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Re: Would a UI library be useful ?
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@tonyw

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It seems to me that you are asking for a "skin" feature to be part of the OS, rather than unique to every application. It sounds like a good idea, but it would mean that (1) someone would have to write such a thing, which would probably take a dedicated team six months; and (2) every existing application would have to be re-written to take advantage of it.


1) It was written from 1992, it's MUI. MUI can be skinned, each application can have its skin;
2) All MUI applications take advance from it;
3) MUI has all modern features of a GUI like D&D, and you can have menu wherever you want:


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Re: BITbyBIT AVD
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@MoonSire

He has left Amiga world... it would be good if he releases source code of his programs...

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Re: Amiga Programming
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Re: Need a mungwall style utility for OS4.1
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@jahc

Test WookieChat on 4.0 or 3.9 because 4.1 with new memory system ignores your errors about memory allocations, but the same doesn't happen on mos and OS3

me too here MemGuard is unstable, in particular way when gcc compiles and writes on shell long lines...

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Re: Yet another OWB bookmarking tool
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@jahc

It's nice, but why OWB hasn't a way to insert a bookmark entry into a menu like IBrowse? Your bookmark manager seems good (better than others?), but without an access from menu to bookmarked links I find all these solutions useless... and shows OWB UI from middle '90 ages with many windows opened at the same time...

If Joerg has no time to make a similar bookmark it could give an ARexx way to add a menu to OWB as Workbench does...

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Re: Icon Wunschkonzert - AISS Edition
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@Mason

Mason I reopen this thread to tell you to paint a "find into files" image please

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Re: The MUI vs Reaction slapfest thread (was OWB 3.6)
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@xeron

Please open Sys:MUI/Docs/ChangeLog-OS4 and read this:

2005-12-17 Jens Langner <...>

* final OS4 relevant housekeeping of the MUI 3.9 sources as we will
concentrate on porting the MUI4 sources.


In any case, IMO who want use Reaction will always use Reaction, it's a choose...but who want use MUI should have latest MUI to use it on OS4, I'm not the only one who request MUI(4) on OS4, MUI is so request even by other many 3th parts devs...
In any case for my dev POV I will always use MUI3.8 API because I write portable sw... but if I want write a software only for OS4 and MOS I'd like to use MUI4 API...

And it was just figure out as MUI4 is useful to port MorphOS software to OS4 in easy way...

In other word, to have MUI4 on OS4 give only advantages for users and 3th parts devs...

DiscreetFX?has just write to Stephan Stunz:

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We offered to buy Stefan Stuntz Amiga OS 4.1 for his PegII but he said Hyperion should send it to him. The new Aladdin 4D uses MUI and we don't like the current situation of MUI 4.0 being on MorphOS but not OS 4.1.


So we want know if this AmigaOS4.1 for Pegasos is just sent to stunzi...


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Re: The MUI vs Reaction slapfest thread (was OWB 3.6)
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@joerg

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There are 2 more reasons why I'll never do anything with MUI on AmigaOS 4.x:
- To use MUI in AmigaOS 4.x software you first have to create an AmigaOS 4.x MUI SDK yourself, the existing one can only be used for compiling old AmigaOS 3.x sources (it only works when using -D__USE_INLINE__).


? As you can see in these sources I don't use __USE_INLINE__ and it works...:

http://shinkuro.altervista.org/ejectcdOS4.lha

P.S.: do you know a way to know the actual state of CD-Rom with trackdisk.device commands?

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- To create MUI custom classes you have to register MUI.


It's not true anymore, in fact you can read Zune documentation to take what values have to use with TAG_USER to create proper MUI custom classes. In any case I know stunzi gives you a sicure value for your attributes and methods if you want even if you are not registered...
In other words: "you can ask and they help you..."

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That's just another reason against using MUI or Zune: To be able to use tabs he had to create a new tab class, the ones of MUI and Zune don't support dynamically adding and removing tabs and therefore couldn't be used for OWB.
The AmigaOS 4.1 clicktab.gadget supports dynamically adding and removing tabs and I didn't have to implement my own one.


Again, it's a problem of MUI3.x, on MUI4 you can dinamically adding and removing tabs. In any case clicktab.gadget is not used on OS4.0 so I suppose this feature is reserved only for OS4.1 users, kicking off all AmigaOS4.0 users (classic users included). So even an external Reaction class would be preferred in this case.... but if you have to create an external class even on Reaction to give support to all OS4.x users, then you can use MUI

In any case, custom class of OWB AROS is now avaiable, so it's possible to use it...

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Re: Whats the reason for OWB reapers?
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@Fred

So no swap memory

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Re: Whats the reason for OWB reapers?
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@TSK

In fact I'd like to understand this :)

I've an A1 G4 800mhz with 256mb of ram...

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Re: Whats the reason for OWB reapers?
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@xeron

What programs are executing into your system while you use OWB?

Here:

-Samba;
-SMBFS;
-RAWBinfo;
-DefIcons;
-AISS;
-AmiDock;
-ContextMenu;
-Eastern;
-SetKeyAndMenu(Arexx script for WB port);
-ClickToFront;
-AutoUpdateWB;
-AsyncWB;

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Re: NoWinED 0.78 released
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@kas1e

Have you tried to control NoWinED from AmiDock?

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Re: NoWinED 0.78 released
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@kas1e

You can't resize NoWinED windows less of its toolbar, it would become useless...

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Re: Whats the reason for OWB reapers?
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@xeron

It's not how many memory allocations/deallocations are done, but if OS4 swap on disk /unswap from disk.. this is the main reason of my freeze... So problem is not OWB related but OS4 related...
This problem is shown on machines with few physical ram like 256mb or less, in fact with 512mb of ram you have less problems...

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UtilityBase hacked
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Hi,
I want noticed you utilitybase is hacked from some days, each way you open a link it opens before a check virus with UI of XP (form OS4.x, very ugly :D) written into javascript, this is so boried...

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Re: OWB 3.7
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Joerg I've again problem with bold fonts, it was disappeared setting right fonts as you told me, but now it's returned... on shell it seems doesn't miss any font...

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Re: Fundamentals of Reaction
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@Troels

Tad:

http://tadlabs.wordpress.com/

is working on translation, if you want give an hand please write to him ;)

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Re: Fundamentals of Reaction
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Re: The MUI vs Reaction slapfest thread (was OWB 3.6)
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@Troels

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My thoughts are that Reaction should be preferred for all new developments on AmigaOS4 as it is a part of the system supplied, supported and developed by Hyperion.
That MUI is currently available is a bonus for older applications and some ports.


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Just my thoughts and not anything to do with technical matters or what is best.


In fact, it should be, but it isn't (wookiechat, sabreMSN, Epistula, NoWinED, MUIBase, netmon, AmiReplace,MAutodoc, ZoomIT, AutoDocReader, etc...)...so why new 3rd part developers (even OS4 3rd part devs!) prefer to write new softwares with MUI instead of Reaction even if MUI is OEM while Reaction is full? Reply yourself to this question and you will have complete vision of situation of Reaction and why here we're discussing, this is enough intuitive even without any technical matters

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Re: The MUI vs Reaction slapfest thread (was OWB 3.6)
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@PEB

to reply to you and Chris, all program bigger than a prefs/utilities included into system (except things like AmiPDF or similar...) can be considered on Amiga "big"

pftp? yes, it is a new one.... but modern concept of UI? no it isn't for sure, when I've used it I feel like I was on GEM2, sorry

I would introduce you a couples of interesting articles about modern UI:

http://osnews.com/tag/Common+Usability+Terms

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/printer ... uibook/fog0000000249.html

Before to write a new software we (you?I've just done...) should read at least these... An integration of these articles with Amiga User Interface Style Guide could be good kind of know-how before to write new software...


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