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Double-clicking in DOpus5
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I have an ingrained habit of double-clicking file names in certain kinds of lists and requesters, including DM2 (which I am rapidly weaning myself from, although I have it set up to do a number of things that I can't do with DOpus listers yet, such as make a selected file disappear forever when I hit the "Del" key; in DOpus, I get a "List Format" requester which I haven't bothered to figure out yet).

The problem is, if I double-click on listers in Name mode, only PDF files open. Other files open AmiPDF and give an error message ("Not PDF file"). Well, I'm gradually learning to use RMB and select what I want to use, but it's still kind of annoying. Is it this way for everyone, or have I got something set up wrong?

In Icon mode and Icon action mode, text files open as expected when double-clicked. Jpeg and IFF files also open properly (AVI, MP4, .wmv, etc., have "unknown data types"). PostScript (but not .fw.PS), and HTML open as text. I suspect I will soon a way to fix that, and I'm not asking for help. But I am wondering about the Play button in the tool button row of listers in Name mode. Nothing plays here, although some message flashes on my screen too fast to read.

I was pleasantly surprised to find that double clicking on a Final Writer file icon opens Final Writer, to a blank window. In this, DiskMaster is up by two points; it opens the selected file, not just the editor, and it does it by name, not icon. But I set that up myself, and DOpus just works that way on its own!

Another thing similar to that: if I right-click an .html file and choose Open with > Odyssey, Odyssey opens, but not to any URL.

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DOpus5 beginner problem #8: button bank placement
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I have all my icons coming up where I want them (better than I ever got around to in Workbench, for that matter), and I'm getting listers under control. But I am annoyed that I can't make button bank "Vertical" come up anywhere but screen center, where it soon gets covered by things I am working on. I find nothing in the manuals or the button editor that hints at how I might, say, have it come up below Limpid Clock on the right side of my screen.

It's not really a big deal to move it there after launching, so I won't cry if there is no way to fix this. I'm really learning to appreciate DOpus, especially while editing a couple dozen poorly written HTML files over the last two days. Before it would have been a matter of switching among three screens; Workbench, to check results with Odyssey; DM2 to pick the next file to edit; MEmacs to edit. I still like MEmacs, on its own screen, but it is so nice to have the listers and Odyssey all up front! (Maybe I should try to learn NotePad and have everything on the same screen...)


Edited by kilaueabart on 2014/7/23 8:29:31
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Re: Queries continue
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@Severin

I failed to click Submit yesterday.

I had the idea I will soon learn to do button banks for a lot of things. Mine won't be as pretty as yours, probably. And I appreciate learning that even a staunch DOpus5 WBR user keeps amidock. But I am already finding it easier to launch Odyssey, etc., with hotkeys than by docky; I wonder if a button would be any easier than docky?

I'll have lots more stuff that fits "Queries continue," but I think it makes more sense to start new threads with more meaningful subjects and shorter scroll downs, so that's where you'll see me next.

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Re: Queries continue
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I had a chance to try DOpus5 screen-hiding and clicking on the docky bar both today; CPU was running 33~35% when the screen came on. Neither of those worked, so I did a warm reboot. I wonder why Snoopy doesn't indicate any activity when the CPU is goofing off so much?

I've set up a couple of hot keys to launch YAM and Odyssey, usually the first things I do when I start the computer. First experiment on getting along without the docky. But I'm curious whether that is the sort of thing experienced DOpus users do?

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Re: Queries continue
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@Severin

Thanks.

Interesting and slightly puzzling. I was happy to find the Show Workbench left-outs in the Environment setting early on. Now I realize that I should have just left them out all over again (at least until I figure out other quick ways to get to them). The ones I wanted to put away are now gone, and the ones I wanted out are out. I'm not sure why they're not now gone as well but I won't fight it.

I look forward to trying the Hide thing on the CPU the next time it gets busy for no reason. I'll try Niels' click-in-docky suggestion too. But I imagine I'll be replacing the docky with Buttons once I get the hang of setting them up.

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Queries continue
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I'm not sure I'm really using DOPus the way it is intended; it looks a lot like my Workbench did, except a bit neater. For one thing, I still have the dockies row, and find it much easier to launch things like YAM and Odyssey that way so far, but will continue to experiment.

One of two new questions has to do with my screen being neater. I ended up with a bunch of leave-outs from Workbench, and unable to control where they are going to appear, I want to put them away. So I do, either from RMB or Put Away (RA^P) in the Icons menu. But they alway come back when I reboot.

P. 34 of DOpus582.pdf tries to help by telling me:

"To remove the left-out from the main window, choose Put Away
from the RMB popup menu. This will not delete the command
itself; you must delete it manually from the DOpus5:Commands
directory if you want to get rid of it permanently."

I might do that, but as far as I can tell, there is no such thing as DOpus5:Commands.

Second, more minor question: is there anything like Workbench's "Reset Workbench" in DOpus? Too frequently CPUInfo will tell me that the CPU is working like crazy, even though I am not running anything. In fact, it sometimes happens right at boot-up. With Workbench I found that I could just click Reset Workbench and take the load off the CPU. So far with DOpus5 the only thing I can do is a warm reboot and hope for the best.

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Re: Queries begin
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@328gts

Thanks, I'll do that.

"Bounty" is the word I couldn't think of this time. I'm really starting to have trouble with words. And I won't even be Old for another year and two days.

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Re: PageStream via DOpus5
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I found another way to run PageStream5.

I can still run DM2, and if I do so, and select the PageStream5 executable and then click Run Selected in the Launch menu, up comes the application just as it used to when I clicked the Workbench icon.

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Queries begin
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I've gotten through DOpus55.pdf pretty well, and skimmed DOpus582.pdf. I will be spending a lot of time on Chapter 13 in the former, and I have printed out the indices of both documents so that I can look things up before bothering people here.

Two questions today, that have no obvious answers in those sources.

1. I was very happy to see, reading the first, that there was an "Abort" command, except that I could not find it in the lister or any description of the lister commands I get. It isn't mentioned in the later document, and I suspect it has been eliminated. Right?

2. If OS4.2 ever "is ready" (I think it was included in my purchase of the X1000), will DOpus5 still work?

Let me say that I am absolutely delighted with it as a Workbench replacement, and can't imagine that I would ever want to go back (not that I wasn't delighted with Workbench when it was my only option). I feel rather guilty about having got it for free. Maybe if I had tried harder to appreciate DOpus4 I might have been inclined to contribute to its development. Is there any way to make up for that? (Oops, a third query.)

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Re: PageStream via DOpus5
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@nbache
Scary because the only previous time I had seen it dip when loading PgS was when it was about to conk out. Dipping and recovering is a new phenom here; I always watch CPUInfo when it is launching -- when the solid part gets to the "100%" in the upper left corner, I know the PgS screen is about to appear -- and I've only seen that dip twice when it wasn't about to crash, two of the last three successful launches.

@Trixie
I seem to recall a time when I had to -- or thought I had to -- launch from CLI, but I had been doing it from Workbench icon for over three years at least. Even from the DOpus WBR screen, it gets more than half-way there before it dies.

Granted, it isn't the most stable program in the world. Sometimes it crashes the machine when I ask Open Recent. When I reboot, I start a new file first, and then Open Recent. That always seems to work.

Computers is weird.

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Re: PageStream via DOpus5
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@Severin

I wasn't sure exactly what you mean, but I tried running it from a shell:

6.System:> run Apps:pgs5058/pagestream5

and it came up! Thanks for the hint. There was one scary dip in CPU usage, but it recovered immediately.

It is strange that 68K PageStream 5.0.5.8 Pro works rather well on my machines (starting with the original AmigaOne and OS4.1 ver 6, the SAM, and the X1000) while many others seem to have problems with it, but I'm secretly glad it isn't the other way around.

4.1.4.6 (?) stopped working; probably problems with assigns that I was too dumb/lazy to fix.

Again, thanks.

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PageStream via DOpus5
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I wasn't going to bother this forum until I had finished the manual(s), but I have encountered a very serious problem.

I gave up Workbench entirely, and now boot only DOpus. In a way, I'm cheating, because it looks very much like Workbench, especially since I found out how to get my WB Leave-outs to come on the DOpus screen. (What a mess; I'm going to do a lot of reconfiguration as soon as I have a good grip on what I'm doing.)

But... I have been using PageStream 5.0.5.8 Pro for several years to do some small but essential tasks. I have not been able to launch it under DOpus5. CPUInfo indicates 95~100% for about 15 seconds, then stops, CPU usage dropping to 5~15% range.

Three attempts have produced exactly the same 2,344 line debug file, ending with

FT_Done_Face calling
FT_Done_Face returned
fontpath_update done

What I assume conks it out is the following task(s), which in an un-crashed debug file would be

initapprsrc name:en_US theme:<NULL>
oldsyskey2newsyskey oldkey:29 -> 80000029
oldsyskey2newsyskey oldkey:28 -> 80000028
oldsyskey2newsyskey oldkey:28 -> 80000028
oldsyskey2newsyskey oldkey:20 -> 80000020
oldsyskey2newsyskey oldkey:21 -> 80000021
oldsyskey2newsyskey oldkey:22 -> 80000022
oldsyskey2newsyskey oldkey:23 -> 80000023
oldsyskey2newsyskey oldkey:21 -> 80000021
oldsyskey2newsyskey oldkey:24 -> 80000024
initapprsrc name:en_US theme:<NULL>
execute macro OPEN Apps:pgs5058/Documents/chuteclimb.pgs STATUS
Mnew_picture notifyhandle:0
Mset_pictureattr #1 notifyhandle:0
Mset_pictureattr #2 notifyhandle:0
Mset_pictureattr #1 notifyhandle:0
Mset_pictureattr #2 notifyhandle:0
Mset_pictureattr #1 notifyhandle:0
Mset_pictureattr #2 notifyhandle:0
Mset_pictureattr #1 notifyhandle:0
Mset_pictureattr MOD_FileInfo #1 notifyhandle:0
Mset_pictureattr MOD_FileInfo #2 file:bartssite:barts15/albums/waimea/catchute/panorama.JPG
Mset_pictureattr MOD_FileInfo #3 notifyhandle:0
Mset_pictureattr MOD_FileInfo #4 notifyhandle:0 file:bartssite:barts15/albums/waimea/catchute/panorama.JPG
Mset_pictureattr MOD_ModuleName #1 notifyhandle:0 modulename:(len:4) JPEG
Mset_pictureattr MOD_ModuleName #2 notifyhandle:0
Mset_pictureattr #2 notifyhandle:0
Mnew_bm
Mnew_bm obhandle:585C4DC0 pbmhandle:585C42E8 bmhandle:585C5140
Mget_bmattrA pbmhandle:585C42E8 bmhandle:585C5140
Mget_bmattrA done
loaded_PICTURE (!external) notifyhandle:0
execute macro DISPLAY OFFSET -3.2162i -5.8401i

etc.

Are there any clues here? Are other WBR DOpus users able to run PageStream properly? Am I going to have to practice switching C:LoadWB-old and LoadWB back and forth from their other identities?

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Re: Thank Whoever for recovery disks!
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@Severin

No, I had display set to Radeon HD 5:1680x1050 ARGB32, something I had done trying to get rid of the tiled screen. I just now changed to "Use,"
saved, and suddenly I have only one screen, sort or a DOpus5/WB hybrid. Thank you! I think I'm in business!

By the way, I think "Whoever" is A-Eon Technology.

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Thank Whoever for recovery disks!
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I'm very happy to see this new forum. I'll probably be bothering it a lot, but I will try to get through the manual once before posting again.

Yesterday I renamed C:LoadWB to LoadWB-old, moved a copy of LoadDB in and renamed it appropriately. Rebooted, and up came DOpus5 just as I had hoped and assumed. But there was also an alert, informing me that DOpus5 seemed to be running already, and advising me not to run it again. I naturally took the advice, but I was/am puzzled why it thought I wanted to run it a second time.

Then I remembered (maybe, remembering is not one of my surviving talents) that going through Epsilon's writeups on DOpus5, I had added a DOpus5: assign to User-startup. Today I changed it to ";assign [etc.]" and rebooted. Permanent black "Amiga OS4.1" screen!

Thank Whoever for recovery disks!

I removed the semi-colon and rebooted and there was that nice DOpus screen again. But something is different. L-Amiga^N got me to a Workbench screen, sort of, with the alert about not running a second instance of DOpus, which I of course canceled. Now all I have to do is figure out why Workbench still (sort of) comes up, as the main (L-A^N) screen, and why it has my dockies, diskLED, CPUInfo, and LimpidClock still on it.

I think I can probably figure that out myself. Tomorrow.


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Re: DOpus5 gripes
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@Severin

Whee! So many things one can do if only one knows how.

I used a backdrop that was already the right size, instead of stretching. And then I found out that I had never changed the background when I switched to a wide-screen monitor. Apparently OS4 made the adjustment for me. I've changed it now and it's slightly different, with Boing ball right above the dockies instead of middle of screen. But maybe I'll start experimenting with other backdrops before it's too late. I suspect I could design my own (.png or .jpg doesn't matter?).

You won't be surprised to learn that Hiding DOpus worked, and I can blank the monitor with Shift^F2. But now I wonder: what would I do if I go DOpus whole hog? Oh, surprise! Shift^F2 just worked from there, while WB was still running in the background!

Thanks. No doubt I'll be back...

Kilaueabart
A1000 -> A2000 --> AOne XE --> (SAM460ex) & AmigaOne X1000 --> AmigaOne X5000
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DOpus5 gripes
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This kind of thing really belongs in a DOpus forum, but I can't find one that has been touched in the last year and a half.

I see on Epsilon's blog on the subject that he has been able to get a screen-size picture for wallpaper. But it's not clear (to me) how he did it.

I would be very happy with a background screen that looked like my Workbench screen, but what I get is an ugly tiled background made of small versions of that. I had big hopes of finding out how to fix it in the manual, Chapter 7, The Environment Editor, Display Mode or Display Options, but no soap. I am seriously considering using DOpus as a WB replacement, but not if it is going to look like that!

An minor apparent glitch: if I'm going to be away from the computer for a while, I Shift^F2 to blank the screen. But if DOpus is running on its own screen, behind Workbench, the monitor only stays blanked for a few seconds, so I need to quit DOpus first. At least it reloads very quickly when I come back.

Kilaueabart
A1000 -> A2000 --> AOne XE --> (SAM460ex) & AmigaOne X1000 --> AmigaOne X5000
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Re: DOpus5 frustration
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@Severin
Wow, great!

I suppose I would have found that in the manuals sooner or later?

Sooner much better. Thanks.

Now I still have to figure out that double click problem, but not essential after all, since there are readily available options.

Kilaueabart
A1000 -> A2000 --> AOne XE --> (SAM460ex) & AmigaOne X1000 --> AmigaOne X5000
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Re: DOpus5 frustration
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@Epsilon
A big help!
I could guess a lot of them, and should have guessed "copy (all)" and "move (all)," but the great idea of "Copy as" was totally new to me and the six after "Delete" had me stumped entirely. (I'm too dumb to remember C:Copy X to Y! )

I suppose I should have trusted DOpus not to do anything bad without warning me and gone ahead and tested those, but I was chicken.

I did some of the things you suggest as I went through your blog, but not all. The result is that Workbench wants me to assign DOpus (easy enough) and some of the programs I call from DOpus still open on Workbench. But I can imagine going whole hog in the near future.

Kilaueabart
A1000 -> A2000 --> AOne XE --> (SAM460ex) & AmigaOne X1000 --> AmigaOne X5000
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Re: DOpus5 frustration
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@Severin

I had %PDF, just "misspoke."

I spent some time following Epsilon's blog suggestions on setting DOpus up, but still have frustrations.

#1. There is a row of icons at the top of file lists. Totally different from the ones shown in the documents (e.g. p. 37 of DOpus55.pdf). Epsilon offers no hints. Some of them are obvious, but what is a safe way of finding out what the less obvious ones are supposed to do? E.g., one of them is supposed to abort an action; might that be the red arrow? Right-clicking on the green arrow makes it look like the green arrow + pencil to the right. Is that redundant?

#2. Everything I try to double-click on still tries to open as PDF. Do I need to set up a double-click ASCII file Filetype somehow? How?

Meanwhile, I see that I can right-click on ASCII files and read with Multiview, so this is not a crippling problem.

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Re: DOpus5 frustration
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@Severin

I probably wasn't clear. The three lines in the window proper are the same as yours,

Match %pdf
Or
Match Name *.pdf

If I select any of those three lines, "Match," "Or," or "Match Name" show up in the requester below them, But your picture has "Name" with nothing selected. That's what puzzled me.

Now that the manuals come up on DOpus proper, I have been experimenting, but it looks like I have to do a lot of reading. I found a section that tells about all kinds of neat commands, but still haven't found anything that tells how to invoke them, if they don't happen to be in that column of buttons.

It'll be fun. Thanks again.

Kilaueabart
A1000 -> A2000 --> AOne XE --> (SAM460ex) & AmigaOne X1000 --> AmigaOne X5000
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