only with write operations. I thought, that channel interleaving works like: I have two 64-bit channels, which operates like one 128-bit channel...

@AlfredOne

pls, read this: x5000 benchmarks / speed up

it looks like memory benchmarks are a little more complex

@AlfredOne
your output states, that RAM module are interleaved.
So I have no other clue

@drHirudoQuote:

RAM above 2GB should be use like Extended memory: Breaking the Memory Barrier

It means, that program have to be coded with this feature. Like Rave for example.
Rave from Daniel Jedlička is only program I know that use this. Maybe there are some more...

@AlfredOne

At first you have to be sure you use modules with exactly the same geometry ( size, speed, latency, rows...). The best way is to buy 2x2GB kit for dual channel. If you have different geometry, interleaving / dual channel not works.

If you use equal RAM modules, and still there is no speed increase, try to test speed with linux. For example Fienix is very easy to install on X1000 ( https://forum.hyperion-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=4908 )

You can also try modules in DIMM2 and DIMM4 slots

And you can look on CFE, if there is some clue ( for example show dramcfg or similar command or serial debug ).

I can check it with my X1000, but not now - I have many unfinished project with other AmigaNG
But I have to say, that memory controller of PA-Semi CPU is not ideal - for example I cannot found any combination with all 4 modules.

@Maijestro
- downgrade to version 2.47 works
- upgrade to 2.50 works also ( should be done via "use this server for self-upgrade" in amiupdate.net preferences, upgrade via upgrade window not works)
- application library has warning window:


but it works now - thanks for workaround

Just now I tested this on fresh Sam460le AOS4.1fe upd2 installation:

AmiUpdate: 2.49 - 2.1.2022
Updates (prefs): 53.8 - 8.1.2013
AmiSSL I updated manually to last os4depot version
Manually created Sitelist ( the same like I have on other machines )

- Updates prefs allways crash when I save changes - with DSI in module newlib.library.kmod
- but preferences should be edited manually in envarc:sys/update.prefs
- and cannot update AmiUpdate to ver.2.5, like Maijestro reported

so there are at least two issues - missing file ( or wrong connection, etc..) and crashing preferences

Please, which PCIe sound cards for Sam460le are compatible both with AmigaOS and MorphOS?
On compatibility pages I found only this: Envy24HT PCIe

Unfortunatelly is very hard to found one. Yes, I can use different cards for testing, the same way like with graphics cards. Maybe I can use PCI catd with PCIe-PCI bridge or PCIe switch, but the best will be one PCIe.

After reading the last Amigafuture, I had to try Astromenace game.
It is nice, with great sound:

My computers sorted here acc play speed:

1. X1000 + HD7970 - 1080/32, highest details, perfectly playable: 51-21 FPS
2. Pegasos 2 / 1.33 GHz + MorphOS + Radeon 9800 Pro, 1080/32, highest details: playable 18.7-15.3 FPS, for perfect play is needed to reduce details a little bit
3. Mac Mini / 1.833 GHz + MorphOS + Radeon 9200, 1080/32, highest details: nearly playable 18.3-14 FPS, but not smooth, for perfect play is needed to reduce details a little more

Pegasos 2 not tested under AmigaOS, used gfx card has no hw accel with AmigaOS 4.

The rest are unplayable, results are with low details:
4-5. Sam440ep-flex / 733 MHz + R9 270X, 9.0-4.4 FPS
4-5. AmigaOne XE / 1400 MHz + Radeon 9000 Pro, 5.7 FPS stable
6. Sam 440ep / 666 MHz ) + Radeon M9, 6.8 - 3.0 FPS

With this game better graphics card counts: Pegasos 2 / 1.3 outperforms Mac Mini / 1.83 and Sam440ep-flex / 733 is equal with XE / 1400.

Nice game, thanks to BSzili, Beworld, Sinan Gurkan and others!

Edit:
Micro A1-C: not works
Powermac G5 Quad not tested yet, I have cooling issues.
And thx @AmigaSociety for video

@geennaamQuote:

Many thanks for sharing. I just ordered this exact type on ebay.

@geennaam
I am using this boot scheme a long time.

On Pegasos 2 I have:
- Internal IDE: CFCard, SFS/FFS partition with /Kickstart directory + amigaboot.of ( and also boot.img for MorphOS and kernels for linux )
- PCI SATA SSD - everything other, ie. SYS:, Work: ...

only I have to synchronize /Kickstart directories on CF and SYS: - it can be made by link or by copying of kickstart modules.

This is universal solution for all hw platforms, where firmware not supported boot from newer devices or filesystems, but operating system does. Pegasos cannot boot from PCI SATA.
I am using it also on AmigaOne XE / Micro, which can theoretically boot from PCI SATA, but sometimes it has isuues.

@imagodespira

yes, you are right.

X1000 can normally play 720p with sw decoding, depending on codec with 70-100% CPU utilization.
X1000 + Radeon v.5 + UVD hw decoding plays 720p with cca 10% CPU utilization.

And majority of FullHD (1080p) is unplayable even with UVD. Only few videos are OK - sorry, I am not remember the codecs.

@imagodespiraQuote:

These two videos are a little bit confusing for video performance comparison.
Both RX and R7 should play video with with hw acceleration - UVD/VAAPI. But video with R7 has no active hw acceleration, it has software decoding only.

I have X1000 with HD7970 and hardware accelerated Emotion works fine here. But I have to say, while you can use RX+UVD with Enhancer only, for HD ( and R7/R9 ) you need Enhancer plus new RadeonHD v.5.

But overall, I agree than RX card are more powerful than HD/R7/R9.