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Re: "A Tale of Two Amigas" or...
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@Helge

Having been involved with an insurance inspired court case in the past (as a kid I got hit by a car and didn't get the court-ordered compensation until I was 20 or something), I speak from experience when I say that even corporately minor things like multiple broken bones can take years.

Imagine what that means when multiple teams of corporate lawyers get involved.

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Re: Genesi officially lost Amiga license Aug 1st
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@ssolie

You're forgetting something: Only Amiga, Inc. is ever capable of doing anything wrong, and if someone does anything against Amiga, Inc. their motives and actions are immediately and permanently excused because only Amiga, Inc. is ever capable of doing anything wrong.

Smiley not forgotten.

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@Helge

You, and possibly many others, are forgetting something: Bill McEwen had left all of this behind. But the one who is talented enough in business matters to have been the financial steward for George Soros asked him to come back and run the company again. Now, if some here would take off their hate-colored glasses and take another look at the facts, that really should open some eyes.

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@fairlanefastbck

So, as long as the misplaced revenge you and others here seek is exacted on someone, you really don't care what kind of cretin the exposing instrument actually is, do you?

All Rich Woods does is embarrasses people and causes them harm. He doesn't actually end up doing any good for anyone because no good ever comes out of it. And no, revenge is not something good. He's not trying to do good for anyone, but only digging up dirt on people and exposing it?to no good purpose at all. He might think of himself as some sort of arbiter of good and evil, but until he digs into his own past and publicly exposes his own dirt for all to see I will not be a fan of his.

As to whether he is this other entity's puppet, I think it is quite likely that, wittingly or otherwise, he is doing that other entity's bidding quite nicely.

And yes, that other entity has been under multiple corporate identities. I can count at least three?and that is just off the top of my head.

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@fairlanefastbck

Who was it that was behind first, ?partnering? with Amiga even up to the point of taking their money?then doing no work; then later, under different corporate identity, causing Amiga lots and lots of trouble that was not only unnecessary, but also unfounded, both publicly and financially, therefore being the prime mover in causing Amiga's troubles, and are they also linked to the revelations of late? If so, were their motives really ?truth? (HAH! Yeah, right!!), or just to cause Amiga more trouble and embarrassment?

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@fairlanefastbck

We also don't know why Amiga let it go. Kent changed their demands after reporters started crowing about past difficulties. It has been at least strongly implied that someone on another Amiga-related site deliberately put those journalists onto AI's past troubles. We don't know the motives behind that either. In the end, Kent reacted to incomplete reporting by upping the ante, and Amiga reacted to Kent's actions by bowing out (rather poorly, mind you), but Kent is not entirely innocent there.

Atheist's posting seemed related, not to the Kent deal, but to his displeasure over the lawsuits between AI and Hyperion. In fact, it seemed almost vengeful in tone, which would be inappropriate given that we still do not know what or who precipitated the need for law suits in the first place.

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Re: "A Tale of Two Amigas" or...
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@Atheist

The document can be found at Justia, along with some very interesting documents attempting to document the transfer of trademarks, etc. between the various corporations involved.

I don't have in front of me the document you mentioned, so this is sort of off the cuff, but some state office in Washington made some sort of declaration (I think involving the active state of the corporation) regarding Amiga, Inc. Washington, and the corporation apparently has 5 years to get things straightened out to have the declaration removed. I do not think that those 5 years are up yet. In order to get a better answer, you really do need to read the documents for yourself (it's a bit tangled to this middle-aged brain).

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@Atheist



By losing the naming rights Amiga has already received their due.

I mean really! Such hatred over a situation that you obviously don't know much about!

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Re: Have the Wheels Fallen Off? (AId vs. HE)
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@Atheist

Lots of filings, but no court date; just motions, replies to motions, replies to replies to motions, and a couple of declarations, and a proposed order.

No court dates, though.

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@JeffShepherd

Actually, If I'm not mistaken, it is a typical bone of contention in such things, as those who have named the venue don't want their direct competitors advertising in "their space", so to speak (after all, they did pay for it, in their view). As I remember, the only contention on that issue was how much control Amiga would have had.

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Hey! Check This Out!
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A History of the Amiga, Part 1.

I wonder if Mr. Haynie is connected to this (or if he should be; note the first screen shot).

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@fairlanefastbck

I haven't left anything out. The facts of the matter are well known---all except the motivations of those who pointed brunner to those past difficulties, and it is those motivations that I am questioning. No thread needs every poster to re-invent the wheel in every post. The facts are well known. Failing to recount every juicy little tidbit does not equate to an attempt at cover-up---no matter how desparately some might wish that it did.

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Re: Amiga fails to deliver cash, loses naming rights to Kent arena
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@ChrisH

Given the timing of the revelations (to the media, not to us) of past troubles, I am wondering who it was that tapped brunner on the shoulder and whispered in that ear, ?Hey! I got some juicy dirt for ya!? I can only imagine that it is someone who hates Amiga and wants them to fail; and since they likely have zero exposure to those who actually own Amiga, it must be someone who hates Bill McEwen, and who has the media's ear.

I wonder who that could be.

So the saga of hateful obsession goes on. Whenever he tries to succeed, this person is there to stamp it out, as though it were a fire threatening their interests.

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Re: Just Bought me a Mac Mini 1.3 G4
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@acefnq

Just make sure you get X11 installed on it (it?s an optional package, so you have to install it yourself, from the install CD/DVDs) and get that wonderful X11 stuff going on it.

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A Totally Separate, yet Similar Suit
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I thought that readers might find this interesting.

It's not at all AvH, but there are similar charges being made.

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Re: Leaving?
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@Mikey_C

A good example of my attitude toward this is my PageStream licenses.

I have PageStream for Amiga (not used in a good while because of the state of my Amiga; of which, by the way, I am still awaiting advice on how best to emulate Amiga on the 1GHz Celeron that I just got); PageStream 4.1 Pro on my Mac 9600 (OS9), and am still awaiting PageStream Pro for my Mac G4 (OSX).

Just this morning, I upgraded my OS9 Mac License to PageStream5 Pro for i86 Linux (to use on the Celeron under Linux), and am awaiting the relevant information from Grasshopper so that I can download the package (and/or perhaps get a CD shipped).

In all this, however, there is still the Amiga License, waiting for a time when I can once again run Amiga software (thus the mention of waiting for that advice). There are no plans in my heart to leave the Amiga scene completely?especially not because of whatever the owners of the IP do to defend their property.

If you really do want to get rid of your A1, feel free to send it my way, then I'll see about getting it going on this home network.

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Re: Amiga v Hyperion Update
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Hyperion has filed their reply.

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Re: Leaving?
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@Mikey_C (and others)

Throwing a bit of a curve ball into the thread, yesterday I was gifted with a 1.0 GHz Celeron-based machine that has 256MB of RAM with an open slot, and a 30GB hard drive (I might add a larger one) as well as a 40x CD-RW (I confess that I did use the w98 on it to configure an Access Point that someone else had previously gifted me with). I plan to put Linux on that machine, but I also want to get a working "Amiga" going, so I have a point of discussion for everyone: Which would be better, hosted AROS, UAE/E-UAE, or Amiga Forever (My Amiga software and files would be getting restored from a single CD-R, since I don't have a SCSI controller on the machine; yes, I do still have the A1200's hard drives )?

OFF-TOPIC ASIDE:
I have begun a mirror for my Chats at bcnet-chats.podomatic.com

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Re: Leaving?
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@Mikey_C

Allow me to put this in a slightly different light:

A few are getting all in a sniff, determined to leave the scene in a huff, and why? Because the owner of the IP has determined to defend the IP (it doesn?t matter who wins the court case; either way, the owner of the IP is defending the IP).

Is that really the group you want to be counted with?

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Re: AmigaZ! Where for Art Thou?
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@tonyw

That error could be the result of me living in the 21st century instead of the 17th.

But I think the point was still taken accurately.

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